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Where's the "Religious" Spirituality discussi... - 12/20/2014 12:21:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is suppose to be the "Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion". Yet, all I see is mostly political chit chat and rarely anything about religion and/or spirituality. I guess there's not much of a link with Spirituality and BDSM? Collarspace might as well just call this the Political debate. Let the arrows from the left and the arrows from the right, keep shooting at each other. I comment on some topics once in awhile but I do tend to have a life and I can't spend 24/7 on here. Maybe some enlightening conversation's on Spirituality once in awhile might not hurt. But I don't want to interfere with the mud slinging. I know there's not enough US vs THEM debates, so please resume with the same debates as usual. Whatever they are.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 12:25:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I suppose that it is much easier to be passive aggressive about it instead of starting a topic.

Bad bad CM members for not starting a topic that you want! No cookies for ANY of us!

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 12:27:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I think the Gnostics were closer to the mark than the perceived wisdom, shame the ruling elites supressed a perfectly good idea in the interests of self preservation.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 12:48:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682
This is suppose to be the "Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion". Yet, all I see is mostly political chit chat and rarely anything about religion and/or spirituality. I guess there's not much of a link with Spirituality and BDSM? Collarspace might as well just call this the Political debate. Let the arrows from the left and the arrows from the right, keep shooting at each other. I comment on some topics once in awhile but I do tend to have a life and I can't spend 24/7 on here. Maybe some enlightening conversation's on Spirituality once in awhile might not hurt. But I don't want to interfere with the mud slinging. I know there's not enough US vs THEM debates, so please resume with the same debates as usual. Whatever they are.


There are the occasional discussions about religion, and there are plenty of political discussions that involve religion here.

What would you like to discuss?


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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 12:48:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

I comment on some topics once in awhile but I do tend to have a life and I can't spend 24/7 on here.


Thank goodness you took a break from your life to whine that people weren't starting threads you liked.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 12:55:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

Well, I think the Gnostics were closer to the mark than the perceived wisdom, shame the ruling elites supressed a perfectly good idea in the interests of self preservation.



Truer words were never spoken. Constantine fucked Christianity over for political purposes. I think it's interesting to note that the earliest Christians were Pagans (it comes from the Latin root for "country" {as opposed to "city"}).

Many of us believe the movement spread from there.



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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 1:17:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		We get the odd religious discussion, but they tend to be dominated by "atheists" who are still taking their mommy/daddy issues out on God, or by "atheists" who can't wrap their heads around any concept of the divine that isn't based on fundamentalist christianity and biblical literalism.

Well, there are those conversations where anyone who criticizes the tenets and practices of islam are called racists.

As for why the section is called "politics and religion," those are two topics where sparks will almost always fly, and that once caused much distress before the original "off topic" area was subdivided some years ago.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 1:22:19 PM   
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Well, I think the Gnostics were closer to the mark than the perceived wisdom, shame the ruling elites supressed a perfectly good idea in the interests of self preservation.



Truer words were never spoken. Constantine fucked Christianity over for political purposes. I think it's interesting to note that the earliest Christians were Pagans (it comes from the Latin root for "country" {as opposed to "city"}).

Many of us believe the movement spread from there.



Michael

If one consults Paine, that Paganism merely substituted Jesus almost always shown over the original Pagan cross, for the Sun God, worshiped by the Egyptians from some 10,000 years ago.

As for spirituality young lady, fine...here it is...intuition. Spirituality is how one feels inside about their own emotions, surroundings, current social environment, political environment and how that person allows it to effect or change or create their behavior toward life and those who are closest around them.

The term spirituality became something that the theistic cling to as a means to suggest that what you do or don't do as a result of your intuition, is pleasing...or displeasing to their god.

However, for the non-theistic, what is more important, is the...here and now. Thus there is no point in thanking or using what happened long ago to feel [we] are either pleasing or displeasing your God.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 2:00:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Charles... it seems the problem with discussions on spirituality is they all invariably deteriorate into the same argument over the existence of a God... After awhile it is just not worth the effort... Now if we could just get people to stop posting on gun control what a nice place this would be.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 8:40:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charles6682

This is suppose to be the "Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion". Yet, all I see is mostly political chit chat and rarely anything about religion and/or spirituality. I guess there's not much of a link with Spirituality and BDSM? Collarspace might as well just call this the Political debate. Let the arrows from the left and the arrows from the right, keep shooting at each other. I comment on some topics once in awhile but I do tend to have a life and I can't spend 24/7 on here. Maybe some enlightening conversation's on Spirituality once in awhile might not hurt. But I don't want to interfere with the mud slinging. I know there's not enough US vs THEM debates, so please resume with the same debates as usual. Whatever they are.

Thanks for stopping by to throw a tantrum.

Heretic laid it out nicely for you. And you didn't read far...contentious religious threads are period, and go on forever, pointlessly repeating the same old.

Or, instead of whining, you could start one.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 8:55:09 PM   
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I often hear folks say, "I'm spiritual but not religious."

I'm always tempted to reply, "Great!! I'm religious but not spiritual."

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/20/2014 10:30:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

We get the odd religious discussion, but they tend to be dominated by "atheists" who are still taking their mommy/daddy issues out on God, or by "atheists" who can't wrap their heads around any concept of the divine that isn't based on fundamentalist christianity and biblical literalism.

Well, there are those conversations where anyone who criticizes the tenets and practices of islam are called racists.

As for why the section is called "politics and religion," those are two topics where sparks will almost always fly, and that once caused much distress before the original "off topic" area was subdivided some years ago.

I fondly remember the day when we were all huddled under the off topic tent.....all the troubles started when they moved us to P and R

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/21/2014 12:10:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since when does making an observation qualify as either whining or throwing a tantrum? OP, I occasionally make my way over here. However, politics is...boring as hell to me, mainly because of the grandstanding and mud-slinging. I'm all for practical solutions that are not partisan-based. World events, scientific discoveries and/or paradigm shifts, human interest stories, those are the kinds of things which interest me.

As for religion and spirituality, this is often a highly private matter to many people. What I do see on these Boards are a whole lot of sexual hang-ups. I don't mean kink/fetish hang-ups. Touching upon religion causes these charged issues to surface. Some people can't handle it without becoming irrationally emotional. (One can be emotional and still act rational.) TheHeretic described it bluntly. Either sexually repressed persons will blame God and their religious upbringing for all their troubles and rationalize themselves into hedonistic immorality (acting out sexually, much like sex addicts do) - having little to no moral compass where not much is off limits to them except what is felonious, then advocate that everybody else who doesn't adopt this same philosophy must be a religious prude - or else they throw aside vanilla sexuality and are only capable of embracing BDSM. Throwing the baby out with the bath water, in other words.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/21/2014 12:59:02 AM   
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I've already managed to simplify "God" down to the inevitable result of a quantum singularity. Hardly worth discussing.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/21/2014 5:41:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal
TheHeretic described it bluntly. Either sexually repressed persons will blame God and their religious upbringing for all their troubles and rationalize themselves into hedonistic immorality (acting out sexually, much like sex addicts do) - having little to no moral compass where not much is off limits to them except what is felonious, then advocate that everybody else who doesn't adopt this same philosophy must be a religious prude - or else they throw aside vanilla sexuality and are only capable of embracing BDSM. Throwing the baby out with the bath water, in other words.



How very singular and wrong.



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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/21/2014 6:16:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

TheHeretic described it bluntly. Either sexually repressed persons will blame God and their religious upbringing for all their troubles and rationalize themselves into hedonistic immorality (acting out sexually, much like sex addicts do) - having little to no moral compass where not much is off limits to them except what is felonious, then advocate that everybody else who doesn't adopt this same philosophy must be a religious prude - or else they throw aside vanilla sexuality and are only capable of embracing BDSM. Throwing the baby out with the bath water, in other words.

How very singular and wrong.

I don't know how you meant your comment exactly, but I have known addictions counselors (my son is one also, specializing in dual-diagnosis care for the mentally ill who have substance abuse/addictions) who have treated sex addicts. I personally have known nymphomaniacs and satyriasists, those who have hypersexuality have sexual repression, intimacy, trust and boundary issues, and are acting out. Much of their rebellion is against their upbringing, so they end up doing a 180-degree turnabout by denying that any Higher Power exists other than their own selves (egos).

It would be one thing if they kept their personal issues under control, but I have yet to meet one who does this and who doesn't objectify people as disposable bodies to be used & discarded, who doesn't try to rationalize their recklessly out-of-control, self-destructive and self-defeating behavior by wanting everyone else to jump into his or her sinking lifeboat of self-centeredness/neediness/greediness with them or to corrupt as many others as they can by dragging them down along with them.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/21/2014 6:53:11 AM   
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Either sexually repressed persons will blame God and their religious upbringing for all their troubles and rationalize themselves into hedonistic immorality (acting out sexually, much like sex addicts do) - having little to no moral compass where not much is off limits to them except what is felonious, then advocate that everybody else who doesn't adopt this same philosophy must be a religious prude - or else they throw aside vanilla sexuality and are only capable of embracing BDSM
is actually crap wether talking about atheists or "believers".
I think its pop psych at its worst, but then ...ymmv




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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/21/2014 7:25:38 AM   
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the blanket statement was wrong....
Either sexually repressed persons will blame God and their religious upbringing for all their troubles and rationalize themselves into hedonistic immorality (acting out sexually, much like sex addicts do) - having little to no moral compass where not much is off limits to them except what is felonious, then advocate that everybody else who doesn't adopt this same philosophy must be a religious prude - or else they throw aside vanilla sexuality and are only capable of embracing BDSM
is actually crap wether talking about atheists or "believers".
I think its pop psych at its worst, but then ...ymmv

Let me put it this way: Why would *truly* liberated, sexually uninhibited persons who embrace their natural selves, are accepting of their bodies and of the human body...need to act out?

Those who act out, either sexually or dogmatically, are symptomatic of an inverted sexual repression or religious repression.
You won't find this in "pop psych."

I'll give you another example, a bit on the obscure side. There is such a medical condition called <sidestepping TOS> Lucy-in-the-Sky-with-Diamonds Overdose.
It cannot be treated in a traditional d treatment center due to not meeting 2 fundamental criteria: (1) It is not addictive so it doesn't exhibit any withdrawal, nor can withdrawal be induced, and (2) It is not possible to detoxify from the body.
Does this make it impossible to treat? Is it a figment of the imagination? No, it is very real, and it is not theoretical. You can plainly see the PTSD-like effects of this, but it is as if you are treating an invisible affliction which has short-circuited nebulous neurological wiring.
I can't really say any more about this particular subject. (Being a veteran forum regular, I'm sure you can see why.)

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/21/2014 2:14:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
We get the odd religious discussion, but they tend to be dominated by "atheists" who are still taking their mommy/daddy issues out on God, or by "atheists" who can't wrap their heads around any concept of the divine that isn't based on fundamentalist christianity and biblical literalism.


Or at least that's what you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.

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RE: Where's the "Religious" Spirituality disc... - 12/21/2014 2:15:03 PM   
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