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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/11/2015 9:57:54 PM   
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(1) We armed the Taliban and helped them overtake Afghanistan. If we had a do over, we might make another decision.

(2) We meddled in IRAN and in the end that led to the Iranian revolution. Do you want to give us high marks for that turn of events?

(3) Do you want to hand out awards for the IRAQ war?

(4) Do you want to commend the USA's attempt at nation building in Afghanistan?

(5) Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from our big ally, Saudi Arabia.

(6) ISIS would not exist if the US didn't invade IRAQ.

Nothing we've done in the Middle East would remind many folks of the Marshall Plan in Europe. Its odd you find a factual statement about US foreign policy so "inflammatory."

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/11/2015 10:07:10 PM   
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I was not trying to negate your point. I was just adding some commentary. I hate all elements that target free speech.

Clearly the West is part of the problem in the Middle East, and our solutions have not worked well to stabilize the region. The US has been especially incompetent.

Leave it to you to take a problem in another country and somehow manage to work in a slam at the US. Is that because a leberal paradise like France still experienced problems with Muslim terrorists?

You have to understand that without the US there would be no problems. Even if there is no discernable connection the US must have contributed or there wouldn't be a problem. America is the root of all evil because they haven't stamped out conservatism.


Nice that our colleges and universities teach such awesome values these days
Here are some of those wonderful courses:

Sibling Incest in Theory and Literature (University of Missouri)

Aesthetics, Erotics and Ethics (Harvard University, Divinity School)

Magic, Witchcraft and Modernity (Columbia University)

Film as Literature (University of Arkansas at Little Rock)

50 Shades Trilogy (American University)

Find the fascinating description of these courses here:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12336/

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 1:02:40 AM   
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(1) We armed the Taliban and helped them overtake Afghanistan. If we had a do over, we might make another decision.

(2) We meddled in IRAN and in the end that led to the Iranian revolution. Do you want to give us high marks for that turn of events?

(3) Do you want to hand out awards for the IRAQ war?

(4) Do you want to commend the USA's attempt at nation building in Afghanistan?

(5) Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from our big ally, Saudi Arabia.

(6) ISIS would not exist if the US didn't invade IRAQ.

Nothing we've done in the Middle East would remind many folks of the Marshall Plan in Europe. Its odd you find a factual statement about US foreign policy so "inflammatory."

Again you make some very pertinent and valid points here.

One major issue that was omitted from your list was Israel and its role in fomenting Islamist extremism. Israel is seen as a festering cancer throughout the Arab/Muslim world on one level and as a US proxy on another. Nightly the Arab/Muslim world sees images of Palestinians being slaughtered by the Israeli Defence Forces. As each day goes by Israel gobbles up more and more land earmarked for a Palestinian State. Arabs have been telling us for decades to do something to resolve the situation in Occupied Palestine and for decades those voices have fallen upon deaf ears.

This is one of the primary reasons the West in general and the US in particular is hated and loathed throughout the region. It is arguable that Islamist extremism might not exist were it not for the relentless criminal Israeli provocations, atrocities, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. It is self evident that this is a major factor in radicalising elements in the region.

To pretend that Israel and the West are blameless victims when it comes to Islamist terrorism, to deny that Western policies and Israeli behaviour are culpable causal factors in stoking the fires of extremism in the region ensures the terrorists' major recruitment agent will continue to attract more and more recruits, that terrorism will continue unabated. One of the first steps that must be taken to solve the 'terrorism problem' is to force Israel into meaningful negotiations with and concluding a just and fair agreement with the Palestinians.

Until this happens we can expect more of the same, just as Palestinians and Arabs are suffering more of the same.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 2:22:17 AM   
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You and the post you refer too both have it wrong about the Crusades, they took place before the formation of the Knights Templar. After the first crusade there was a flood of pilgrims to see the Holy Lands, these were often killed and robbed by bandits, so the Templars were set up to protect them.

Given that the Crusades cover a period of about two hundred years, and the Templars were formed following the First Crusade, I would think it difficult to claim that "they took place before the formation of the Knights Templar."

K.




I thought you were still busy trying to work out why 1 in 7 doesnt equal 80%

Lets talk you through it like a baby though. YOUR OWN POST states the Knights Templars were formed after the First Crusade, therefore the Crusades were not set up to protect pilgrims.

I am dismayed this simple shit trips you up time and time again.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 2:26:15 AM   
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It is amazing that the people who decry the Crusades forget that the Muslims obtained the land not by peaceful conversion but obtained conversion via conquest. At the time the Crusades began Muslims controlled most of Spain, and a little publicized branch of the Crusades was focused on liberating Spain, another branch focused on what is now eastern Germany and Poland reclaim lands from "Orthodoxy".
The first was sparked by the attacks on pilgrims allowed by a breakdown of the Caliphate.


NM....... I just cant be arsed today.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 2:29:26 AM   
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What makes me an asshole, is that I post about the reality of it all



Au contraire Rodders.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 3:59:39 AM   
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I was not trying to negate your point. I was just adding some commentary. I hate all elements that target free speech.

Clearly the West is part of the problem in the Middle East, and our solutions have not worked well to stabilize the region. The US has been especially incompetent.

Leave it to you to take a problem in another country and somehow manage to work in a slam at the US. Is that because a leberal paradise like France still experienced problems with Muslim terrorists?

You have to understand that without the US there would be no problems. Even if there is no discernable connection the US must have contributed or there wouldn't be a problem. America is the root of all evil because they haven't stamped out conservatism.


Nice that our colleges and universities teach such awesome values these days
Here are some of those wonderful courses:

Sibling Incest in Theory and Literature (University of Missouri)

Aesthetics, Erotics and Ethics (Harvard University, Divinity School)

Magic, Witchcraft and Modernity (Columbia University)

Film as Literature (University of Arkansas at Little Rock)

50 Shades Trilogy (American University)

Find the fascinating description of these courses here:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12336/


None of these course are being offered in 2015. Nor were they for the fall class of 2014. This will come as a shock, but many universities and colleges will offer a very wide range of classes on a very wide level of topics. That the topics may sound interesting, the 'guts' of the course could be all together different. That professors are given latitude to offer such courses shows the 1st amendment still works.

I had one course back in college: "World War 2". Most of us in the class were expecting debates on numerous battles and how civilian life interacted with it. Nope, the whole class was about stuff that didn't have much to do with battles, famous leaders, or troops. It was bummer. But then most of us went to the same pub and had all the different discussions over beers. That and a few games of 'Axis & Allies'.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 6:55:25 AM   
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(1) We armed the Taliban and helped them overtake Afghanistan. If we had a do over, we might make another decision.


Without future vision things dont always work out perfectly for anyone, not even you. The Soviets were the enemy at the time, there was this thing on, called the Cold War. The Soviets were severely brutalizing the people of Afghanistan at the time in a bid to annex Afghanistan. Its really a shame that your professors only feed you propaganda, rather than complete history. That said, if we HAD the future vision back then that you assume we did perhaps we would have destroyed the people who went on to form al-Qaeda and the Taliban, rather than ignore another Soviet annexation?

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(2) We meddled in IRAN and in the end that led to the Iranian revolution. Do you want to give us high marks for that turn of events?


Again, there was a cold war on. In WWII we meddled in a lot of places, and that was a good thing, too. Even if your professors WERE to clue you in on the full context of such things I doubt that you could understand the complexity. And beside the cold war and the Soviets, look at the monsters who were waiting in the wings to assume control of Iran... Would you want to be a woman in Iran today? Under the Shah, women were treated like they were humans rather than dogs.

Fascists control Iran now - are YOU proud of Jimmy Carter?

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(3) Do you want to hand out awards for the IRAQ war?


All of the Democrats were on board for that one until they decided they could use it for political purposes

(Still using it)

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(4) Do you want to commend the USA's attempt at nation building in Afghanistan?


The Taliban gave safe harbor to al-Qaeda, and the people there were suffering under the Taliban nearly as much as the people of Iraq suffered under Saddam & Sons. Would you really be happier if we had just bombed Afghanistan even further back into the stone age, and left it at that? Or is that just another propaganda talking point that you found on some far left web site that you have never really thought about.

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(5) Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from our big ally, Saudi Arabia.


Okay, so you are saying that we shouldnt have Muslim friends

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(6) ISIS would not exist if the US didn't invade IRAQ.


More unfounded and ill-considered propaganda. If, if, if. ISIS began in Syria (Barack Obamas "Arab Spring" baby). If Obama had listened to the Iraqis early on when they pleaded for his help in fighting ISIS in its infancy, and if he had listened to his generals and others who warned him, and if he had been aggressive in countering them when they finally did get his attention, he could have prevented untold slaughter. Whole families have been destroyed, the girls kidnapped and kept as sex slaves. Rapes, beheadings, crucifixions and other unspeakable atrocities occurred on a massive scale while Obama golfed

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Nothing we've done in the Middle East would remind many folks of the Marshall Plan in Europe. Its odd you find a factual statement about US foreign policy so "inflammatory."


First you bitch about all of the effort we have put into nation building there, now you bitch that we dont put enough effort into nation building there

If these were your own thoughts rather than some copy&paste you found on some far left website (or something your rabid leftist college professors taught you) they might be coherent

But then again probably not






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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 7:16:29 AM   
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(1) We armed the Taliban and helped them overtake Afghanistan. If we had a do over, we might make another decision.

(2) We meddled in IRAN and in the end that led to the Iranian revolution. Do you want to give us high marks for that turn of events?

(3) Do you want to hand out awards for the IRAQ war?

(4) Do you want to commend the USA's attempt at nation building in Afghanistan?

(5) Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from our big ally, Saudi Arabia.

(6) ISIS would not exist if the US didn't invade IRAQ.

Nothing we've done in the Middle East would remind many folks of the Marshall Plan in Europe. Its odd you find a factual statement about US foreign policy so "inflammatory."

Again you make some very pertinent and valid points here.

One major issue that was omitted from your list was Israel and its role in fomenting Islamist extremism. Israel is seen as a festering cancer throughout the Arab/Muslim world on one level and as a US proxy on another. Nightly the Arab/Muslim world sees images of Palestinians being slaughtered by the Israeli Defence Forces. As each day goes by Israel gobbles up more and more land earmarked for a Palestinian State. Arabs have been telling us for decades to do something to resolve the situation in Occupied Palestine and for decades those voices have fallen upon deaf ears.

This is one of the primary reasons the West in general and the US in particular is hated and loathed throughout the region. It is arguable that Islamist extremism might not exist were it not for the relentless criminal Israeli provocations, atrocities, ethnic cleansing and apartheid. It is self evident that this is a major factor in radicalising elements in the region.

To pretend that Israel and the West are blameless victims when it comes to Islamist terrorism, to deny that Western policies and Israeli behaviour are culpable causal factors in stoking the fires of extremism in the region ensures the terrorists' major recruitment agent will continue to attract more and more recruits, that terrorism will continue unabated. One of the first steps that must be taken to solve the 'terrorism problem' is to force Israel into meaningful negotiations with and concluding a just and fair agreement with the Palestinians.

Until this happens we can expect more of the same, just as Palestinians and Arabs are suffering more of the same.


You are so rabid in your anti-Jew anti-West propaganda that you do your side far more harm than good

You post as if Israel has never suffered a single attack of any kind, as if Islamists havent been terrorizing nonbelievers, cleansing their lands of nonbelievers wherever they have invaded for centuries

The United States doesnt teach young Muslims the myriad virtues and rewards of jihad and martyrdom

Israel doesnt teach young Muslims the myriad virtues and rewards of jihad and martyrdom

And such teachings arent by any means a recent development

Israel is merely the current focal point of the psychotic killer ideology, the fascism known as Islam

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 9:06:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


I was not trying to negate your point. I was just adding some commentary. I hate all elements that target free speech.

Clearly the West is part of the problem in the Middle East, and our solutions have not worked well to stabilize the region. The US has been especially incompetent.

Leave it to you to take a problem in another country and somehow manage to work in a slam at the US. Is that because a leberal paradise like France still experienced problems with Muslim terrorists?

You have to understand that without the US there would be no problems. Even if there is no discernable connection the US must have contributed or there wouldn't be a problem. America is the root of all evil because they haven't stamped out conservatism.


Nice that our colleges and universities teach such awesome values these days
Here are some of those wonderful courses:

Sibling Incest in Theory and Literature (University of Missouri)

Aesthetics, Erotics and Ethics (Harvard University, Divinity School)

Magic, Witchcraft and Modernity (Columbia University)

Film as Literature (University of Arkansas at Little Rock)

50 Shades Trilogy (American University)

Find the fascinating description of these courses here:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12336/


None of these course are being offered in 2015. Nor were they for the fall class of 2014. This will come as a shock, but many universities and colleges will offer a very wide range of classes on a very wide level of topics. That the topics may sound interesting, the 'guts' of the course could be all together different. That professors are given latitude to offer such courses shows the 1st amendment still works.

I had one course back in college: "World War 2". Most of us in the class were expecting debates on numerous battles and how civilian life interacted with it. Nope, the whole class was about stuff that didn't have much to do with battles, famous leaders, or troops. It was bummer. But then most of us went to the same pub and had all the different discussions over beers. That and a few games of 'Axis & Allies'.

Well then, let's look at the course...and their descriptions...being offered today:

Doin' Time: A History of Black Incarceration
This course may also count for the major in Gender, Feminist Studies and Sexuality.
This course considers how a system of imprisoning Black men and women has been sustained from colonial times to the present. Beginning with Foucault's Discipline and Punish and Davis's Are Prisons Obsolete?, the course establishes a theoretical grounding upon which to understand early systems of surveillance and confinement. The course surveys institutions, justice systems, and incarcerated men's and women's crimes, punishments, and experiences negotiating what can arguably be termed 21st century re-enslavement. (Oberlin College...4 full credits)
http://mobilecatalog.oberlin.edu/#coursedetail

ENVS 10: Joy of Garbage
What happens to the things we don’t want? This class follows the path of our waste products as they are burnt, decomposed, landfilled, treated, recycled, reused, dumped on minority communities, or shipped abroad. Building on basic chemical and biological principles, and using the scientific method to guide us, this class explores the fates of organic and nonorganic detritus, and searches for sustainable solutions to waste problems. (4 units)
(Santa Clara University. Environmental Studies)

http://www.scu.edu/cas/ess/courses/

PHIL-180 PHILOSOPHY AND STAR TREK-FALL FOR 2014-2015
FACULTY:
WETZEL, LINDA
STAR TREK IS VERY PHILOSOPHICAL. WHAT BETTER WAY, THEN, TO DO PHILOSOPHY, BUT TO WATCH STAR TREK, READ PHILOSOPHY AND HASH IT ALL OUT IN CLASS (AND ON BLACKBOARD)? THAT’S THE PLAN. THIS COURSE WILL CENTER ON TOPICS IN METAPHYSICS THAT COME UP AGAIN AND AGAIN IN STAR TREK. IN CONJUNCTION WITH WATCHING STAR TREK, WE WILL READ EXCERPTS FROM THE WRITINGS OF GREAT PHILOSOPHERS, EXTRACT KEY CONCEPTS AND ARGUMENTS AND THEN ANALYZE THOSE ARGUMENTS. QUESTIONS WE WILL WRESTLE WITH INCLUDE:
I. IS TIME TRAVEL POSSIBLE? COULD YOU GO BACK AND KILL YOUR GRANDMOTHER? WHAT IS TIME?
II. WHAT IS THE RELATION BETWEEN YOUR MIND AND YOUR BRAIN--ARE THEY SEPARATE ITEMS OR IDENTICAL? CAN PERSONS SURVIVE DEATH? COULD A MACHINE SOMEDAY THINK? IS DATA A PERSON?
III. WHAT IS A PERSON? MUST YOU HAVE THE SAME BODY TO BE YOU? SAME MEMORIES? WHEN DO WE HAVE ONE PERSON, AND WHEN DO WE HAVE TWO (THINK OF THE EPISODES WHERE PEOPLE "SPLIT" OR "FUSE").
IV. DO YOU HAVE FREE WILL, OR ARE YOU DETERMINED BY THE LAWS OF NATURE TO DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WIND UP DOING (WHILE BELIEVING YOU HAVE FREE WILL)? OR BOTH? WHAT IS FREEWILL?
TEXT: METAPHYSICS: CLASSIC AND CONTEMPORARY READINGS, 2ND ED., ED. BY HOY & OAKLANDER (WADSWORTH, 2005). THREE SHORT PAPERS, AND ONE PRESENTATION OR DEBATE.
CREDITS: 3
PREREQUISITES: ONE OF PHIL 010, 020, 098, OR 099.
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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 9:43:14 AM   
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(1) We armed the Taliban and helped them overtake Afghanistan. If we had a do over, we might make another decision.

(2) We meddled in IRAN and in the end that led to the Iranian revolution. Do you want to give us high marks for that turn of events?

(3) Do you want to hand out awards for the IRAQ war?

(4) Do you want to commend the USA's attempt at nation building in Afghanistan?

(5) Most of the 9/11 hijackers came from our big ally, Saudi Arabia.

(6) ISIS would not exist if the US didn't invade IRAQ.

Nothing we've done in the Middle East would remind many folks of the Marshall Plan in Europe. Its odd you find a factual statement about US foreign policy so "inflammatory."


SO WHAT...All the above just says we are stupid...but none of this forgives the butchery of uncivilized fanatic Islamic assholes. Some more of the two wrongs make a right bullshit.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 10:37:57 AM   
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Sibling Incest in Theory and Literature (University of Missouri)

Aesthetics, Erotics and Ethics (Harvard University, Divinity School)

Magic, Witchcraft and Modernity (Columbia University)

Film as Literature (University of Arkansas at Little Rock)

50 Shades Trilogy (American University)

Find the fascinating description of these courses here:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12336/

I'm not sorting through this--Not even sure what you're on about really.

But just quickly, sibling incest in literature would include Poe's "Fall of the House of Usher," a pretty important work.

And what's wrong with "Film as Literature"?

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 11:21:54 AM   
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Sibling Incest in Theory and Literature (University of Missouri)

Aesthetics, Erotics and Ethics (Harvard University, Divinity School)

Magic, Witchcraft and Modernity (Columbia University)

Film as Literature (University of Arkansas at Little Rock)

50 Shades Trilogy (American University)

Find the fascinating description of these courses here:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12336/

I'm not sorting through this--Not even sure what you're on about really.

But just quickly, sibling incest in literature would include Poe's "Fall of the House of Usher," a pretty important work.

And what's wrong with "Film as Literature"?

What's wrong with "Film as Literature"? Done in a way such that students could really learn something about how the two are intertwined and the shortcomings and the good things about transferring literature to film. But this? "Enter “Film as Literature,” which aims “to bring a different take to contemporary film by studying them from an environmentalist perspective,” according to an article in the school’s campus newspaper."

And I know incest is a topic explored to various degrees in Literature. But this? "This women’s studies/humanities class delves into “the positioning of the incest taboo at the border of nature and culture, or science and the humanities,” its course description states. It will “consider the way incest functions to establish or to upset identity in the context of national, religious, racial, and familial structures.” Underscoring that, it will “examine the deployment of erotic desire, love, and sympathy as political, economic, and textual strategies, and analyze the gender dynamics involved in such deployment.” Bottom line: it’s a ridiculous compilation of academic gobbledygook that ultimately seeks to defend and normalize incest as commonplace and acceptable."

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 11:34:03 AM   
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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 11:34:51 AM   
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Sibling Incest in Theory and Literature (University of Missouri)

Aesthetics, Erotics and Ethics (Harvard University, Divinity School)

Magic, Witchcraft and Modernity (Columbia University)

Film as Literature (University of Arkansas at Little Rock)

50 Shades Trilogy (American University)

Find the fascinating description of these courses here:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/12336/

I'm not sorting through this--Not even sure what you're on about really.

But just quickly, sibling incest in literature would include Poe's "Fall of the House of Usher," a pretty important work.

And what's wrong with "Film as Literature"?

What's wrong with "Film as Literature"? Done in a way such that students could really learn something about how the two are intertwined and the shortcomings and the good things about transferring literature to film. But this? "Enter “Film as Literature,” which aims “to bring a different take to contemporary film by studying them from an environmentalist perspective,” according to an article in the school’s campus newspaper."

And I know incest is a topic explored to various degrees in Literature. But this? "This women’s studies/humanities class delves into “the positioning of the incest taboo at the border of nature and culture, or science and the humanities,” its course description states. It will “consider the way incest functions to establish or to upset identity in the context of national, religious, racial, and familial structures.” Underscoring that, it will “examine the deployment of erotic desire, love, and sympathy as political, economic, and textual strategies, and analyze the gender dynamics involved in such deployment.” Bottom line: it’s a ridiculous compilation of academic gobbledygook that ultimately seeks to defend and normalize incest as commonplace and acceptable."

How closed minded of you not to accept the nurturing basis of incest.
But then you are not a pedophile.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 11:37:38 AM   
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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 11:39:02 AM   
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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 11:57:03 AM   
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I don't think "Film as Literature" mean to study works of literature that have been filmed. Rather, it's a recognition of the major role film plays in the past century and that we can study it similarly to studying stories, poems, plays, and novels.
Not according to the course description above.

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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 11:59:43 AM   
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RE: 12 dead in Paris - 1/12/2015 12:04:01 PM   
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I don't think "Film as Literature" mean to study works of literature that have been filmed. Rather, it's a recognition of the major role film plays in the past century and that we can study it similarly to studying stories, poems, plays, and novels.
Not according to the course description above.


Sounds more to me like there's a running Film as Lit course that, this term, is being approached from a green standpoint.

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