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Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 1/27/2015 6:05:44 PM   
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Will start with some history to help with the current situation. To start, please forgive me if my verbiage is not accurate, it has been a long time since I have come to a forum for guidance. For the past 14 years I have chosen committed relationships only. For 5 of those years I chose to be single and celibate (don't fall for the pastor's son who is 10 years younger than you) minus a very vanilla one night stand. The last boyfriend I had was great at understanding what I wanted in bed and he was completely satisfied as well (problems were with core values). I like hair pulling, biting, choking, spanking, lightly paddled, being tied down in various ways, being tossed around like a rag doll, inanimate toys are very welcome... Not fond of anal (tear easily even with experienced partners), nor fisting (the thumb never goes, it hurts), stuffing is okay with moderation. All of these things were experienced with committed partners in past 14 years. Pre-mommy-era (aka beyond 14 years ago) I was very promiscuous. Stayed single and had several play mates. Served as a toy, saught the toy, served as a slave, and as a mistress, been the submissive and been the dominant... I have been able to control kegal and lower tummy muscles quite well (individually, all together, and in a milking/rolling motion) since before I could drive. My swinger friends made statements about how I was made of gold. Was told that I was rather talented with oral pleasure for both sexes as well... Recently a couple friends I have known for about a year learned that I was single and knew of my past. They are a man and woman who have lived together for 7 years with an open relationship. They invited me into their bed, either with him or both of them, unclear as to if being with only her is acceptable (but I think it will be). It took me a few days to decide if I wanted to reenter that life style, but I decided to go for it. Didn't take much convincing. Which leads me to my need for advise. I know that we should of established ground rules and discussed likes/needs before this began... But for the first time ever, heat of the moment got in the way and has been a reoccurring issue. So far she has not been able to join us with balancing work and children's needs making it impossible. Which also means that I have not been able to get her advise on this yet, or watch what she does. She and I have a girls day planned (the clothes included kind) in a few weeks, but I would like some tips before then. I am naturally submissive to men, and naturally dominant to woman, but can switch/roll play with ease... Until now. With him there are often lots of inanimate toys involved and vaginal penetration from him is rare if ever. He is naturally dominant, but so is the woman he lives with. He has coached me through how hard he likes to be bit. I have asked him to guide my hands to finding his erogenous zones, but he hasn't shown me anything I didn't know already. However in the act of oral, me using my hands, or me fondling while he masturbates he often asks for it to be harder. It is almost like he can't climax unless I am causing him pain in some way. I have always considered myself pretty well skilled and am at a loss as to what to do. He invites me back, seems to enjoy it, and always reaches climax, but I don't feel like I fully satisfying him. He has shown me photos that show he enjoys anal penetration but I seem to have misplaced my strap on... And he hasn't asked for it either. I am feeling too vanilla... Please share any advice you have, or practices you have mastered for men like this! Thank you!

P.S. Yes I know it is my own fault for not setting ground rules or making a contract... Please don't scold me for it. :)
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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 1/27/2015 8:50:55 PM   
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You're both learning. That's the key.

Ask yourself what you're learning, though. He wants anal penetration, and your commentary on this is that you've lost your strap-on. Is a strap on what he wants? A finger, maybe? Rimming? Are you uncomfortable with this?

I point this out because of the tone of your response. You already mentioned the "heat of the moment". That comes and goes, but there are many hours of the day outside the bedroom. What do you discuss then? How do you both feel about it? How is it approached, how do you express your feelings to one another about it?

If the sex is a problem, step back from it. Spend "non-fucking" time getting to better understand one another, so that you both fully appreciate where the other person is coming from. The day out with his other sub seems like a good opportunity for this; perhaps the same with him would also help you out.

We can give you pointers and options, but the meat of the matter lies between you and him. Take some time for yourself to work out the questions and feelings you have, then make the time with him to express it with no sex involved. It's the best way for both of you to be open and communicate honestly. Without that foundation, you won't move forward very much.

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 1/30/2015 9:22:23 AM   
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I think you should keep it light and playful and explore. If he enjoys pain, inflict it. But if you feel like you're doing anything outside your comfort zone you should withdraw. Exploration is part of the fun. I too have been celibate and done kegels for a long time as well as read the kama sutra, books on tantric sex etc. Some people can climax with light flogging alone. It might be strange to you but extremely satisfying for them. Maybe incorporating light cbt will tell you if indeed he likes a bit of pain in order to climax and maybe he has bottoming tendencies.

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 1/30/2015 10:19:57 AM   
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FR~

I'm sorry, I tried hard, I really did. I got to the 3rd line and my eyes just blurred.
I just can't get through that wall of text.

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 1/30/2015 12:39:34 PM   
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quote:

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FR~

I'm sorry, I tried hard, I really did. I got to the 3rd line and my eyes just blurred.
I just can't get through that wall of text.


Maybe that's her way of making it rough for him...

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 1/30/2015 2:02:06 PM   
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quote:

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FR~

I'm sorry, I tried hard, I really did. I got to the 3rd line and my eyes just blurred.
I just can't get through that wall of text.


I tried skimming, it didn't work any better. My eyes hurt.

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 1/30/2015 3:51:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
FR~
I'm sorry, I tried hard, I really did. I got to the 3rd line and my eyes just blurred.
I just can't get through that wall of text.

Maybe that's her way of making it rough for him...

As well as harder on the rest of us...

FWIW, I had to reread this thrice.

And how in blue blazes do you misplace a strap-on???
(That must have been rough on the last guy.)

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 2/1/2015 10:22:23 AM   
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Good sex is rare..I have had it but with three people in my life time and I choose wisely and always the crazy ones in some ways

i am not sure what you are asking; a man’s most erogenous zone is his prostrate gland *but i cannot help think you jam things up in that general direction: a finger, a vibrator, strap on kitchen sink, Sherman tank*

Or are you asking how you should fondle a cok
Or are you asking why he will not penetrate you with his man parts
Or why his wife is glad for the distraction and will not ravish your very being
Come over I will teach you – although your brain sprockets would implode and your mind, and body and soul would melt
Not many people can be taught they simply are

If you proffer him more than a half decent draining he should return the favor

As for the penetration thing I would generally avoid doing it with people I did not like or who were damaged and vulnerable…they are already broken it would not be fair from to drown their whole essence and break them further

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 2/1/2015 6:03:40 PM   
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Yes, his prostate, but other areas have a high amount of nerve endings, pretty consistent with every man.

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 2/12/2015 11:06:58 AM   
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ASK HIM. Tell him you don't feel you're fully satisfying and ask what you can do to make his experience better. If he gives a general answer like "be rougher" ask him to be more specific. Ask him to be more verbal and commanding during sex. If he can't/won't do that, he'll have to live with what he's getting.

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 2/12/2015 8:49:37 PM   
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OK . . I had to copy the OP, make paragraphs and take notes to get the point. I share those notes to spare other readers the blurry wall of text syndrome.

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prior to 14 years ago = slut
past 14 years = committed relationships
5 of those years = single/celibate
. . . wait, that's really 9 years = committed relationships/5 years = celibate
Oh, and the slutyness made a reprise for a 1 night stand

Likes hair pulling, biting, choking, spanking, lightly paddled, being tied down
Doesn't like anal or fisting
Kegals = tight snatch
Swingers say = good blowjobs either sex
Served as a toy, slave, submissive and been the dominant/mistress

A poly couple invites her for sex
She goes for it and her and the guy are banging uglies
Schedule hasn't allowed fem half of couple to join yet

and now the question: it's "like he can't climax unless I am causing him pain in some way. She doesn't feel like she fully satisfying him. He has shown me photos that show he enjoys anal penetration but I seem to have misplaced my strap on..."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OK, so you got pride and a history of suck-sess with other people. His thresholds are different. My advice is, blow him harder, grab his balls, stick a finger or fist or lamp up his ass while you blow him if that's what it takes for him to feel it on his level. If blowing him requires a weed whacker and a cactus, you want to seek someone that plays more in your threshold range.

And as someone else noted, how the hell do you lose a strap on?


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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 2/13/2015 2:29:54 AM   
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And as someone else noted, how the hell do you lose a strap on?



Obviously you never met my ex-wife's lawyer.

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 2/13/2015 2:25:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

OK . . I had to copy the OP, make paragraphs and take notes to get the point. I share those notes to spare other readers the blurry wall of text syndrome.


Thank you so much.



quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
prior to 14 years ago = slut
past 14 years = committed relationships
5 of those years = single/celibate
. . . wait, that's really 9 years = committed relationships/5 years = celibate
Oh, and the slutyness made a reprise for a 1 night stand

Likes hair pulling, biting, choking, spanking, lightly paddled, being tied down
Doesn't like anal or fisting
Kegals = tight snatch
Swingers say = good blowjobs either sex
Served as a toy, slave, submissive and been the dominant/mistress

A poly couple invites her for sex
She goes for it and her and the guy are banging uglies
Schedule hasn't allowed fem half of couple to join yet

and now the question: it's "like he can't climax unless I am causing him pain in some way. She doesn't feel like she fully satisfying him. He has shown me photos that show he enjoys anal penetration but I seem to have misplaced my strap on..."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~
OK, so you got pride and a history of suck-sess with other people. His thresholds are different. My advice is, blow him harder, grab his balls, stick a finger or fist or lamp up his ass while you blow him if that's what it takes for him to feel it on his level. If blowing him requires a weed whacker and a cactus, you want to seek someone that plays more in your threshold range.

And as someone else noted, how the hell do you lose a strap on?


Good advice. Maybe she has a messy home.

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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 2/14/2015 5:52:47 AM   
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quote:

Need advice on making it rougher for him.


Replace the bottom sheet with sandpaper.

Wear knee pads and knee socks. Be sure to be on top.

Ride him hard.





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RE: Need advice on making it rougher for him. - 2/14/2015 2:36:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Gauge
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

And as someone else noted, how the hell do you lose a strap on?



Obviously you never met my ex-wife's lawyer.

My condolences. Hope it never happens to me.

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