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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 7:08:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Considering the hypnotist in question is highly regarded, to the point of having patients travel up from NYC for his expertize, your statement is inaccurate.

For the 80% of smokers it probably is as successful as any other quit smoking program. For those who can quit heroin but not nicotine, it is not. Again, how many heroin addicts have you caused to quit using only a few hypnosis sessions?

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 8:03:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Highly regarded may simply just mean slickly marketed. People may fly across continents to see this person. But he or she has no confidence in working with smokers but lays the blame at the smoking itself. But his "authority" on the matter is wanting.

The "cure" rate for smoking is not 100% and never guaranteed. If he's out of his comfort zone with smoking as a niche, then all he has to do is refer to a colleague who is confident in that area. I'm friends with a highly regarded hypnotherapist here in the UK. Clients fly him around the world to see them. He won't touch smoking. Nor pain management. Nor Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. He knows his strength - weight.

I had a client recently saw me for one matter and in passing mentioned she'd stopped smoking about 20 years ago with hypnotherapy. Just like that. But 2 years ago, a major upheaval in her life made her reach for the cigs again. She knew it was daft. She didn't come to me for help with the smoking. Her issue was something completely unrelated to any kind of substance abuse. But while working with her current issue what happens? She comes back a week later to say that even though smoking hadn't even been touched on during our work together, she hadn't smoked since our first meeting. Even during what was billed to be a highly stressful Christmas with family. Even though she carried the cigarettes around in her bag as she still considered herself a smoker and was with friends that smoked. But the urge hadn't been there so she didn't. No cravings, nothing. And the lack of cravings is a common experience amongst many (not all) that just stop smoking after just one session of hypnotherapy.

A heroin addict can never walk around with the stuff in their bag and just not be bothered to take it. That comparison, on the part of that therapist is what's inaccurate here.

Heroin and the components of a cigarette do what they do for different reasons. Having said that, I've seen amazing transformation in my alcohol clients after just the first of their package of sessions. I've never had a heroin client either, although I've been for training in therapy for Drugs use. Neither would I turn one away, unless he or she were clearly not minded to change. As long as we could work on the original need behind their behaviour, their chances of recovery would be pretty good.

It alarms me what that therapist said. When someone is so highly thought of, their word is gospel and that poor sap is going to believe it can't be done, because he went to the wrong person for help. That's all he did.


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Considering the hypnotist in question is highly regarded, to the point of having patients travel up from NYC for his expertize, your statement is inaccurate.

For the 80% of smokers it probably is as successful as any other quit smoking program. For those who can quit heroin but not nicotine, it is not. Again, how many heroin addicts have you caused to quit using only a few hypnosis sessions?



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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 8:07:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		From all that I've researched and read and heard, hypnosis is a suggestive state, meaning a hypnotist can put in triggers in the mind that can cause somebody to do something but only what is rather normal and harmless and I think that's part of how it works to make people quit smoking.

I was once told that a young woman was hypnotized and a suggestion was implanted so that she would strip naked after hearing a certain song or music.

I've had pros tell me that's bullshit because she would never otherwise do that even though this particular woman had a prefect body and skin and no reason for any embarrassment. I thought well...maybe if she was a nudist.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/1/2015 9:48:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Like others have said, it varies by person. Plus, the simple fact is that going into a trance-like state is a very common thing for everybody so people who have been hypnotized don't always realize they are in that state. They believe since they remember everything then they weren't hypnotized, that they were "just going along with everybody." Fact is most people do remember everything. I've hypnotized quite a few people over the years and have had a wide variety of results, from people doing everything I said as if they were complete mind slaves and then forgetting what happened, to heightening their pleasure whenever we did do stuff or feeling like we were having sex even though I wasn't even in the same room....aah the stories....

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/2/2015 1:51:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Question: does being able to be hypnotized have any correlation to being submissive?

Does it have any correlation to intelligence?

I am not trying to stir the pot, I am just curious.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/2/2015 2:09:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Being hypnotizable does not automatically mean being submissive. And nothing whatsoever to do with intelligence. It's simply the ability to follow instructions.

Not stirring. I know a lot of people are wary of hypnosis because terms like susceptibility is seen to be synonymous with gullibility.
So to prove they are nobody's fool, they decide in their minds to resist. Just to prove their hold over their intelligence.

I have professors, accountants, software engineers, medical doctors, and teachers. I also have electricians, builders, and plumbers amongst my clients. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.


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Question: does being able to be hypnotized have any correlation to being submissive?

Does it have any correlation to intelligence?

I am not trying to stir the pot, I am just curious.



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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/3/2015 2:58:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah what EroticHypnotist said. Matter of fact a lot of hypnotists say that hypnosis is actually better the smarter you are, since you are more able to "force" yourself into the necessary state. I have personally had more fun with submissive partners since most of the hypnosis I do is erotic hypnosis with an emphasis on hypno domination, and naturally submissive people are usually more compliant and fun. But you can be dominant and still be hypnotized, after all it's a natural state. Just depends what you are trying to do, really. Just as a frame of reference, you go into a similar state while meditating. Have you ever started driving somewhere and you get there having no recollection of how you got there? Like you were on autopilot? Or you were so focused on what you were doing that someone said your name and you didn't hear it? Even though they were right next to you? Also a similar state of mind.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/4/2015 5:54:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, hypnosis seems real enough to me. I tend to allow it to happen via recorded media (usually mp3). Initially, I was only capable of quite light sessions - sometimes wondering what all the fuss was about. Then I got to a point where I thought I started falling asleep during sessions - later realising that it was usually just that the hypnosis was getting deeper and I was going through certain levels of amnesia. Gradually I have got to the point where I am today which is that I am quite easy to hypnotise. The above has taken a couple of years of regular sessions - sometimes maybe twice a week and for some periods, daily (I do sometimes leave it alone completely for several weeks too).
Although erotica has formed a large part of that, life has been stressful in recent years and I find it helps with the stress levels too.
Also, I believe that many years ago I was guided into a light hypnotic state to help me discuss an addiction problem with a psychiatric nurse. It's only more recently that I have thought back to those days with some understanding of what happened. Naturally ( :) ) there weren't any of the bells and whistles usually reserved for showy stage hypnosis but it is possible to induce someone into a light hypnotic state without all that.
I did briefly encounter hypnosis when I worked in a clinic for a while too. I started training there with a view to being a counsellor. While I was there I had some interesting conversations with a hypnotherapist. A few of us were shown some things about inductions and briely practiced on each other. Although this was a side issue from the main training, I found it very interesting. We only had a few of these informal training sessions when, unfortunately, the clinic ran into financial problems and all trainees (including moi) were made redundant. Although I never returned to that line of work, the memory has stayed with me.
So I say yes, hypnosis is very real - though I'm not sure what would be meant by *unreal* hypnosis. It's not about removing "free will" but it can sometimes feel that way if following the hypnotist's suggestions is extremely pleasurable. If you add induced amnesia into the mix I suppose it could appear the free will has been taken away - a very sexy feeling if used in erotica.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/7/2015 9:51:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been facinated to see the wide range of responses to this question. Despite the strong positive comments I'm still left wondering - if it is real, what is hyponosis really?

For those of you who have been under hypnosis, can you explain the feeling and your state of mind. I have a hard time believing it is anything beyond a deep meditative state, where one is no more suseptible to suggestion but mearly less inclined to fight against it.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/7/2015 10:10:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some experiences and mental states cannot be explained or conveyed by words. Get hypnotized. Experience it for yourself. It is likely different for everyone and it won't hurt you to try it.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/8/2015 2:27:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think it really matters if it's real, or how people experience it.

It's like a religion, or a diet. If you believe it, that is one step. If it adds value to your life, and check off all the positive boxes you need it to check off, then yay!

I am a very scientific person. And yet, I have experienced things outside of the explanations science can provide. I believe them, because they happened to me. And they moved me. I do not expect others to believe them, or experience such things... only for those I tell to accept that it happened to me in the way I experienced it. No more.

Here are a few things to follow up:

Hypnosis continues to show promise in reducing pain and soothing anxiety, although the research is still inconclusive about its success in smoking cessation.

"Hypnosis works and the empirical support is unequivocal in that regard. It really does help people," says Michael Yapko, PhD, a psychologist and fellow of the American Society of Clinical Hypnosis. "But hypnosis isn’t a therapy in and of itself. Most people wouldn’t regard it that way."

Studying how brain responds to hypnosis

David Spiegel, the study's senior author, defines hypnosis as a state of highly focused attention, achieved through deep breathing and muscle relaxation. When patients are fully hypnotized, they can, for instance, alter their minds to perceive pain as less painful.

Vaughan Bell: hypnosis is no laughing matter

The ability to be hypnotised seems to be a distinct trait that is distributed among the population, like height or shoe size, in a "bell curve" or normal distribution: a minority of people cannot engage with any suggestions, a minority can engage with almost all, and most people can achieve a few.

Probing Question: Does hypnosis work?

More recent research using modern brain imaging techniques show that the connections in the brain are different during hypnosis.

Hypnotherapy For Smoking Cessation Sees Strong Results

A new study* shows that smoking patients who participated in one hypnotherapy session were more likely to be nonsmokers at 6 months compared with patients using nicotine replacement therapy (NRT) alone or patients who quit "cold turkey".

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/8/2015 12:30:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		My understanding of it is pretty much what domincalfornia says
.. but then we are all susceptible..well certainly I am when it comes to muffins and boots and corsets

I always meant to try it for giving up smoking, lord never the muffins - but frankly smoking is most delicious - I know tis bad for thee...

the next logical questions are
1. are you fascinated by hypnosis of your self or another and why?
2. for you that have been hypnotised explain it please so i may understand it better; what for and what did it feel like and how aware were thee



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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/8/2015 2:49:42 PM   
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Hypnosis probably doesn't exist in the way you're envisioning it. The scientific support for it is scant. Hypnosis advocates admit that it relies heavily on the placebo effect. I was "hypnotized" once in a stage show, and played along with the suggestions, but I could have stopped at any time.


Yeah, I totally agree with this. I've had a few people try to hypnotise me in different situations; I feel relaxed but I know I'm going along with it and could stop if I wanted to. There were a few people there screaming and kicking as though they were completely under the power of the hypnotist and couldn't disobey his commands - I was a bit sceptical to be honest, I thought they were probably faking / exagerrating.

As regards orgasm training, it's fairly simply to train someone to orgasm on command without any sort of 'hypnosis'. My first owner inadvertently trained me just through arousal and repetition so that when he'd issue the command word, it would happen without any sort of deliberate effort from myself. I don't believe there's anything you can achieve under hypnosis that you can't achieve anyway - it's simply a placebo effect.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/9/2015 3:12:15 AM   
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Yeah, I totally agree with this. I've had a few people try to hypnotise me in different situations; I feel relaxed but I know I'm going along with it and could stop if I wanted to.


This is how it should feel, for the majority of people, actually.

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I don't believe there's anything you can achieve under hypnosis that you can't achieve anyway <snipped>


This is true. Behavior modification is a very powerful thing.

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- it's simply a placebo effect.


This is not true, for those susceptible. Which is made very clear by just a little research. Unless you mean placebo - as in, it's all in your mind, which it absolutely is. That does not make it any less powerful or possible.

It's easy to find studies showing how the brain actually reacts differently under hypnosis, and it's effects on pain management and denial, for example.

In fact, a good friend of mine had just recently been at a doctor, who told her that her fibro was getting worse, but he couldn't up the dosages of her meds just yet (they just had, and she had not stabilized). That weekend, we went to an erotic hypnosis seminar. She was invited to be a subject, and asked for pain relief. Watching her on stage, she went from slumped to sitting tall, stressed to smiling, then she broke down and cried for the feeling of being pain-free for the first time in 3 1/2 years.

It lasted nearly a month, then she got it touched up, and now goes once a month, living a nearly normal life, where before she was practically crippled.

So, give me that placebo, if I ever develop a chronic pain disease, please.

Anecdotal experience is just one person (even mine, and it wasn't even me). It's like saying, " I've had a few people try to dominate me in different situations; I feel turned on but I know I'm going along with it and could stop if I wanted to," then saying submission is just a placebo effect.




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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/9/2015 7:52:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've tried Spirited, it didn't happen for me. I don't know if that means I can't be hypnotized but I've been unable to experience it for myself.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/19/2015 6:58:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		There could be all kinds of reasons that it "didn't work." Maybe the the trust wasn't there, maybe the hypnotist wasn't the right one for you, maybe the induction used wasn't the right one for you, maybe you were in trance but it was so light you didn't realize it, or maybe it was something else. There are so many different types of inductions used, and the ones used by stage hypnotists don't work on everybody (that is why they choose which people go up, there are tests...) Plus there's the fact that most people have a misconception about what hypnosis really is. They think hypnosis=brainwashing=mind control. That is simply not the case. There are exceptions but most of the population just isn't that suggestible the first time and it wears off pretty quickly (post hypnotic suggestions working a couple hours at most if even that long). It usually takes more sessions for people to go deeply hypnotized and for suggestions to stick longer after being hypnotized.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 1/20/2015 1:48:29 PM   
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There could be all kinds of reasons that it "didn't work." Maybe the the trust wasn't there, maybe the hypnotist wasn't the right one for you, maybe the induction used wasn't the right one for you, maybe you were in trance but it was so light you didn't realize it, or maybe it was something else.


That hits the nail on the head! Without trust... nothing.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 3/3/2015 11:19:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		Quite an interesting range of responses.

I'm a certified consulting hypnotist with the National Guild of Hypnotists.

Yes, Virginia, Hypnosis is real. I don't want to repeat the comments made by other hypnotists so I'll go in a different direction.
I am an analyst by trade. My whole job is "What is wrong with what they just said?" My job is to be critical. That said....NO ONE was more surprised that me the first time I hypnotized someone. I've been fascinated with the myriad applications for it since then.

I started doing hypnosis after seeing a friend do it at a local kink event (BlackBEAT). After that I made up my mind to find out for myself what it was all about. I got some informal training, did more training then got certified. Over the last 5 years I've done upwards of 500 sessions on a range of topics including weightloss, smoking, pain management, phobias, study enhancement, organization, and a WHOLE LOT Of erotic stuff (forced orgasms, orgasm denial, behavior modification, remote impact, binding without rope, dollification, bimbofication.....and so on).

If anyone...including the OP....has any questions about hypnosis, wants to try it for themselves, or anything else related to it....please feel free to PM me.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 3/3/2015 11:27:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I really hate the term 'susceptible' in relation to Hypnosis. It implies some kind of weakness which simply isn't true.
We don't say that someone who can't dance isn't susceptible to music.
We don't tell people who can't sing that they are susceptible to tone.

I like to tell my best clients that they have a Talent for hypnosis.

Also, someone earlier in the thread mistakenly said that only 10 or 15% can be hypnotized...that is inverted. The vast population can be hypnotized. Most of us do it to ourselves several times each day. Very few cannot. The most common group I come across who have difficulty are the control freaks (Dom or Sub); people who just don't trust and cannot let their guard down. Even then it's usually possible over time and as they build rapport with the hypnotist.

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RE: Is real hypnosis B.S.? - 3/3/2015 11:48:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just my 2 cents here. Nine years ago I was hypnotized to stop smoking. I went in with my sister, and when we walked out, I had absolutely no nicotine craving at all, and after 2 weeks, she was back smoking again. This past year, my Sir went, and although he was completely under (I was there to witness) within 2 weeks he was smoking again. I believe it is different for everyone.

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