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orgasmdenial12 -> The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 12:24:48 AM)

I've been hearing this expression recently and have had reason to think about it myself. I was curious to know what knowledge or opinions everyone had on this concept?




PandoraFoxxx -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 12:26:49 AM)

This is the first time I have ever heard of this "sounds like something you just made up" word/term.

I don't get out much, though, in my defense [:)]




CreativeDominant -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 12:48:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

I've been hearing this expression recently and have had reason to think about it myself. I was curious to know what knowledge or opinions everyone had on this concept?

Are you referring to things like the popularity of the 50 Shades Trilogy and the upcoming movie? (Has anyone else seen that Corny-ass ad where a blindfold is being placed on her face and a disembodied voice asks...are you ready? Placed...not put on her head but rather like a gift).
Relationships where the power delineation is blurred?





NookieNotes -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 2:04:26 AM)

None. I have no idea what it means, and it smacks of Won Twoo Wayism.




needlesandpins -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 3:23:45 AM)

these things will always go in waves. there was probably the same sort of thing going on when Secretary came out, just as you get those that are heavily into latex/rubber complaining about it being made mainstream because all the pop princess' are wearing it, and you can buy it on the high st.

it will all blow over, and those of us that have it in our blood will still be here, those that play about at it for a bit will disappear, and those that actually find they are the kinky freaks they thought they were will join us with smiles on their faces.

needles




DarkSteven -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 3:41:36 AM)

Back in MY day, we did kink right! Not like nowadays. All these younguns who have no respect for the kink itself. They've vanillarified it! Now get off my lawn!

That's my take. "My kink is not your kink and I'm going to be a right jerk about it."




ResidentSadist -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 4:47:11 AM)

Shouldn't it be Vanillafication not Vanillarisation?

Seriously though, I have trouble with your OP because it seems contrary in terms. If it's vanilla it's not kink, so you can't vanillafy it. I have heard lots of talk about how 50 Shades has brought kink closer to mainstream... or at least brought some of the vanilla thrill seekers into the world of kink. But making something popular doesn't un-kink it and make it vanilla.




satanscharmer -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 5:30:12 AM)

Seems kind of like:
"I love cherry ice cream. It's different than vanilla and chocolate, not many people have it. It tastes so good."
Then, cherry ice cream starts selling out and becomes widely popular.
"Ugh. Everyone likes cherry ice cream. It doesn't taste good anymore".




CreativeDominant -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 7:34:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

None. I have no idea what it means, and it smacks of Won Twoo Wayism.

I agree that it does. Those are the two biggest complaints along the lines of what we do "becoming vanilla" in talking to other kinky folks and having seen them on previous threads. That's why I asked if that's what the Op meant before saying anything further.







Gauge -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 9:58:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Back in MY day, we did kink right! Not like nowadays. All these younguns who have no respect for the kink itself. They've vanillarified it! Now get off my lawn!




Why, in kink school, we had to walk 10 miles, uphill... both ways, in the snow, with no shoes, and when we got home, we had to eat a handful of dry poison for dinner. Then we had to wake up two hours before we went to bed and do it all over again. These whipersnappers don't know the meaning of kink and how rough we had it.


*Ahem*

Every now and then you hear that kink is losing its meaning or being watered down. No one is ever sure what that means exactly... but it makes for an interesting, if not overdone conversation.


Edited to add more humorous content because old age made me forget to put it in there before.




needlesandpins -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 10:18:31 AM)

I like what I do just because it suits me, and, as a friend once put it, I'm a kinky bitch. what anyone else does is their business, and does not affect how I am as a person.

I'm a Goth too, have been since the eighties, and I didn't get all whaaaaa about it just because it became popular with the kids again. in fact for me it was rather cool as it means that my son is in to all the same music as me, and I don't have to listen to a load of shyte I don't like instead. I didn't become a Goth just to piss off my parents, that was an added bonus [:D] I didn't become kinky, and in to BDSM to be edgy, and different to everyone else. it's just the way I am. I'm not going to stop just because a few 'nillas got their tickle on.

it's a free world isn't it?

DarkSteven, and Gauge, you two made me chuckle [:D]

needles




camille65 -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 10:46:38 AM)

FR

Meh people who declare themselves kinky or into BDSM haven't a corner on the market.




Bhruic -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 11:55:52 AM)

I take it to mean the growing popularity and acceptance of kink by what has been traditionally viewed as the Vanilla world.

I definitely think it is happening, and I think it is a very good thing.

There is a certain contingent of the community that consider their participation in BDSM somehow makes them special and unique... They may not like it.




DerangedUnit -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 12:09:37 PM)

Bettie page died still locked up in a mental institute, and hell even I'm a certified sexual deviant... it's odd considering a couple hundred years ago women were lobotomized for hysteria (which is just a word doctors gave for the woman's problem of being grumpy because they weren't getting off)... so kinksters should be happy they aren't being locked up and tortured for having unusual sex lives. I can see both the good and the bad, I think this trend is just a result of continuing moral decay... just another generation saying "how bad can is be" so wahoo we aren't being locked up anymore.... shoot, neither is anyone else.




NookieNotes -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 12:25:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DerangedUnit

Bettie page died still locked up in a mental institute


This is not what I know of her life. She dies in a hospital, yes. Of a heart attack.

She was also in a mental institution (20 months, I believe? I'd have to look this up) earlier in life for schitzophrenia. Not related to BDSM.

So, I'm not sure how this applies.

Unless my facts are very wrong. I had a BF VERY VERY into Bettie. I picked up a few things.




DerangedUnit -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 12:38:45 PM)

Could be, I didn't have any friends into her just going off what the interwebs told me. I thought she was transfered out of the mental hospital in a coma to have her family pull the plug... but don't remember where I got the info so it might not have been a reliable source.




Musicmystery -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 1:07:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

Won Twoo Wayism.

Wasn't he in a lot of martial arts films?

Gives new meaning to Enter the Dragon.




orgasmdenial12 -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 1:31:16 PM)

It's interesting what everyone is saying about one twoo wayism. Actually, I guess I'm at the other end of the argument.

I recently had a protracted discussion (argument) with someone who said that anything more than 'roleplay' was dysfunctional, abusive, oppressive and non-consensual. They stated that any relationship without a safeword was abusive. They believed that all BDSM relationships should be 'healthy' and 'empowering', in a 'loving', 'respectful' and 'supportive' relationship where the submissive should be free to negotiate and even insist on the dynamic and rules that they most liked, to the extent that if a Dom initiated a situation that the submissive found difficult or frustrating, the submissive should decline to obey and renegotiate the dynamic to their own liking.

Now, obviously, everything we do is consensual and to that extent we are free to choose, negotiate and define our own relationships. But the comments of this person suggested that actively wanting things such as suffering, humiliation, degradation, objectification, cuckolding, punishment, pain, TPE, CNC were, de facto, abuse and thus not real BDSM. I maintain that there is nothing wrong with a desire to suffer, that such a desire is commonly known as masochism and that masochism is acceptable within the BDSM community. I also maintain that dynamics such as TPE, M/s and CNC which may or may not utilise safewords are a common and accepted part of BDSM. I also think it is inappropriate to insist that everyone should prefer traditional relationship structures, at risk of being labelled 'abusive' if, for example, one prefers a relationship in which love is not the main motivating factor and which may even be termed 'disrespectful' in terms of humiliation play or knowingly including other partners, either to cuckold one partner or loan one's partner to another dominant (if consensual, of course).

It seems to me that, in some ways, BDSM is being redefined as, almost, a vanilla-style relationship with a roleplay of power or mild s&m that never goes beyond certain boundaries. Now of course I have no issue at all with love, support, empowerment, respect, safewords or anything else that people in BDSM relationships enjoy. But to insist that these things *must* be a part of BDSM relationships and that any relationship that did not meet these criteria was abusive seems to me judgemental and misguided.

I feel like we're back at a question that's been going for over 100 years. Is the desire to suffer and be dominated simply a different kind of sexuality, or is it a sign of deeper mental health issues that cannot be accepted even by the BDSM community?

Must all BDSM relationships, at heart, be based on traditionally 'healthy' activities or do we in the scene accept the darker side of some sexualities, within the boundaries of consent and a basic avoidance of serious harm?

Are the edgier aspects of BDSM being chiselled away by those who would make the scene more palatable to vanilla adventurers? And, ultimately, will this result in the reinvention of a niche separate from the mainstream BDSM, remaining controversial, such as those who engage in breath play, or play without safewords, etc?

Hope this clarifies my question somewhat.





Musicmystery -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 1:50:39 PM)

Why would what any other couple or couples think or do effect what my girl and I do and how we live in any way?





GoddessManko -> RE: The Vanillarisation of Kink? (1/21/2015 2:55:17 PM)

FR I saw a vintage photograph of a woman with steel pipes around her neck, wrists and ankles, huge ones. Her legs were well behind her back. I saw another with a hooded sub tied in a doggy position over a bed of nails and an anal hood tied to her wisps of hair from under the hood.
It took me back to the vintage bdsm movies I used to watch where my favorites where a woman dressed as a secretary tied to a chair. Those still are my favorites because of the authentic feel you get from them. Nylon stockings, pearls and all and her eyes and mouth were pried agape with tiny hooks, Sort of like Chatterer from Hellraiser. The Dom would slowly cut the clothes off her with scissors and she would also be wearing cotton whites and a satin bra. He would stop there and sort of tease her a bit and I thought it was quite erotic. I think there has been a shift from the old to the new. But I don't think it's a bad thing. My fascination with metal turned to one with wood and rope. I believe some kinks have become more mainstream while others are somewhat of a forgotten art if that makes sense. I think it's a good idea for most people to play in the safe zone unless they really have complete confidence in themselves and their subs and respect limits. I think most who are into shibari are also into acro yoga.




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