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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 11:31:13 AM   
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One thing that I recently learned is that even within the wall's of Christianity, there is a Feminine Divine which has been suppressed by mainstream Christians thousands of years now.

In Catholicism and Orthodoxy, the Virgin Mary comes awfully close to being a Feminine Divine.


True, but not the sort of goddess that might sit on one's face. Perish the thought ....


I wouldn't be so sure, I mean she was for sure into cuckolding and crushing:



seems that sort of goddess to me

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 1:13:47 PM   
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There are many different "Goddess's" throughout history and throughout the World. I just view them all as representations of the one Great Mother Goddess of all. There is so many way's to describe the Goddess, that it is not limited to any one particular culture. As for a facesitting Goddess, well, I don't actually sexually worship the Goddess. There is clearly a difference between sexually worshipping a Domme and worshipping the Goddess. That said though, there have been some Goddess's throughout history that did have a sexual side to them.

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 2:44:18 PM   
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charles it was a joke...

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 4:25:54 PM   
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There are some traditions in the World where Men will worship their Women as a form of the Goddess Herself. I guess You could say a Goddess by proxy. That Women represent the Goddess in some form. I think especially here in the Fetish World, that could certainly be the case too. Male Subs worshipping their Domme as a representation of the Goddess. I don't personally see anything too wrong with that to a degree. I will say though, I wouldn't just worship any Lady as though She is a representation the Goddess. That kind of honor would only be reserved for the right kind of Lady in my opinion. Like my own Domme, who is kind hearted and honorable.

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 4:32:04 PM   
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Many have spirituality based on Mother Earth, the true feminine divine. The one provider that if treated wrong can stop providing and end all.

Some of the most reverent people I've met have Mother Earth as a center that they base things from.

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 5:00:42 PM   
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You could say a Goddess by proxy. That Women represent the Goddess in some form. I think especially here in the Fetish World, that could certainly be the case too.


I think I know what you're getting at. A woman may be a royal pain in the arse, especially during her periods ("Periods" with a capital 'P', anyone?), be fucked up and generally quite nutty. God knows I've met plenty of that sort of lady. But such women can *still* be the 'vessels', to some degree or another, of that 'Goddess', despite usually being entirely unconscious of it. (I love watching the fascination on women's faces at each point when they realise some new thing that you see in them. It's *great* :-))

Well, anyway, that idea works for me. At times, and in a very fuzzy way, as previously mentioned.

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 5:56:08 PM   
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I personally respect Mother Earth. There is a reason She is referred to as Mother Earth and Mother Nature. For without Mother Earth, none of us would be here. I take things like caring for the environment serious. That can be a spiritual act in itself.
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Many have spirituality based on Mother Earth, the true feminine divine. The one provider that if treated wrong can stop providing and end all.

Some of the most reverent people I've met have Mother Earth as a center that they base things from.



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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 5:58:57 PM   
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I think the reason why Goddess's and Women are respected in some cultures, is because they are are "vessels" that carry life. Clearly,, they are the birth givers. Ancient cultures many thousands of years ago worshipped the Goddess in a number of ways. Thus a lot of the ancient statues of Female figurines found in old history.
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You could say a Goddess by proxy. That Women represent the Goddess in some form. I think especially here in the Fetish World, that could certainly be the case too.


I think I know what you're getting at. A woman may be a royal pain in the arse, especially during her periods ("Periods" with a capital 'P', anyone?), be fucked up and generally quite nutty. God knows I've met plenty of that sort of lady. But such women can *still* be the 'vessels', to some degree or another, of that 'Goddess', despite usually being entirely unconscious of it. (I love watching the fascination on women's faces at each point when they realise some new thing that you see in them. It's *great* :-))

Well, anyway, that idea works for me. At times, and in a very fuzzy way, as previously mentioned.



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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 6:32:45 PM   
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I think the reason why Goddess's and Women are respected in some cultures, is because they are are "vessels" that carry life. Clearly,, they are the birth givers. Ancient cultures many thousands of years ago worshipped the Goddess in a number of ways. Thus a lot of the ancient statues of Female figurines found in old history.


That ... and the fact that they can have a such a powerful effect on our minds and bodies. I mean, I totally get that the blokes of times long past would look in amazement at a woman giving birth and think, 'Wow. I can't do that. That is **magic** ... and we people, we'd not exist without that magic.'. But the other magic women can have - the sort that's conveyed in Charles's avatar, for instance - isn't of that sort at all, I'd say.

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 10:46:59 PM   
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Which we can presume includes telling himself that "comprehendible" is a word.

Well, actually . . .

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/comprehendible


Irregardless of what was once true, comprehendible is now a word: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/comprehendible

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 11:05:50 PM   
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Irregardless of what was once true, comprehendible is now a word: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/comprehendible

The fact that you can find it in a dictionary doesn't address my point. You can find "irregardless" in the dictionary too.

Since people use irregardless, it is undoubtedly a word in the broader sense of the language, but it has never been accepted in Standard English and is virtually always changed by copyeditors to regardless.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irregardless

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/23/2014 11:32:12 PM   
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My understanding of a "Divine Feminine" - like many of my beliefs - comes from all over the place.

It incorporates, early religious training, shallow (as well as deep) research, and a bit of logical reasoning.

Since I was raised a Traditional Catholic, I was indoctrinated with the idea of the Holy Trinity - three Divine persons in one God. When I was old enough to formulate the question (five or six years old), I asked my priest just how that happened. My priest said that God, the Father and God, the Son looked at each other and the love that exuded from them formed the Holy Spirit. That's a little weak but, even as I got older, that was the best answer I could get to the question.

If the answer had been "God the Father and God, the Holy Spirit ..." That might have made it a bit easier to wrap my head around ... kind of a familial unit with the Holy Spirit being the "mother". Not that it matters, per se because I don't know how much I believe in the Holy Trinity, exactly.

Here's where the logical thought process comes in: Genesis includes these words:

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ORIGINAL: Genesis 1:26-28

26Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."



Forgetting the use of the masculine pronoun, I think these verses speak volumes. First; God is an "us". This lends some credence to the idea of a Holy Trinity. By the way, the verse did NOT come from the Catholic Bible.

Second; in order for God to create male and female in God's own image, it follows, logically, that God must be both male and female.

Not only that, but what the Pagans (and we Gnostic Christians) believe(d) to be true continues the influence of a Feminine Divine. I'm speaking of what most Christian sects would refer to as the "Magdalene Heresy". I think it is entirely possible that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married (or, at least, "partnered").

So, to my mind, the idea of femininity in the Divine is, essentially, a no-brainer.



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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/24/2014 12:00:27 AM   
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Masculine or Feminine or combinations of both, it's still attempts to anthropomorphize the Infinite? "God" by definition, can't be truly described, labeled, or understood by humans. Any more than my rescue birds can understand why I care for them or what I do when out of sight on the computer or how I provide for us all. Unless you are one who brings God down to merely an Angry Desert Patriarch with Superpowers.
To give vertebrate animal reproductive gender characteristics to the Infinite is just a way to try to compartmentalize aspects of what we hope the Infinite Impulse is behind the reality our senses and understanding dwell in. Like the many Gods of Hindu philosophy who each represent aspects of the True Godhead. If we label it, we feel some control over whatever? Totally understandable in beings of Language, but not exactly how to grasp the Infinite?
"That which can't be named" is how a few more insightful religions refer to the 'Creator'? To even attempt to describe 'God' is to limit the Infinite to what humans can understand, in the truest sense, blasphemy and disrespect? If humans can imagine a being beyond our understanding, the actual Infinite Understanding has to be well past that?

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/24/2014 12:07:32 AM   
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There is no doubt in my mind that we lack the knowledge or, more accurately; the intelligence to comprehend God. I think that's a given.

As for the rest of your throat clearing: We all have our beliefs and if you're trying to convince me that your's is the right one, you're wasting your keystrokes. We all believe whatever we believe as a matter of choice and faith.

I thought the idea of this thread was for people to give their insights into their ideas/beliefs about a Divine Feminine. That's what I did.



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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/24/2014 12:34:28 AM   
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The fact that you can find it in a dictionary doesn't address my point. You can find "irregardless" in the dictionary too.

Since people use irregardless, it is undoubtedly a word in the broader sense of the language, but it has never been accepted in Standard English and is virtually always changed by copyeditors to regardless.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/irregardless

K.





It's incomprehensible (to me) that "comprehendible" isn't a word. I don't see how that can possibly be.

(For what it's worth: "comprehendible" came up with a squiggly red line underneath it but so did "copyeditors" LOL)



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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/24/2014 2:04:51 AM   
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For what it's worth: "comprehendible" came up with a squiggly red line underneath it but so did "copyeditors" LOL

It is perfectly comprehensible why both would be flagged.

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/24/2014 2:38:26 AM   
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"In reply to" is an artifact of the web site design and difficult to work around without special care, there was no intent to address you particularly, which an instant's examination of the content would have made clear. Mine was simply the next post in the thread.
The OP's point was immediately addressed, 'Feminine Devine' is an anthropomorphizing or more accurately, animal genderizing a being/force/spirit or Whatever that has to be far removed from sexual reproduction, gender or what humans think of as personality. If seeing a balancing Feminine to the overarching cultural masculine genderizing of 'God' helps people access spirituality, transcend the normal materialist world view we live in or just find wonder and grace for a moment, God Bless. I still see it as reducing whatever creative impulse most religions assume underlies Reality to humanly understandable elements. While still technically blasphemy, not a big concern 'Up There'?
More careful reading would have shown I have No beliefs on the matter, other than it's beyond our comprehension and thus 'beliefs' are delusional, deliberate or unconscious inventions, and have to be irrational or illogical.
A million monkeys messing with a million typewriters may possibly type out the Bible by accident. They aren't going to understand what a Bible is or what it says. We have less chance of knowing the nature of God. Sincere attempts to are understandable. Even trying shows a failure of imagination.

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/24/2014 5:30:11 AM   
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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/24/2014 1:58:13 PM   
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Genesis 1:26-28

... 27"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them."
...
Second; in order for God to create male and female in God's own image, it follows, logically, that God must be both male and female.
...
So, to my mind, the idea of femininity in the Divine is, essentially, a no-brainer.


That's too logical for most folks, Michael. (But I still love it anyway.)

To paraphrase, it has been said that from 2 (masculine + feminine) come 3 (the Trinity). From 3 (3-in-1) come every multitudinous thing (the Universe).

OP, while there's nothing wrong with believing in the Divine Feminine, this is only half of the Yin/Yang energies which permeate the Cosmos; it's half of the coin.
In other words, this is not an either/or one-sided proposition. Both should be embraced in a symbiatic* union.

(* Yes, this is getting red-underlined, but "symbiotic" has the connotation of co-dependency, whereas "symbiatic" has more of a synergistic interdependency dynamic.)

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RE: Goddess Spirituality/Feminine Divine - 12/26/2014 9:02:34 AM   
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Thank You for sharing that. I had finally noticed that small fine detail myself not too long ago. It is all very clear. If there were ever any doubts, You made a very good example there.
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My understanding of a "Divine Feminine" - like many of my beliefs - comes from all over the place.

It incorporates, early religious training, shallow (as well as deep) research, and a bit of logical reasoning.

Since I was raised a Traditional Catholic, I was indoctrinated with the idea of the Holy Trinity - three Divine persons in one God. When I was old enough to formulate the question (five or six years old), I asked my priest just how that happened. My priest said that God, the Father and God, the Son looked at each other and the love that exuded from them formed the Holy Spirit. That's a little weak but, even as I got older, that was the best answer I could get to the question.

If the answer had been "God the Father and God, the Holy Spirit ..." That might have made it a bit easier to wrap my head around ... kind of a familial unit with the Holy Spirit being the "mother". Not that it matters, per se because I don't know how much I believe in the Holy Trinity, exactly.

Here's where the logical thought process comes in: Genesis includes these words:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Genesis 1:26-28

26Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."



Forgetting the use of the masculine pronoun, I think these verses speak volumes. First; God is an "us". This lends some credence to the idea of a Holy Trinity. By the way, the verse did NOT come from the Catholic Bible.

Second; in order for God to create male and female in God's own image, it follows, logically, that God must be both male and female.

Not only that, but what the Pagans (and we Gnostic Christians) believe(d) to be true continues the influence of a Feminine Divine. I'm speaking of what most Christian sects would refer to as the "Magdalene Heresy". I think it is entirely possible that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married (or, at least, "partnered").

So, to my mind, the idea of femininity in the Divine is, essentially, a no-brainer.



Michael




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