|
Zonie63 -> RE: The French Learn Their Lesson (2/2/2015 6:26:43 PM)
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Aylee
quote:
ORIGINAL: slvemike4u
quote:
ORIGINAL: Aylee
quote:
ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
quote:
You wanted to know why not every Muslim blows shit up and kills people. Because they do not have to. You only need a percent of the group doing so to be effective. The rest fill support roles.
"The rest just fill support roles"?
I'm sorry, but that's just senseless, Aylee.
What is the most important consideration in war/battles? Logistics. Yes, you have the folks that actually fight. Then you have everyone else. Those that grow food, make cloth, pay taxes, pump fuel, maintain roads, train soldiers, teach reading and math, comfort the grieving. . . and the list goes on.
How many people does it take to keep one soldier in the field? In the feudal days wasn't it something like 50 peasants to one mounted knight? And that did not count women and children, I believe.
Logistics is only senseless if you have never cracked a book with Clausevitz, Sun Tzu, Alexander, and so forth or have studiously avoided any mention of them.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics…"
- Sun Tzu
"There is nothing more common than to find considerations of supply affecting the strategic lines of a campaign and a war."
- Carl von Clausevitz
"My logisticians are a humorless lot ... they know if my campaign fails, they are the first ones I will slay."
- Alexander
Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics.
Of course with terrorists being....terrorists none of your logistics bullshit means diddly.
The logistical support needed for a suicide bomber I daresay is quite different than that needed to field a standing army....which is pretty much what is being referred to in all of your quotes.
Reducing the above post to nothing more than another "lets ban the pools" posting [8|]
You really do have an affinity for apples and oranges,don't you ?
Are you actually suggesting that Sam the Suicide Bomber has no support group?
Where did he get his money? How did he pick his target? Bomb making materials? Indoctrination on why strapping on a vest and blowing yourself up is a fine idea?
How much money would they actually need? The 9/11 bombers carried out their task with only the cost of box cutters and plane tickets. If I recall correctly, they were in the US for a few years and had jobs (one of them was even a soccer coach) and could have earned for themselves whatever money was needed to operate.
A couple years after 9/11, I think they caught one guy from Afghanistan who apparently traded opium with the Mexican cartels in return for being guided across the border, so they could also conceivably barter for what they need.
As for bomb making materials, I think McVeigh used materials which he purchased at the hardware store and rented a Ryder truck (which was the same truck rental company used by the 1993 WTC bombers). How much would that cost?
I can see the point you're trying to make, but it's really all just speculation to consider how much actual support the terrorists have from the Muslim population as a whole. Considering that most of the actual fighting taking place has been Muslim against Muslim, it would be quite a stretch to suggest that they could have that much widespread support from the overall population. No doubt that they have some support, but as to how much and which ones, that's all speculation.
I also don't think that it's entirely an either/or question. I can imagine that there are those who might support the same cause, yet would still be against violence. It was similar with 1960s era radicals, who pretty much supported similar causes, yet only a few actually advocated violence and even fewer actually did anything violent - compared to the millions who protested peacefully and were very much against using violence. Likewise, there are a lot of people who peacefully protest against abortion, but it would be wrong to lump them all in with the few who carry out bombings and assassinations.
|
|
|
|
