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MrRodgers -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 1:04:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

According to TransCanada, the company behind the pipeline, the project is expected to create fewer than 2,000 temporary construction jobs for two years and just a handful of maintenance jobs after that. The exceptionally dirty oil that will be extracted from Alberta's tar sands and pumped through the pipeline will bring a lot of money to Canada and to multinational energy companies, but the oil itself will go to foreign countries, not to Americans.

these are facts that the "right" dont want americans to know
claiming it as a "jobs" bill is facetious but they are desperate.


Well yes and as likely...no. Exporting oil is prohibited under federal law. The only exception was one carved out for the 1%ers via the Alaskan pipeline for export to Japan. A pipeline which was similarly touted almost all of which...proved false.

Keystone is headed to a refinery in Houston so that the by-product of the oil, gasoline, diesel and others...will be exported. Which will serve to further entrench the US as the world's largest gasoline exporter. In fact, I read somewhere that there is so much crap in this black peanut butter, that real crude will need to be added before it arrives at its final destination for it...to be called oil.

The refinery destination is necessary over the Oklahoma refinery because Houston is in a special 'free market' zone also establishing that the rest of the country...isn't and as if just maybe we didn't know.

Thus, from there, all profits are...federal tax free. Isn't that precious ? OH...and the Koch bros. own 2 million acres on Canada, a great source of this tar shit. Just tells you the below...going from a combined net worth of $72 billion to $85 billion last year...just isn't enough.

Don't know why I have to keep telling you kinkroids but everything, but everything and I mean...everything in the US, is ALL about money. IT IS that simple.



DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 1:53:48 PM)

The curious thing is that it wasn't so long ago that tar sand oil was considered too poor quality to bother developing. Attitudes sure change when the gushers play out.
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Politesub53 -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 4:28:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

and dipshits using using dental meds as a poor reason/excuse for dicking up his own thread, and getting shit wrong, AGAIN helped make my entire week worthwhile..
thank you.


He must get through some dental meds as well, given the amount of times he puts his foot in his mouth.



Politesub53 -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 4:36:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

smiles dont make it a habit...


If theyre used as intended there is little danger

Down to Ibuprofen now anyway, fucking horse pill size and its working great

But thanks, I appreciate the concern



Ibuprofen isnt a pain killer....... Just sayin bro.



Sanity -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 5:11:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Ibuprofen isnt a pain killer....... Just sayin bro.


Its only in your vapid imagination that you know everything bra

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What is ibuprofen?

Ibuprofen is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). It works by reducing hormones that cause inflammation and pain in the body.

Ibuprofen is used to reduce fever and treat pain or inflammation caused by many conditions such as headache, toothache, back pain, arthritis, menstrual cramps, or minor injury.

Ibuprofen may also be used for purposes not listed in this medication guide.


In the real world you are an ignoramus who preaches ignorance



Politesub53 -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 5:29:24 PM)

Its an anti inflammatory bruv.



Sanity -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 5:50:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Its an anti inflammatory bruv.


Sure it is, thats used as a painkiller

It also reduces fever






thishereboi -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 7:07:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Its an anti inflammatory bruv.



That's right, it's an anti inflammatory that is used for pain or aka a pain killer.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/20/2014 9:55:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
The refinery destination is necessary over the Oklahoma refinery because Houston is in a special 'free market' zone also establishing that the rest of the country...isn't and as if just maybe we didn't know.


Didn't the State Dept's report show that the greatest capacity for more oil sands refining existed in the Gulf area, which was why KXL was heading there?



RottenJohnny -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 12:51:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
With the price of oil plummeting would the new Keystone Pl make sense in todays market?

Of course it does. How long do you really expect this dip in prices to last? Personally, I give it about one year at best before they must start going back up. Some analysts are saying just a few months. OPEC countries are already talking about cutting production to get the prices back up and countries like China and India still can't be anywhere near they're maximum consumption potential.



joether -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 2:25:10 AM)

Mike's original question is not being answered. By any of you.

There exist a number of possible futures:

A ) The price of gas on the market remains active but close to current unit price for 'X' time frame.

B ) The price decreases much further than the current level for 'X' time frame.

C ) The level of price will rise and lower, be it in quick slopes or gradual progressions over 'X' time.

D ) The price increases due to a number of factors (some of which exist outside of the the country) over 'X' time frame.

E ) An alternative idea is create which makes the original concept either obsolete or irrelevant.

Its hard to accurately predict which direction any of this goes. From a business stand point, it made sense to the entities involved from a profit level, in previous months/years. The view that price would increase with time, rather than decrease. Right now, it doesn't seem like a good business venture. But long term logistical planning is never for short term benefits. The assumption is prices will rise, and this pipeline will be profitable for the entities that control it.

But when asked "who will benefit from this idea"? is brought up, reality is much different from the fantasy pushed by Republicans (like just about any of their other past schemes that have failed). The pipeline as I understand, runs through a wide number of states. That it will generated a few thousand temporary jobs (3-6 months in length) and afterward be operated by only 0.5-1% of the temporary jobs. The pipeline material will benefit the entities involved, but not the nation itself. Yet, the nation incurs all of the risk. So it brings up a logical question: Why should the nation incur the grand majority of the possible risk with virtually no gain?

That's like saying "Go rob a bank for me, while I sit in my house and have total deniability if you get caught and jailed. I'll give a convenient excuse of no knowledge of the crazy plan, and you are truly off your rocker. But if you do succeed, I get 95% of the take." Does that sound like a good deal to make?

Historical record: Democrats did try to pass a bill in Congress that would have forced all the material being transported via the pipeline be used for US Consumption. The reason was simple: If the USA was incurring the risk, the USA should get the benefits. Republicans shot it down.




slvemike4u -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 6:03:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
With the price of oil plummeting would the new Keystone Pl make sense in todays market?

Of course it does. How long do you really expect this dip in prices to last? Personally, I give it about one year at best before they must start going back up. Some analysts are saying just a few months. OPEC countries are already talking about cutting production to get the prices back up and countries like China and India still can't be anywhere near they're maximum consumption potential.

Thats just it,for the price to go up ,production must go down.



DesideriScuri -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 7:24:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
With the price of oil plummeting would the new Keystone Pl make sense in todays market?

Of course it does. How long do you really expect this dip in prices to last? Personally, I give it about one year at best before they must start going back up. Some analysts are saying just a few months. OPEC countries are already talking about cutting production to get the prices back up and countries like China and India still can't be anywhere near they're maximum consumption potential.

Thats just it,for the price to go up ,production must go down.


Or, the average cost of getting the oil out of the ground must rise. There is only so much oil recoverable at $10, $20, $30, etc. cost. For more expensive-to-recover oil to be worth recovering, the price of oil has to go up. If the amount of production drops, without a corresponding drop in demand, that would do it. But, running "cheaper" oil wells dry will also do it, as the average cost to recover the oil will go up, and the price of a barrel of oil will reflect that.



Aylee -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 9:41:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: joether


But when asked "who will benefit from this idea"?



The poor will benefit.

Cheaper energy prices help the poor in many ways.



Sanity -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 9:47:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: joether


But when asked "who will benefit from this idea"?



The poor will benefit.

Cheaper energy prices help the poor in many ways.


Right. Practically everything becomes more affordable with cheap energy because shipping and manufacturing costs are so much lower



MrRodgers -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 10:13:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
The refinery destination is necessary over the Oklahoma refinery because Houston is in a special 'free market' zone also establishing that the rest of the country...isn't and as if just maybe we didn't know.


Didn't the State Dept's report show that the greatest capacity for more oil sands refining existed in the Gulf area, which was why KXL was heading there?


Well, the Oklahoma refinery is our 2nd largest and Keystone investors (TransCanada) are being told just what I wrote.



slvemike4u -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 10:22:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: joether


But when asked "who will benefit from this idea"?



The poor will benefit.

Cheaper energy prices help the poor in many ways.


Right. Practically everything becomes more affordable with cheap energy because shipping and manufacturing costs are so much lower

Drill baby drill....the mantra of every knuckle dragging right wing loon



Aylee -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 1:21:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether


But when asked "who will benefit from this idea"?



The poor will benefit.

Cheaper energy prices help the poor in many ways.


Right. Practically everything becomes more affordable with cheap energy because shipping and manufacturing costs are so much lower

Drill baby drill....the mantra of every knuckle dragging right wing loon


Now that is an interesting response to pointing out something that helps the poor.

It is okay, I know the left loves the poor. That is why they want more of them.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 1:25:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: joether


But when asked "who will benefit from this idea"?



The poor will benefit.

Cheaper energy prices help the poor in many ways.

Unfortunately, it won't be our poor who will benefit.

They're bypassing the OK refineries and spending the extra money to send KXL all the way to the gulf apparently so the petroleum can be exported.

Doesn't help our poor a bit.



Sanity -> RE: Keystone Pipeline....is it still viable (12/21/2014 1:50:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Unfortunately, it won't be our poor who will benefit.

They're bypassing the OK refineries and spending the extra money to send KXL all the way to the gulf apparently so the petroleum can be exported.

Doesn't help our poor a bit.


Its a world-wide market so, if oil is cheaper on the other side of the planet it is also cheaper here. Therefore contributing to the supply elsewhere does make oil cheaper here



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