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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:18:47 PM

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I do.

Now you'll realize why people aren't drinking your links.

And calling you on your own circumstantial ad hominem dismissal fallacies.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:30:39 PM

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I really have no idea what you're talking about there...

feel invited to enlighten me.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:32:07 PM

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I know.

You may have to actually learn something knew.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:37:55 PM

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good one...I genuinely invited you to explain to me, and you saw it as a chance to be insulting.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:42:00 PM

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Not at all.

I not only called it to your attention, more than once, noted where you were apparently getting stuck, invited you to Google it to get up to speed, and even did the search for you and linked it.

Do I need to come to your house to read it aloud to you?

I can give you the information -- I can't make you read it, or want to, or learn from it. That's a choice you'll need to make.

If that reality is "insulting" to you, then you have problems beyond anything I can help with. Maybe slow down, go back, have a more careful read.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:47:18 PM

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if you go back and read carefully---you will see I said to you I understand what it means.

then I added my post about milk and the dairy industry---which actually addresses your notion of the circumstantial fallacy. the two need to be understood together, or rather, one in light of the other.

what im failing to see is how ive engaged in this "fallacy" or for that matter---how it effects the quality of the support I show for my positions.

you can continue to be what seems to be smug and condescending, or like I said, you can explain to me.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:47:47 PM

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Musicmystery

In fact, the NRA quite explicitly plays to this paranoia -- if you go to join, here's the top of page:

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Dear Fellow American:

What's happening RIGHT NOW in Washington, D.C. could spell disaster for YOUR guns and YOUR Second Amendment rights!

Hundreds of gun-ban politicians, political appointees and bureaucrats are now writing regulations, casting votes and passing laws that could all but eliminate your right to own a gun. Their agenda starts with licensing, registering, fingerprinting, inspecting and cataloging every firearm, firearm owner and firearm transfer in the United States ...

... And it ends with an outright ban on your guns!!!!

Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights...
by joining NRA today.

Ya think ya just get that stuff in membership advertising ? Join up and you'll keep getting the same type of stuff in letters that come every 2 - 3 weeks asking for donations.

If they changed "passing laws" to trying to pass laws in the letter you cited it wouldn't even have been exaggerated.

IMO, if it wasn't for the NRA we would have virtually been reduced to muzzle loaders by now. Ok........so I may have slightly exaggerated that last sentence

And that's my point.

The continual hyperbole presents an image of paranoiac hysteria. And that's hard to take seriously.

Or those who double down on supporting/defending the mania.

Uh.....well, I only said slightly exaggerated. After all Canada doesn't have an NRA. Australia doesn't have an NRA. The UK doesn't have an NRA. I saw what happened in those places or was that just the imaginings of my overly paranoid gun nutery schizophrenic macho mind ?

Maybe the gun grabbers didn't go from their handgun control agenda to calling for a ban on an entire class of firearms (semi automatics) agenda in 1989 because of some whack job who shot up a school yard and should have been by all rights never out on the street (see signature line).

Maybe Clinton didn't damn near manage to get that ban and throw a monkey wrench into the market for a 10 year period.

Maybe the liberal media doesn't exploit terms like "assault weapon" (an undefinable term of which, technically there is no such thing), or the term "spray" when referring to semi autos. Then Joe Biden come along and says "get a shotgun". That one actually sprays.

And really there's so much more but those are just some of the wildly exaggerated musings of an NRA psychopath, right ??

Ya wanna talk about hyperbole ? Yeah, go for it Muse.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:51:53 PM

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if you go back and read carefully---you will see I said to you I understand what it means.

Just the opposite. You clearly don't.

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what im failing to see is how ive engaged in this "fallacy" or for that matter---how it effects the quality of the support I show for my positions.

you can continue to be what seems to be smug and condescending, or like I said, you can explain to me.

No, I keep telling you to go back the link I pulled up for you that explains it, which you continue to refuse to do.

That's your willful ignorance. Go back, look at it, come back informed. Just like that.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:53:04 PM

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There's no doubt, lm, that there's plenty of hyperbole all the way around, all sides.

We don't need to carry their water, however.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:58:45 PM

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I often don't see replies to all the posts I make...so, I don't know what link you are referring to...and that's the first I saw you say "go back and read the link I pulled up for you."

that said, from the past handful of interactions ive had with you, its pretty clear to me you're really not interested in seeking understanding, or for that matter, really being understood. you seem solely bent on antagonizing and exasperating the people trying to talk with you.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 12:59:48 PM

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Well, if you decide you want to actually learn, it's the one with the link in it.

FFS.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:03:16 PM

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nah---just going to hide your profile so I don't have to deal with your abuse...

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:04:37 PM

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Yeah. Pulling up a link for you to answer your question is abuse.

No wonder America is so dense.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:05:07 PM

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There's no doubt, lm, that there's plenty of hyperbole all the way around, all sides.

We don't need to carry their water, however.

So you say but I'm saying that the NRA doesn't exaggerate as much as you think yet the anti gun side is full of of it. I thought I illustrated it quite well. I could come up with more if ya want

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:07:41 PM

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Why? Looks to me that we're in basic agreement -- there's exaggeration. I don't think that will shock anyone.

In fact, you actually added to my account of the NRA's tendency. But...carry their water if you wish. It wouldn't do much for the accuracy of your posts, though.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:11:01 PM

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nah---just going to hide your profile so I don't have to deal with your abuse...

I wouldn't hide his profile. There is so much to learn from the beacon of intellectual dishonesty. Besides, there is a lot of entertainment value there.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:14:12 PM

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I think that there's a certain irony to being "macho" and guns, because the guy who brings a firearm to a fistfight or to challenge a lost Alzheimer's man wandering on his property is a form coward or paranoid personality.

Talk about beating a dead horse.
In the first one you have it backwards he brought fists to a gunfight, remember he started the violence.
In the 2nd one the courts the cops and even the widow said it was a justified shooting. Continuing these arguments undermines what little credibility you have.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:16:10 PM

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nah---just going to hide your profile so I don't have to deal with your abuse...

I wouldn't hide his profile. There is so much to learn from the beacon of intellectual dishonesty. Besides, there is a lot of entertainment value there.

Yet, instead of counter-argument, you've got snark.

Speaking of "intellectual dishonesty," the resurrected buzzword for "I've got nothing, but this sounds good" phrase.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:17:54 PM

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Why? Looks to me that we're in basic agreement -- there's exaggeration. I don't think that will shock anyone.

In fact, you actually added to my account of the NRA's tendency. But...carry their water if you wish. It wouldn't do much for the accuracy of your posts, though.

No, we're not even close to agreement. I'm comparing a mountain to a molehill.

I'm happy to carry water for the NRA and my paranoid musings (I say that in jest) in post #627 are spot on.

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RE: Another "successful" carry story - 1/24/2015 1:21:27 PM

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It's hard to see how this isn't hyperbole:

quote:

Dear Fellow American:

What's happening RIGHT NOW in Washington, D.C. could spell disaster for YOUR guns and YOUR Second Amendment rights!

Hundreds of gun-ban politicians, political appointees and bureaucrats are now writing regulations, casting votes and passing laws that could all but eliminate your right to own a gun. Their agenda starts with licensing, registering, fingerprinting, inspecting and cataloging every firearm, firearm owner and firearm transfer in the United States ...

... And it ends with an outright ban on your guns!!!!

Only you can stop the anti-gunners and prevent the obliteration of our Second Amendment rights...
by joining NRA today.

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