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bounty44 -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 2:22:44 PM)
just read this heading on a blog and totally believe it. its insightful and kind of a bottom line: "If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel." "gaza death camps?" Rupert Murdoch "calls for death for all muslims?" what? and you want to be taken seriously?

vincentML -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 3:03:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 just read this heading on a blog and totally believe it. its insightful and kind of a bottom line: "If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel." "gaza death camps?" Rupert Murdoch "calls for death for all muslims?" what? and you want to be taken seriously? The Arabs have no weapons to lay down in Palestine, except sticks and stones. Since 2008 Gaza has been surrounded by an Israeli concentration camp fence and sniper towers. Gazan fisherman have been limited to trawl no further than 3.0 km into the sea, and imports have been severely limited by the Israeli who monitor the skies night and day with death dealing drones and f-16 fighter jets. Even the caloric intake of Palestinians is controlled by Tel Aviv. This winter children died because they were required to live in unheated tents next to their bombed out homes. Sounds like a death camp to me. quote: Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognize and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible. As tweeted by Murdoch. How else to hold them responsible? What did he have in mind? Traffic tickets?

bounty44 -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 3:05:36 PM)
oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. the contemporary understanding of "Palestinian" that liberals like to use, solely referencing the arabs who live there, was actually a creation by the PLO as a way to create further support in their battle with Israel and to get the uninitiated to believe they (the Palestinians) were rightful owners (heirs even) of the land and were being invaded/inhabited by the jews. the majority of arabs living in the area today are descendants from relatively recent immigrations to it from neighboring muslim countries.

vincentML -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 3:10:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. the contemporary understanding of "Palestinian" that liberals like to use, solely referencing the arabs who live there, was actually a creation by the PLO as a way to create further support in their battle with Israel and to get the uninitiated to believe they (the Palestinians) were rightful owners (heirs even) of the land and were being invaded/inhabited by the jews. the majority of arabs living in the area today are descendants from relatively recent immigrations to it from neighboring muslim countries. In 1947 90% of the land was occupied by 67% Palestinian population. Only the British Mandate stood in the way of realizing a national home for the Palestinians cut out of the Ottoman Empire.

vincentML -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 3:12:07 PM)
quote: oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. However often you repeat that Lie, it will not become true.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 3:13:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. the contemporary understanding of "Palestinian" that liberals like to use, solely referencing the arabs who live there, was actually a creation by the PLO as a way to create further support in their battle with Israel and to get the uninitiated to believe they (the Palestinians) were rightful owners (heirs even) of the land and were being invaded/inhabited by the jews. the majority of arabs living in the area today are descendants from relatively recent immigrations to it from neighboring muslim countries. Actually, if you look at maps that are more than 60 or so years old there was a nation called "Palestine". If there is or was historically recently a nation known as "Palestine" then it follows that there are people who would identify as "Palestinian" if their ancestors had inhabited this region. You appear to be incorrect no matter what FOX says.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 3:14:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Here's one UK report on the massacre in Nigeria: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/witnesses-claim-2000-people-were-killed-in-a-boko-haram-assault-that-destroyed-a-town-9969252.html This appalling act of barbarism seems to have stayed more or less completely under the radar in the West, overshadowed by the events in Paris. This is but one measure of the contempt and disregard the West has for non-Western lives. There are no Muslim armies in Western lands, there are Western armies in Muslim lands. Precisely who is the aggressor? You bring up an example of a militant Islam group (Boko Haram), go on an anti-Israel rant (no one saw that coming [8\|]) and then end up bashing "the West" as aggressors for having armies in Muslim lands. I, for one, want to change my New Year's wishes to include the disappearance of militant religious groups from the face of the Earth. We'd all live much happier and safer for it.

vincentML -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 4:14:32 PM)
quote: oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. There is of course no such entity as the ‘Jewish People’. It is a fictitious device, the idea of a Jewish Race. And this Jewish Nation/Race, which may live in London or Berlin, is entitled to rent this land but not the indigenous Arabs of Israel. What is amazing is that there are some people who continue to pretend that this is not racist At issue was a case before the Israeli Supreme Court regarding the right of exclusion of undesirable elements (Palestinians) to buy a home in a Jewish village under the discriminatory Community Acceptance Law More: In order that people are not deceived by the talk of ‘the Jewish people’s inalienable right to its land’ rhetoric, imagine if in Britain 93% of land was restricted to Christians and non-Jews. There would be an uproar, cries of anti-Semitism would carry far and wide, but the JNF has the audacity to pretend that this is a mere cultural left over from the days of establishing the Israeli state. Indeed it says that ‘Every nation deserves to have a country of its own, the Jewish People included. In the sixth decade of its existence, the State of Israel is still in a process of formation. A state in the process of formation has a moral right to take extraordinary measures to ensure its future existence.’ This is an admission that Israel is still a settler-colonial state involved in a continuing battle with its indigenous population. Clearly the rights of Israeli Arabs don’t get a mention, hence the need for ‘extraordinary measures’. Israel continues to isolate and marginalize the Palestinians by expropriating their land and surrounding them with Jewish-exclusive settlements and highways available only to Jewish vehicles. Is that not apartheid? Of course it is. The Israeli government has developed more 'legal' weapons than all the sticks and stones available to the Palestinians.

BitYakin -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 5:07:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. the contemporary understanding of "Palestinian" that liberals like to use, solely referencing the arabs who live there, was actually a creation by the PLO as a way to create further support in their battle with Israel and to get the uninitiated to believe they (the Palestinians) were rightful owners (heirs even) of the land and were being invaded/inhabited by the jews. the majority of arabs living in the area today are descendants from relatively recent immigrations to it from neighboring muslim countries. Actually, if you look at maps that are more than 60 or so years old there was a nation called "Palestine". If there is or was historically recently a nation known as "Palestine" then it follows that there are people who would identify as "Palestinian" if their ancestors had inhabited this region. You appear to be incorrect no matter what FOX says. could you please provide a link to one of the maps you refer to? every map I have seen that shows Palestine on it, shows it as a HUGE area encompassing what is now apox 4 - 6 nations, thus making it a region not a nation... your post implies there is no distinction between races that occupy a region... example: there are no Chinese or Japanese they are all just Asian an ya know what that's ok, I am perfectly willing to accept that way of seeing thing, so long as you answer a question for me. why is it the Palestinains aren't fighting for the return of ALL of Palestine and not just the tiny part of it known as Israel?

Zonie63 -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/12/2015 6:52:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. the contemporary understanding of "Palestinian" that liberals like to use, solely referencing the arabs who live there, was actually a creation by the PLO as a way to create further support in their battle with Israel and to get the uninitiated to believe they (the Palestinians) were rightful owners (heirs even) of the land and were being invaded/inhabited by the jews. the majority of arabs living in the area today are descendants from relatively recent immigrations to it from neighboring muslim countries. Actually, if you look at maps that are more than 60 or so years old there was a nation called "Palestine". If there is or was historically recently a nation known as "Palestine" then it follows that there are people who would identify as "Palestinian" if their ancestors had inhabited this region. You appear to be incorrect no matter what FOX says. could you please provide a link to one of the maps you refer to? every map I have seen that shows Palestine on it, shows it as a HUGE area encompassing what is now apox 4 - 6 nations, thus making it a region not a nation... your post implies there is no distinction between races that occupy a region... example: there are no Chinese or Japanese they are all just Asian an ya know what that's ok, I am perfectly willing to accept that way of seeing thing, so long as you answer a question for me. why is it the Palestinains aren't fighting for the return of ALL of Palestine and not just the tiny part of it known as Israel? Here's a map from 1919: [image]http://www.sheltonstate.edu/Uploads/files/faculty/Chuck%20Boening/western%20civ/Middle%20East%20%281919%29.jpg[/image] Looks like Palestine is there. Which 4-6 nations are you referring to that are/were carved out of the area known as "Palestine" on this map?

tweakabelle -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 1:02:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Here's one UK report on the massacre in Nigeria: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/witnesses-claim-2000-people-were-killed-in-a-boko-haram-assault-that-destroyed-a-town-9969252.html This appalling act of barbarism seems to have stayed more or less completely under the radar in the West, overshadowed by the events in Paris. This is but one measure of the contempt and disregard the West has for non-Western lives. There are no Muslim armies in Western lands, there are Western armies in Muslim lands. Precisely who is the aggressor? You bring up an example of a militant Islam group (Boko Haram), go on an anti-Israel rant (no one saw that coming [8\|]) and then end up bashing "the West" as aggressors for having armies in Muslim lands. I, for one, want to change my New Year's wishes to include the disappearance of militant religious groups from the face of the Earth. We'd all live much happier and safer for it. I'm glad that we agree that the world would be a far better place following the " the disappearance of [all] militant religious groups". No doubt about that at all from where I sit. As regards the logical order of my post, I was responding to the OP, which travelled about a bit as others have noted above. If you are seeking an underlying order connecting the various points then the different values placed on Western and non-Western lives is one theme that ties the points together. For example, I referenced: Boko Haram kills a couple of thousand and there's barely a word in the Western media. 17 die in Paris and there's howls of (perfectly justified) outrage. The Israelis can butcher c2000 Palestinians (overwhelmingly civilians) in a few weeks of intense, virtually indiscriminate bombing in Gaza and Western leaders choose to focus on Israel's right to "self-defence", not the slaughter. The sight of Bibi Netanyahoo - who ordered and led the slaughter - posing as a defender of human rights is repulsive yet escapes any kind of critical mention in the Western media. * In our anger at appalling terrorist acts committed against the West, we tend to overlook the fact that our armies are in their lands and that there are no Muslim armies occupying Western lands. Also omitted from the conversation is the point that had our armies not been in their lands, they might not have reacted by bombing Western cities. The kinds of double standards listed above permeate the discussion of these issues. It is relevant and necessary to draw attention to them and hope for a more balanced discussion of the issues. Currently Western behaviour is part of the problem, not the solution. The West is not the blameless victim, it is an active player and one of the causal factors. If we are serious about seeking a just fair resolution of these issues, then it is incumbent upon us to change our behaviours as part of that solution. There are a lot of changes that the Arab/Muslim world must undergo too, but it is up to us to get our own house in order before we start pointing out the flaws or demanding changes in others' houses. Don't you agree?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 3:08:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Here's one UK report on the massacre in Nigeria: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/witnesses-claim-2000-people-were-killed-in-a-boko-haram-assault-that-destroyed-a-town-9969252.html This appalling act of barbarism seems to have stayed more or less completely under the radar in the West, overshadowed by the events in Paris. This is but one measure of the contempt and disregard the West has for non-Western lives. There are no Muslim armies in Western lands, there are Western armies in Muslim lands. Precisely who is the aggressor? You bring up an example of a militant Islam group (Boko Haram), go on an anti-Israel rant (no one saw that coming [8\|]) and then end up bashing "the West" as aggressors for having armies in Muslim lands. I, for one, want to change my New Year's wishes to include the disappearance of militant religious groups from the face of the Earth. We'd all live much happier and safer for it. I'm glad that we agree that the world would be a far better place following the " the disappearance of [all] militant religious groups". No doubt about that at all from where I sit. I didn't include the word "all" in m post because it was inferred by the lack of modifiers. And, yes, I did mean, ALL militant religious groups. quote: As regards the logical order of my post, I was responding to the OP, which travelled about a bit as others have noted above. If you are seeking an underlying order connecting the various points then the different values placed on Western and non-Western lives is one theme that ties the points together. For example, I referenced: Boko Haram kills a couple of thousand and there's barely a word in the Western media. 17 die in Paris and there's howls of (perfectly justified) outrage. The Israelis can butcher c2000 Palestinians (overwhelmingly civilians) in a few weeks of intense, virtually indiscriminate bombing in Gaza and Western leaders choose to focus on Israel's right to "self-defence", not the slaughter. The sight of Bibi Netanyahoo - who ordered and led the slaughter - posing as a defender of human rights is repulsive yet escapes any kind of critical mention in the Western media. * In our anger at appalling terrorist acts committed against the West, we tend to overlook the fact that our armies are in their lands and that there are no Muslim armies occupying Western lands. Also omitted from the conversation is the point that had our armies not been in their lands, they might not have reacted by bombing Western cities. The kinds of double standards listed above permeate the discussion of these issues. It is relevant and necessary to draw attention to them and hope for a more balanced discussion of the issues. Currently Western behaviour is part of the problem, not the solution. The West is not the blameless victim, it is an active player and one of the causal factors. If we are serious about seeking a just fair resolution of these issues, then it is incumbent upon us to change our behaviours as part of that solution. There are a lot of changes that the Arab/Muslim world must undergo too, but it is up to us to get our own house in order before we start pointing out the flaws or demanding changes in others' houses. Don't you agree? A UN-sanctioned military force was in Afghanistan in response to the 9/11 attacks. Does that make the UN-sanctioned military force the aggressor, even though it was in response to an action by a group hiding in Afghanistan? Are we the aggressor in South Korea, since we have a military presence there? How many "armies" in Muslim countries are "blue hats?" Are they, then, the aggressors simply because they are there? The US (the only part of "the West" I'm commenting on in this statement) has been a causal factor for a lot of shit that's gone down. Some of it, I'm even willing to bet has been intended, while some of it I'm willing to bet has been unintended consequences of good intentions. And, in case you've missed it (would have had to be willful, mind you), I'm all for pulling out of the Middle East. I've stated before that as long as Middle Eastern countries don't fuck with Israel, the US should leave them all alone. I know that bugs the shit out of you, but, you'll just have to deal with that.

vincentML -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 8:45:00 AM)
quote: an ya know what that's ok, I am perfectly willing to accept that way of seeing thing, so long as you answer a question for me. why is it the Palestinains aren't fighting for the return of ALL of Palestine and not just the tiny part of it known as Israel? A false premise on your part. In 1947 more than half the Palestinian land was gifted to Zion. The Arab nations objected. They have been ever since castigated for 'refusing a good deal.' What a monumental historical joke! The great lie continues as part of the founding myth of Israel. Forever the Arabs have been at fault for rejecting the partition of their land. Just amazing you buy into that propaganda.

vincentML -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 8:54:00 AM)
quote: And, in case you've missed it (would have had to be willful, mind you), I'm all for pulling out of the Middle East. I've stated before that as long as Middle Eastern countries don't fuck with Israel, the US should leave them all alone. I know that bugs the shit out of you, but, you'll just have to deal with that. That is a big IF or 'as long as' on your part, DS. Why should Israel enjoy special protection for its colonization and stealing Arab land? The process continues today under US approval. Additionally, I wonder, how have the American people been duped into accepting the false righteousness of the Israeli position?

Zonie63 -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 9:58:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Why should Israel enjoy special protection for its colonization and stealing Arab land? The process continues today under US approval. Additionally, I wonder, how have the American people been duped into accepting the false righteousness of the Israeli position? I think the American people were duped on a lot of things. It was probably easier during the Cold War when Israel's enemies were perceived as pro-Soviet (although that perception may have been part of the overall "dupe"). I've also heard from those who take a great interest in Bible prophecy that it's "God's will" that America support Israel at all costs. It is the "Holy Land" after all. Then there's the argument that "Israel is a democracy" which falls in line with the stated foreign policy objective of "making the world safe for democracy." On a practical level, we may be stuck between a rock and a hard place. I actually agree with DS that we'd be better off if we pulled out of the Middle East entirely. But now that we've been there for so long, the fat's in the fire and it's all the more difficult to pull out. 20/20 hindsight, but we never should have gotten involved in that region in the first place. But now that we have, we've painted ourselves into a corner. We'd rather go to war than admit to a mistake.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 1:06:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. the contemporary understanding of "Palestinian" that liberals like to use, solely referencing the arabs who live there, was actually a creation by the PLO as a way to create further support in their battle with Israel and to get the uninitiated to believe they (the Palestinians) were rightful owners (heirs even) of the land and were being invaded/inhabited by the jews. the majority of arabs living in the area today are descendants from relatively recent immigrations to it from neighboring muslim countries. Actually, if you look at maps that are more than 60 or so years old there was a nation called "Palestine". If there is or was historically recently a nation known as "Palestine" then it follows that there are people who would identify as "Palestinian" if their ancestors had inhabited this region. You appear to be incorrect no matter what FOX says. could you please provide a link to one of the maps you refer to? every map I have seen that shows Palestine on it, shows it as a HUGE area encompassing what is now apox 4 - 6 nations, thus making it a region not a nation... your post implies there is no distinction between races that occupy a region... example: there are no Chinese or Japanese they are all just Asian an ya know what that's ok, I am perfectly willing to accept that way of seeing thing, so long as you answer a question for me. why is it the Palestinains aren't fighting for the return of ALL of Palestine and not just the tiny part of it known as Israel? Here's a map from 1919: [image]http://www.sheltonstate.edu/Uploads/files/faculty/Chuck%20Boening/western%20civ/Middle%20East%20%281919%29.jpg[/image] Looks like Palestine is there. Which 4-6 nations are you referring to that are/were carved out of the area known as "Palestine" on this map? Ya beat me to it. There are several but this one is as good as any.

vincentML -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 2:44:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Why should Israel enjoy special protection for its colonization and stealing Arab land? The process continues today under US approval. Additionally, I wonder, how have the American people been duped into accepting the false righteousness of the Israeli position? I think the American people were duped on a lot of things. It was probably easier during the Cold War when Israel's enemies were perceived as pro-Soviet (although that perception may have been part of the overall "dupe"). I've also heard from those who take a great interest in Bible prophecy that it's "God's will" that America support Israel at all costs. It is the "Holy Land" after all. Then there's the argument that "Israel is a democracy" which falls in line with the stated foreign policy objective of "making the world safe for democracy." On a practical level, we may be stuck between a rock and a hard place. I actually agree with DS that we'd be better off if we pulled out of the Middle East entirely. But now that we've been there for so long, the fat's in the fire and it's all the more difficult to pull out. 20/20 hindsight, but we never should have gotten involved in that region in the first place. But now that we have, we've painted ourselves into a corner. We'd rather go to war than admit to a mistake. Zonie, the first rule for getting out of a hole is to stop digging. The second rule is to stop taking Israeli propaganda as solemn gospel.

BitYakin -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 4:07:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 oh and, there is no "Palestine" as a nation-state really, or Palestinian people per se...Palestine is historical geographical area and it can be used in reference refer to ALL people who were born and live there. the contemporary understanding of "Palestinian" that liberals like to use, solely referencing the arabs who live there, was actually a creation by the PLO as a way to create further support in their battle with Israel and to get the uninitiated to believe they (the Palestinians) were rightful owners (heirs even) of the land and were being invaded/inhabited by the jews. the majority of arabs living in the area today are descendants from relatively recent immigrations to it from neighboring muslim countries. Actually, if you look at maps that are more than 60 or so years old there was a nation called "Palestine". If there is or was historically recently a nation known as "Palestine" then it follows that there are people who would identify as "Palestinian" if their ancestors had inhabited this region. You appear to be incorrect no matter what FOX says. could you please provide a link to one of the maps you refer to? every map I have seen that shows Palestine on it, shows it as a HUGE area encompassing what is now apox 4 - 6 nations, thus making it a region not a nation... your post implies there is no distinction between races that occupy a region... example: there are no Chinese or Japanese they are all just Asian an ya know what that's ok, I am perfectly willing to accept that way of seeing thing, so long as you answer a question for me. why is it the Palestinains aren't fighting for the return of ALL of Palestine and not just the tiny part of it known as Israel? Here's a map from 1919: [image]http://www.sheltonstate.edu/Uploads/files/faculty/Chuck%20Boening/western%20civ/Middle%20East%20%281919%29.jpg[/image] Looks like Palestine is there. Which 4-6 nations are you referring to that are/were carved out of the area known as "Palestine" on this map? Ya beat me to it. There are several but this one is as good as any. actually its a horrible example since the color code shows all borders are part of PROPOSED mandates, not actual borders at the time, this one on the other hand is about borders... notice inside the area outlined there is no country named Palestine? and if you like I can easily find 30 or 40 more just like it, in multiple languages... you feel free to sow me the ONE you know of that shows Palestine as a country, as opposed to a PROPOSAL [image]local://upfiles/183945/5DBE80B0B5164943BB5F3E6B898D8246.jpg[/image]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 5:58:26 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Authority " the United Nations voted to recognize Palestine as a non-member UN observer state." It is recognized as a state at this time. Another, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine#Ancient_period "Today, the region comprises the State of Israel and Palestinian territories in which the State of Palestine was declared" There have been people who refer to themselves as "Palestinians" since Biblical times.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Kim Jung Un let us down!!! (1/13/2015 8:54:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 just read this heading on a blog and totally believe it. its insightful and kind of a bottom line: "If the Arabs put down their weapons today, there would be no more violence. If the Jews put down their weapons today, there would be no more Israel." "gaza death camps?" Rupert Murdoch "calls for death for all muslims?" what? and you want to be taken seriously? I believe that's actually a Netanyahu quote. I found another one that's interesting, when we ponder the "existence" of Israel and the "existence" of Palestine: quote: ORIGINAL: Zahir Muhse'in "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel. For our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of Palestinian people, since Arab national interest demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism". Michael

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