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ORIGINAL: MercTech

With the common kerfluffle over firearms; many miss the fact that the term "concealed weapon" applies to "dangerous weapons" or "deadly weapons". (phrasing varies with different state legal codes) And there is large variation as to the practical application.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/weapons-charges-mississippi.htm
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/deadly-weapon/
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/deadly+weapon

Many places, a pocket knife with more than a 2-3/4 inch blade is considered a concealed weapon. Any knife with a locking blade is a "concealed weapon" in some places.
The TSA searching you for access to an airplane has even more draconian interpretations. Any bladed device is a weapon. A plastic rat-tail comb is a weapon. A metal nail file is a weapon. A tripod for photography can be considered a "bludgeoning weapon". So, also, are most common hand tools considered weapons.

With more and more places installing security checkpoints one has to consider the effect of such laws on the books. I work in a trade where I must go through security checkpoints for access daily so it has a direct effect on what I do.

If I put a steak knife in my lunch kit; I'm carrying a concealed weapon.
The grandmotherly secretary that includes a kitchen knife when bringing a cake for coworkers is carrying a concealed weapon.
Carrying a baseball bat in a vehicle for the game later is transporting a concealed weapon.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech

With the common kerfluffle over firearms; many miss the fact that the term "concealed weapon" applies to "dangerous weapons" or "deadly weapons". (phrasing varies with different state legal codes) And there is large variation as to the practical application.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/weapons-charges-mississippi.htm
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/deadly-weapon/
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/deadly+weapon

Many places, a pocket knife with more than a 2-3/4 inch blade is considered a concealed weapon. Any knife with a locking blade is a "concealed weapon" in some places.
The TSA searching you for access to an airplane has even more draconian interpretations. Any bladed device is a weapon. A plastic rat-tail comb is a weapon. A metal nail file is a weapon. A tripod for photography can be considered a "bludgeoning weapon". So, also, are most common hand tools considered weapons.

With more and more places installing security checkpoints one has to consider the effect of such laws on the books. I work in a trade where I must go through security checkpoints for access daily so it has a direct effect on what I do.

If I put a steak knife in my lunch kit; I'm carrying a concealed weapon.
The grandmotherly secretary that includes a kitchen knife when bringing a cake for coworkers is carrying a concealed weapon.
Carrying a baseball bat in a vehicle for the game later is transporting a concealed weapon.

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
With the common kerfluffle over firearms; many miss the fact that the term "concealed weapon" applies to "dangerous weapons" or "deadly weapons". (phrasing varies with different state legal codes) And there is large variation as to the practical application.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/weapons-charges-mississippi.htm
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/deadly-weapon/
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/deadly+weapon

Many places, a pocket knife with more than a 2-3/4 inch blade is considered a concealed weapon. Any knife with a locking blade is a "concealed weapon" in some places.
The TSA searching you for access to an airplane has even more draconian interpretations. Any bladed device is a weapon. A plastic rat-tail comb is a weapon. A metal nail file is a weapon. A tripod for photography can be considered a "bludgeoning weapon". So, also, are most common hand tools considered weapons.

With more and more places installing security checkpoints one has to consider the effect of such laws on the books. I work in a trade where I must go through security checkpoints for access daily so it has a direct effect on what I do.

If I put a steak knife in my lunch kit; I'm carrying a concealed weapon.
The grandmotherly secretary that includes a kitchen knife when bringing a cake for coworkers is carrying a concealed weapon.
Carrying a baseball bat in a vehicle for the game later is transporting a concealed weapon.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: MercTech
With the common kerfluffle over firearms; many miss the fact that the term "concealed weapon" applies to "dangerous weapons" or "deadly weapons". (phrasing varies with different state legal codes) And there is large variation as to the practical application.

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/weapons-charges-mississippi.htm
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/deadly-weapon/
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/deadly+weapon

Many places, a pocket knife with more than a 2-3/4 inch blade is considered a concealed weapon. Any knife with a locking blade is a "concealed weapon" in some places.
The TSA searching you for access to an airplane has even more draconian interpretations. Any bladed device is a weapon. A plastic rat-tail comb is a weapon. A metal nail file is a weapon. A tripod for photography can be considered a "bludgeoning weapon". So, also, are most common hand tools considered weapons.

With more and more places installing security checkpoints one has to consider the effect of such laws on the books. I work in a trade where I must go through security checkpoints for access daily so it has a direct effect on what I do.

If I put a steak knife in my lunch kit; I'm carrying a concealed weapon.
The grandmotherly secretary that includes a kitchen knife when bringing a cake for coworkers is carrying a concealed weapon.
Carrying a baseball bat in a vehicle for the game later is transporting a concealed weapon.

Such a silly thread....

You dont need a sharp knife to cut a birthday cake. Most cake products are fresh and soft (plus very sugary). You can 'cut' them with a spoon handle. Or a butter knife. Both which are blunt. A cake knife is either a long piece of metal with no edges or one with a 'sided' edge. Other cake knifes look triangular in shape. All of them are blunt. Yes, you could use them as a weapon. But then, one can use a power cable to a computer as a weapon. Or a piece of paper. Or a cup of water.

Your 'argument' is pretty silly.

The purpose of a concealed weapon (i.e. firearm) is to hide from normal/casual inspections. On direct searches, its often a good idea to explain to the one searching....WHY....you have such an item. Carrying that 'concealable firearm' permit might help with your story. The searcher could contact the manager of the place you work at to see if it really is Alice's birthday and that your bringing the cake (and something to 'cut' it with).

Most people do not have a need to carry deadly weapons....unless....they have a decent reason. Some trades require a knife to perform certain operations or processes. An electrician would certainly have one or more tools that could be deadly weapons. Does he need to conceal them? Maybe, if he has to walk through a school building during normal hours to fix something. A tow truck operator might carry a conceal weapon, because being lured into an ambush...REALLY...sucks.

So we create multiple systems to help determine whom can carry what sort of concealable items around in the general public. That is to help the individual to determine if that person has said item in good faith; or could be up to no good (i.e. call the police). An undercover cop carrying a firearm whom accidentally get's spotted by an observant civilian would get 'arrested' by his friends at the local police station so as to not break cover.

Why are laws created? To impress upon the public either a good behavior or mitigate a bad one. That we create laws on who and how one could carry a concealable firearm, is a good behavior. When such a law is removed, criminal elements are allowed to operate much more freely. Subsequently, 'honest and law abiding' citizens get frisked more often by law enforcement and bitch about it. How often do they bitch when stopped, and paperwork is checked? They understand there is a process, and the police officer is simply doing his job. Once everything is checked, the individual is on his way.

Your just trying to stir the pot, for the fun of making trouble and contribute nothing to a useful topic.

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
So that means you're for "Stop and frisk" laws...such as New York City had...IF they're applied equally across the board? e.g....for every black man that is stopped, so should there be a white man, brown man, yellow man, etc. And for each man that's stopped, a woman should be stopped. And for every teenager, there should be a 20 year old, a 30 year old, a 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 yr old.

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
So that means you're for "Stop and frisk" laws...such as New York City had...IF they're applied equally across the board? e.g....for every black man that is stopped, so should there be a white man, brown man, yellow man, etc. And for each man that's stopped, a woman should be stopped. And for every teenager, there should be a 20 year old, a 30 year old, a 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 yr old.

Where do you come up with this 'logic'? This stuff has....NOTHING...to do with the original thread. And your the one that created the original thread! If....ANYONE...in this thread should know the topic of the original thread, I would think you would.

Unless of course, reality is a tough thing for you to handle in your daily life....

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
So that means you're for "Stop and frisk" laws...such as New York City had...IF they're applied equally across the board? e.g....for every black man that is stopped, so should there be a white man, brown man, yellow man, etc. And for each man that's stopped, a woman should be stopped. And for every teenager, there should be a 20 year old, a 30 year old, a 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 yr old.

Where do you come up with this 'logic'? This stuff has....NOTHING...to do with the original thread. And your the one that created the original thread! If....ANYONE...in this thread should know the topic of the original thread, I would think you would.

Unless of course, reality is a tough thing for you to handle in your daily life....

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

This just in:


Throw out all of your wedding cake knife and server sets! Joether has declared them not proper cake knives.

And no more fondant. It violates the soft rule.

Speaking of:

No ice cream cakes.

No more puff pastry or filo dough.

Sandwich loaf and baklava? Those are right out!

I could continue but suffice it to say joether's cookery knowledge is lacking.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
So that means you're for "Stop and frisk" laws...such as New York City had...IF they're applied equally across the board? e.g....for every black man that is stopped, so should there be a white man, brown man, yellow man, etc. And for each man that's stopped, a woman should be stopped. And for every teenager, there should be a 20 year old, a 30 year old, a 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 yr old.

Where do you come up with this 'logic'? This stuff has....NOTHING...to do with the original thread. And your the one that created the original thread! If....ANYONE...in this thread should know the topic of the original thread, I would think you would.

Unless of course, reality is a tough thing for you to handle in your daily life....

New York never officially had a "stop and frisk" policy.
The policy he is referring to was always "stop,question and frisk"...not saying some beat cops didn't skip the second step on a regular basis...just pointing out that it was supposed to include the second step....and only than and with some cause the frisk.

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

How do I get thrown into that then...did I assert that you started the thread ?
All I wanted to do was clear up some misconceptions concerning the "official" policy,which unfortunately had very little to do with how that policy was implemented

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

How do I get thrown into that then...did I assert that you started the thread ?
All I wanted to do was clear up some misconceptions concerning the "official" policy,which unfortunately had very little to do with how that policy was implemented

You weren't thrown in...I was offering my sincere thanks to you.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Meanwhile 5 people died and two more were injured in a shooting incident in Georgia this weekend.

No problems with guns though, so lets just carry on.

Holy shit, more guns going off by themselves? Well that settles it. Firearms manufacturers need to take some responsibility and recall these flawed designs for a fix.

K.