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kdsub -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 10:41:48 AM)
YES they are Mike... Butch

slvemike4u -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 10:55:31 AM)
No,they aren't Butch,that's why they remain in those neighborhoods....it's not the quality if the public libraries that's for damm sure.

thishereboi -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 10:59:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Not surprised Lucy but maybe tired of the "Hands up" bullshit of people that refuse to take responsibility for their children and neighborhoods. Butch yea, some people do seem to be taking that one a bit far. http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/27907762/men-sentenced-to-life-for-murder-torture-of-westland-teens "DETROIT, Mich. (WJBK) - Two Westland teenagers were murdered execution-style in a vacant Detroit field two and half years ago. Wednesday was their opportunity to address the men who killed their sons but what one of the defendants had to say to them left everyone shaking their heads." When Young had his chance to apologize to the families - he did nothing of the sort.. "I'd like to say sorry to the families of Aiyanna Jones, Michael Brown, Eric Garner," Young said. "And I want to apologize to them for not being able to get justice for their loved ones who was murdered in cold blood - and in respect for the peaceful protest, I want to say hands up don't shoot. Black lives matter - that's it your honor." Seriously, this little asshole beats and kills 2 people and then tries to claim it was somehow justified. He has proven he didn't think those 2 lives mattered, why would anyone care about his?

kdsub -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:05:28 AM)
Mike... if you keep your children off the streets... if you report crime... if you vote and support your city and police forces... If you keep your children in school... THIS is the way you make changes for the betterment of your life and neighborhood. Simple and responsible... quit bitching at others when it is your own damn fault. Butch

slvemike4u -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:08:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Mike... if you keep your children off the streets... if you report crime... if you vote and support your city and police forces... If you keep your children in school... THIS is the way you make changes for the betterment of your life and neighborhood. Simple and responsible... quit bitching at others when it is your own damn fault. Butch Even if those schools are nothing but gang affiliated cesspools of violence,and the very streets you walk to and fro are a mine field of gangs,drug dealers and prostitutes ? Quite a statement....let me ask you do you have kids ? If so ,did you raise then under such conditions ?

thishereboi -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:22:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Mike... if you keep your children off the streets... if you report crime... if you vote and support your city and police forces... If you keep your children in school... THIS is the way you make changes for the betterment of your life and neighborhood. Simple and responsible... quit bitching at others when it is your own damn fault. Butch Even if those schools are nothing but gang affiliated cesspools of violence,and the very streets you walk to and fro are a mine field of gangs,drug dealers and prostitutes ? Quite a statement....let me ask you do you have kids ? If so ,did you raise then under such conditions ? Don't forget the dollar stores with the little asswipes who think it's cool to pull a gun and rob people.

Aylee -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:26:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Not surprised Lucy but maybe tired of the "Hands up" bullshit of people that refuse to take responsibility for their children and neighborhoods. Butch From According to Hoyt: “The chains of defining yourself as a victim are a tourniquet wrapped around the soul.” Victimhood is insidious. It gives one permission to fail with minimal effort. It whispers “You can never succeed for they won’t let you.” It never tells you “You didn’t succeed because what you did was crap,” because that implies you can succeed if you work at it. Then the person never puts forth effort, which ensures perpetual failure. Victimhood is just another version of despair, a leech of one’s very soul. If they are to change themselves, their children, and their neighborhoods, they must stop thinking of themselves as victims.

CreativeDominant -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:29:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Mike... if you keep your children off the streets... if you report crime... if you vote and support your city and police forces... If you keep your children in school... THIS is the way you make changes for the betterment of your life and neighborhood. Simple and responsible... quit bitching at others when it is your own damn fault. Butch Even if those schools are nothing but gang affiliated cesspools of violence,and the very streets you walk to and fro are a mine field of gangs,drug dealers and prostitutes ? Quite a statement....let me ask you do you have kids ? If so ,did you raise then under such conditions ? And when teachers try to get the right to discipline disruptive kids and are turned down because its the "parents job"? But the Parent is too "zoned out" from the drugs or booze they've consumed...with welfare money... to do their job? From drugs they bought from the same dealer they wouldn't turn in when the cops came asking? But none of these werwedue to choices made, right? Never mind that there are examples of those who ran from the wrong choices.

slvemike4u -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:34:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Mike... if you keep your children off the streets... if you report crime... if you vote and support your city and police forces... If you keep your children in school... THIS is the way you make changes for the betterment of your life and neighborhood. Simple and responsible... quit bitching at others when it is your own damn fault. Butch Even if those schools are nothing but gang affiliated cesspools of violence,and the very streets you walk to and fro are a mine field of gangs,drug dealers and prostitutes ? Quite a statement....let me ask you do you have kids ? If so ,did you raise then under such conditions ? And when teachers try to get the right to discipline disruptive kids and are turned down because its the "parents job"? But the Parent is too "zoned out" from the drugs or booze they've consumed...with welfare money... to do their job? From drugs they bought from the same dealer they wouldn't turn in when the cops came asking? But none of these werwedue to choices made, right? Never mind that there are examples of those who ran from the wrong choices. So you want to be placed in the category of folks who think letting other people discipline their children is a good idea ? Good to know

CreativeDominant -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:36:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Mike... if you keep your children off the streets... if you report crime... if you vote and support your city and police forces... If you keep your children in school... THIS is the way you make changes for the betterment of your life and neighborhood. Simple and responsible... quit bitching at others when it is your own damn fault. Butch Even if those schools are nothing but gang affiliated cesspools of violence,and the very streets you walk to and fro are a mine field of gangs,drug dealers and prostitutes ? Quite a statement....let me ask you do you have kids ? If so ,did you raise then under such conditions ? And when teachers try to get the right to discipline disruptive kids and are turned down because its the "parents job"? But the Parent is too "zoned out" from the drugs or booze they've consumed...with welfare money... to do their job? From drugs they bought from the same dealer they wouldn't turn in when the cops came asking? But none of these werwedue to choices made, right? Never mind that there are examples of those who ran from the wrong choices. So you want to be placed in the category of folks who think letting other people discipline their children is a good idea ? Good to know I have no problem with a teacher disciplining my child when the need is there.

slvemike4u -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:36:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Not surprised Lucy but maybe tired of the "Hands up" bullshit of people that refuse to take responsibility for their children and neighborhoods. Butch From According to Hoyt: “The chains of defining yourself as a victim are a tourniquet wrapped around the soul.” Victimhood is insidious. It gives one permission to fail with minimal effort. It whispers “You can never succeed for they won’t let you.” It never tells you “You didn’t succeed because what you did was crap,” because that implies you can succeed if you work at it. Then the person never puts forth effort, which ensures perpetual failure. Victimhood is just another version of despair, a leech of one’s very soul. If they are to change themselves, their children, and their neighborhoods, they must stop thinking of themselves as victims. And yet you went to great lengths to paint yourself as a victim of my aggression...interesting [8\|]

Moderator3 -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:45:35 AM)
Please continue with the topic rather than the direction this thread is starting to take in a personal direction. Thank you

slvemike4u -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:48:35 AM)
No problem....is the disciplining of children at school an allowed subject...or should I let that go ? that's not snark,I don't want to reply to CD's last if it's going to take this into areas you don't want it to go.

CreativeDominant -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:50:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moderator3 Please continue with the topic rather than the direction this thread is starting to take in a personal direction. Thank you You have noticed that some do love to go that route... [;)]

Moderator3 -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:52:40 AM)
Post away, just stop with making it all personal.

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 11:56:21 AM)
I thank you for contributing to the real point and and telling us what you think about the man who intervened and what you think about the family's stance. However, your many "suspicions" are wrong. This story popped up on my Facebook yesterday and was the first I heard of it, that is why it is posted. I do not normally participate in these forums so have no idea how conspiracy theories about forum politics can apply to me? Also, your suspicions that this is a gun thread are wrong. It's about social morals and law. This thread would be the same if the robber had a knife and the Good Samaritan stabbed him to stop him. My only question was about morals and how the family could think like that, not about guns. Imposing your own gun agenda on this thread is your doing, not mine. quote: ORIGINAL: joether I find the underlying currents to this thread....suspicious.... Let's start with some observations: A ) This is a gun thread (no duh, eh?). Just like the others in which the gun folkss got smacked down and resorted to name calling and threats. It'll get shut down by the Moderators... B ) As stated, many of the threads basically shattered myths of gun carrying private citizens over coming great odds. Well OK, most of the stories involving someone with a firearm dealing with a law breaker was either part of "A Well Regulated Militia...." law enforcement or "A Well Regulated Militia...." person in the military. Some of those stories pushed by the pro-gun folks were vaguely worded and without footnotes. And I got the footnotes and the full story to each of them. Funny, wasn't challenged by anyone for doing the research and calling the bullshit stories out! C ) So this thread is trying to find....something....to show the pro-gun folks are correct. Yes, in a nation of 310+ million people, were there exists nearly 100+ million firearms; it was bound to happen right? Then again, broken clocks are right twice a day.... So lets get to the heart of this story: A Mr. Adric White robs a store with a firearm (any info on type of gun?). While the story from pro-firearm sites portray the following events: "the thug had a store employee on his knees with a gun to his head....", a video does not seem to show the actual attack. Dont modern stores have cameras watching entrances and any place that handles money? I'll give ground here and assume the police are not showing that footage for now. Mr. White has a prior from September of last year, which will not help him if this thing goes to trial. And frankly, I cant see how he has a prayer of being innocent with that many witnesses. He's going away for a ....LONG...time. The good Samaritan in this? Yeah, he did a really good thing. I have no problem with that. He wasn't using the firearm in conjunction the the actual 2nd amendment. He had a gun, and used it. Go ahead....challenge me on this.... The family of Mr. White? Do not have a case or a leg to stand on for an argument. Their kid was up to no good, and threatening people. Guess they didn't teach him good citizenship skills.... But the issue I have with this 'story' is not about the good Samaritan. Or the firearm issues. Its the timing. This issue came up back in late December of 2014. And its now just arriving here on the forums? It was a 'no story' back last year. But since the pro-gun crew on here took many lumps in their 'arguments' on several threads. it 'Magically Appears' here? Do you guys understand this feels like a set-up and not a genuine situation? If this issue came up back in December it would have been over in a page. No real arguments regarding the issue itself. But it comes up....now....? What I'm getting at here, is that while the story was good. And it does help you that there is an example of a private firearm owner stopping death and destruction. You have corrupted any good will, that could have been had, because the timing and events feel fishy. Like you have an underlying motive to all this. You guys dont trust liberals, moderates, and government; yet expect if not DEMAND, unconditional trust back at you. Well, hate to say this, but trust works both ways. I dont trust this thread's premise and objective is 'legit' for reasons stated.

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 12:08:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD ...The family should be drug tested. Reminds me of a case in Montgomery. A guy held up a little mom and pop store run by an old man using a walker. The owner gave the thug his wallet, then the thug said he was going to kill him. The owner then shot the thug. The thugs family tried to sue the store owner. Fortunately no attorney would take the case since Alabama has a law stating that you can't sue over injuries suffered while committing a crime. Thanks for the Alabama story. Hard to understand the mindset of thief that gets what he wants by taking his money, then wants to take his life too? At least he was stupid enough to announce it in advance so the guy could stop him. Perhaps the family member was on drugs? It could explain the pretzel logic. I would hate to think that we have gone from the social norm of "not obligated to stop a crime" to "obligated not to stop a crime".

ladynlord -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 12:12:02 PM)
It's nothing new! In our city, an "immigrant" invested all he had and all he could borrow into a small "milk/bread/beer" corner store in a VERY underserved (read Ghetto) section of the city. After only a few short months in business, a neighborhood resident attempted to rob the place with a handgun. The store owner used his "under the counter" firearm and the robber was shot, but fled the store and bled to death a block away. The store owner identified and described the handgun the robber used, the store security video showed the handgun in the robbers hand and even showed him firing it, and a witness said that they saw the robber run out holding what looked like a handgun. But, when the police finally showed up after crowds of locals gathered around and even rolled the body around, no handgun was found. The District Attorney had enough with the video and witness to say the store owner was justified. But the entire neighborhood decided that the robber was unarmed since no gun was found and they promptly marched, staged sit ins at the store parking lot, and generally blocked anyone from driving onto the store premises. Signs and slogans and t.v. interviews "confirmed" what a good man the wrongfully killed robber was, and how he loved his "Big Momma" and went to church with her every Sunday. The "immigrant" who had invested all of his savings and loans into the neighborhood was met with having his life threatened constantly. He had his store boarded up and closed down. And today, almost 10 years later, NO ONE will venture to invest in the neighborhood again. So those good neighbors who banded together to picket and march....still get to march about a mile for a gallon of milk. But hey, they were victorious and showed every one YOU WILL NOT DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST ONE OF US!

ResidentSadist -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 12:19:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 i don't doubt there is a lot of truth to this. yet at the same time there is a sense of that a generation or two ago, if you did something bad and got caught doing it, you were the one to blame, and your parents sided with the authorities (or the person who caught you)---for your sake. im not suggesting the family should have thanked the person who shot their son, but, neither do they have a moral leg to stand on. in some regards, they might want to thank the fellow for not killing their son. so you wonder if there is a societal shift in that thinking, or maybe it never really was that way to begin with... I don't know, seems like "thank you for stopping my son from bringing harm to other people" wouldn't be too far out of place. Also, when an armed man that has the drop on you yells "‘hey don’t move", only Darwin Award candidate would turn their your weapon on him. From the family blaming the Good Samaritan to the robber getting caught twice in two months, intellect doesn't seem to be a strong suit in that family.

BamaD -> RE: -=Family Was Outraged Because Their Son Got Shot Committing An Armed Robbery!=- (2/19/2015 12:26:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD ...The family should be drug tested. Reminds me of a case in Montgomery. A guy held up a little mom and pop store run by an old man using a walker. The owner gave the thug his wallet, then the thug said he was going to kill him. The owner then shot the thug. The thugs family tried to sue the store owner. Fortunately no attorney would take the case since Alabama has a law stating that you can't sue over injuries suffered while committing a crime. Thanks for the Alabama story. Hard to understand the mindset of thief that gets what he wants by taking his money, then wants to take his life too? At least he was stupid enough to announce it in advance so the guy could stop him. Perhaps the family member was on drugs? It could explain the pretzel logic. I would hate to think that we have gone from the social norm of "not obligated to stop a crime" to "obligated not to stop a crime". I think that obligated not to stop a crime is a sick perversion. I also agree that this is not about firearms but about morality.

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