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Sanity -> When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 6:15:53 AM)


Bring on the ad hominem fallacies, because you cant dispute the facts:

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ObamaCare fines loom for uninsured

People without insurance are running out of time to avoid the hefty ObamaCare penalties that the IRS will be handing down in 2016.

Consumers face a Feb. 15, 2015, deadline to buy insurance, after which those without coverage could be hit with fines of $325 per adult or 2 percent of family income, whichever is higher.

Uninsured people looking to escape the penalties are turning to the exchanges before they close, while insurance companies and tax preparers are seizing on the looming tax hit as a business opportunity.

One recent mass mailer from CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield obtained by The Hill warned potential customers in the Washington, D.C., region that going without health insurance coverage would come with a steep cost.

“When you don’t have health insurance ... you put your financial security at risk,” the mailer states. “That’s because under the new Affordable Care Act legislation, millions of Americans will have to pay an increased penalty tax of at least 2 percent of their income in 2015 if they go uninsured.”

The “good news,” the letter said, is that CareFirst BlueCross BlueShield has “solutions” to help people avoid the penalty, including coverage that is “compatible with financial assistance or free money from the government that will help qualifying individuals pay for insurance.”

The company declined to comment on the mailer...

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Under the second-year enrollment rules, families that forgo insurance could end up owing $1,000 or more.

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In promotional materials, H&R Block and Jackson Hewitt Tax Service say they can provide consumers relief, arguing that healthcare reform is making tax planning more difficult.

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Jackson Hewitt urges consumers to stop by one of its locations, promising that their employees “work harder to keep up with the latest tax law changes to protect you from possible penalties — not everyone else does.”

The marketing around the healthcare law is taking flight at a time when surveys show the public remains deeply confused about the mandate.

Almost half of U.S. adults are unaware they must report their health insurance status on their 2014 tax returns, according to a TurboTax survey released earlier this month.

And while about three in five uninsured people know the law penalizes people without coverage, nearly 90 percent do not realize the 2014 deadline has already passed.

As a result, experts are urging insurers and the federal government to do more to emphasize the mandate this enrollment period...



Mass confusion... Heavy handed enforcement... Unaffordable costs for crappy insurance that features astronomical deductibles... A huge windfall for the Democrats' big insurance lobbyist pets... Millions of families slapped in the face with huge tax bill /penalties right after Christmas...

Surprise! Happy Obamacare!

Remember your friends the Democrats at the voting booths in 2016!!!





Musicmystery -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 6:26:37 AM)

If you didn’t have coverage in 2014, you’ll pay the higher of these two amounts when you file your 2014 federal tax return:

* 1% of your yearly household income. (Only the amount of income above the tax filing threshold, about $10,000 for an individual, is used to calculate the penalty.) The maximum penalty is the national average premium for a bronze plan.

* $95 per person for the year ($47.50 per child under 18). The maximum penalty per family using this method is $285.

Neither "mass confusion" nor "unaffordable"

Meanwhile, the number of Americans without health insurance has been reduced by about 25 percent this year — or eight million to 11 million people.






thishereboi -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 6:32:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you didn’t have coverage in 2014, you’ll pay the higher of these two amounts when you file your 2014 federal tax return:

* 1% of your yearly household income. (Only the amount of income above the tax filing threshold, about $10,000 for an individual, is used to calculate the penalty.) The maximum penalty is the national average premium for a bronze plan.

* $95 per person for the year ($47.50 per child under 18). The maximum penalty per family using this method is $285.

Neither "mass confusion" nor "unaffordable"

Meanwhile, the number of Americans without health insurance has been reduced by about 25 percent this year — or eight million to 11 million people.






I have also heard that if you make below a certain amount you will be exempt from the fine. I guess it pays to be underemployed. You will still get your refund. Of course according to this http://nationalreport.net/2014-federal-tax-refunds-delayed-october-2015/ you won't get it till the end of the year but that's another thread.




Sanity -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 6:58:16 AM)


If they dont know about it and dont enlist by the mandatory date (which millions dont) they get a major tax penalty fine surprise, a fact that the government propagandists have not broadcast for political reasons






Sanity -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 7:00:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you didn’t have coverage in 2014, you’ll pay the higher of these two amounts when you file your 2014 federal tax return:

* 1% of your yearly household income. (Only the amount of income above the tax filing threshold, about $10,000 for an individual, is used to calculate the penalty.) The maximum penalty is the national average premium for a bronze plan.

* $95 per person for the year ($47.50 per child under 18). The maximum penalty per family using this method is $285.

Neither "mass confusion" nor "unaffordable"

Meanwhile, the number of Americans without health insurance has been reduced by about 25 percent this year — or eight million to 11 million people.






Yes MM, $1000 (1% of 10,000) is a lot of money for poor families and individuals

And your denial about the mass confusion doesnt make the problem go away

Thats not how things work

And if you force everyone to buy dog shit more people will also carry dogshit, I dont see what your point is in that




Lucylastic -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 7:08:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If they dont know about it and dont enlist by the mandatory date (which millions dont) they get a major tax penalty fine surprise, a fact that the government propagandists have not broadcast for political reasons




omg the lies
http://www.irs.gov/Affordable-Care-Act/Individuals-and-Families
http://www.irs.gov/Affordable-Care-Act

http://kff.org/infographic/the-requirement-to-buy-coverage-under-the-affordable-care-act/

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-mandate-exemption-penalty/

http://taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/acacalculator.cfm

https://www.healthcare.gov/fees-exemptions/fee-for-not-being-covered/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act




Sanity -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 7:17:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If they dont know about it and dont enlist by the mandatory date (which millions dont) they get a major tax penalty fine surprise, a fact that the government propagandists have not broadcast for political reasons




omg the lies
http://www.irs.gov/Affordable-Care-Act/Individuals-and-Families
http://www.irs.gov/Affordable-Care-Act

http://kff.org/infographic/the-requirement-to-buy-coverage-under-the-affordable-care-act/

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-mandate-exemption-penalty/

http://taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/acacalculator.cfm

https://www.healthcare.gov/fees-exemptions/fee-for-not-being-covered/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act



Youre just going to throw a bunch of links out, hoping no one clicks on the links? Because there are no lies. Most people are getting worse coverage for more money under Obamacare, there ARE substantial fines for failing to enlist, the deductibles for the high priced plans are astronomical in many cases... The tax penalty fine is real...

What exactly are you attempting to dispute if it isnt just your typical obfuscation





Musicmystery -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 7:18:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you didn’t have coverage in 2014, you’ll pay the higher of these two amounts when you file your 2014 federal tax return:

* 1% of your yearly household income. (Only the amount of income above the tax filing threshold, about $10,000 for an individual, is used to calculate the penalty.) The maximum penalty is the national average premium for a bronze plan.

* $95 per person for the year ($47.50 per child under 18). The maximum penalty per family using this method is $285.

Neither "mass confusion" nor "unaffordable"

Meanwhile, the number of Americans without health insurance has been reduced by about 25 percent this year — or eight million to 11 million people.






Yes MM, $1000 (1% of 10,000) is a lot of money for poor families and individuals



No, Tom, 1% of 10,000 is $100, not $1,000.




Lucylastic -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 7:22:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If they dont know about it and dont enlist by the mandatory date (which millions dont) they get a major tax penalty fine surprise, a fact that the government propagandists have not broadcast for political reasons




omg the lies
http://www.irs.gov/Affordable-Care-Act/Individuals-and-Families
http://www.irs.gov/Affordable-Care-Act

http://kff.org/infographic/the-requirement-to-buy-coverage-under-the-affordable-care-act/

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-mandate-exemption-penalty/

http://taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/acacalculator.cfm

https://www.healthcare.gov/fees-exemptions/fee-for-not-being-covered/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act



Youre just going to throw a bunch of links out, hoping no one clicks on the links? Because there are no lies. Most people are getting worse coverage for more money under Obamacare, there ARE substantial fines for failing to enlist, the deductibles for the high priced plans are astronomical in many cases... The tax penalty fine is real...

What exactly are you attempting to dispute if it isnt just your typical obfuscation



the information is there, you dont see it, thats YOUR problem and ODS
the links showed the information has been and is out there, for ANYONE to find.
the LIE you stated is a LIE
1% of ten thousand is a hundred,
fucking idiot




crazyml -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 7:22:43 AM)

Fuck me.... is there still time for you to edit this.

I mean... it really makes you look fucking stupid.




Lucylastic -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 7:23:29 AM)

he could try but screen caps are a bitch to argue with:)




Musicmystery -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 7:36:13 AM)

his main link is also erroneous, as it quotes the 2015 tax year information, not the 2014.




thishereboi -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 9:48:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

If you didn’t have coverage in 2014, you’ll pay the higher of these two amounts when you file your 2014 federal tax return:

* 1% of your yearly household income. (Only the amount of income above the tax filing threshold, about $10,000 for an individual, is used to calculate the penalty.) The maximum penalty is the national average premium for a bronze plan.

* $95 per person for the year ($47.50 per child under 18). The maximum penalty per family using this method is $285.

Neither "mass confusion" nor "unaffordable"

Meanwhile, the number of Americans without health insurance has been reduced by about 25 percent this year — or eight million to 11 million people.






I have also heard that if you make below a certain amount you will be exempt from the fine. I guess it pays to be underemployed. You will still get your refund. Of course according to this http://nationalreport.net/2014-federal-tax-refunds-delayed-october-2015/ you won't get it till the end of the year but that's another thread.



Ok ignore the link...total bullshit duh




thishereboi -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 9:52:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


If they dont know about it and dont enlist by the mandatory date (which millions dont) they get a major tax penalty fine surprise, a fact that the government propagandists have not broadcast for political reasons





If they went to the marketplace website, they know about it because they sent out emails saying you were exempt. If they don't then who ever processes the return at the other end will and won't apply the penalty.




DesideriScuri -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 3:00:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
his main link is also erroneous, as it quotes the 2015 tax year information, not the 2014.


It isn't necessarily erroneous. While it's not going to impact the amount of taxes you have to pay by 15 April 2015, those numbers listed sure strike me as the ones that will be for the 2015 income tax year.




Musicmystery -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 3:08:00 PM)

if it isn't Mr. Numbers. [8|]

Hey, why stop there? You could go with the 2017 figures, and beyond if you estimate inflation.

Make it extra scary. Insured people -- that's just creepy.




DesideriScuri -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 3:26:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
if it isn't Mr. Numbers. [8|]
Hey, why stop there? You could go with the 2017 figures, and beyond if you estimate inflation.
Make it extra scary. Insured people -- that's just creepy.


LOL! That "rebuttal" does not have anything to do with my post.

What part of my post was wrong?




Musicmystery -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 3:30:02 PM)

Hey! You can understand ridicule when you see it! Excellent!

That's progress.




DesideriScuri -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 3:59:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Hey! You can understand ridicule when you see it! Excellent!
That's progress.


Any chance you're actually going to rejoin the topic?




Sanity -> RE: When Obamacare Attacks (12/18/2014 5:30:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Fuck me.... is there still time for you to edit this.

I mean... it really makes you look fucking stupid.


Yeah that was stupid on my part

Blame it on the dental surgery meds

Long as you have an excuse its okay, right

Thats something my girl tries to get away with at least





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