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bounty44 -> free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 5:04:31 PM)

I contribute to the arbor day foundation and I just received a form letter from them saying “many of us who are tree planters today spent hours and hours outdoors as children, exploring nature. We experienced “free-range” childhoods, often out of sight of adults, making nature our friend. We collected acorns and pine cones, jumped in piles of leaves, investigated nearby wooded streams, and climbed backyard trees. As a result, today we have a love of trees in our hearts.

“However, free-range childhoods are a thing of the past. Children’s lives are now mostly spent indoors…”

I recently read online about a couple of parents coming under local authority scrutiny because someone called to complain about or question their parenting skills for letting their children walk unsupervised. Their answer to the inquiring police was, “our kids are free-range kids.” There are other numerous accounts of parents whose competence as a parent is being questioned because they let their kids be in the park without supervision. The very fact that there’s a name for it now---“free range”--- implies the name had to be created to contrast it with some other competing paradigm.

By contrast, the concept of helicopter parents is relatively new---those parents who not only make sure their kids are engaged in a number of formal activities, but who drive them there, stay during, and drive them home afterwards. And if the kids fall down and get a boo-boo, they are right there watching over them in order to pick them up and fret over them.

Kids take the bus to school instead of walk, or their parents drive them and pick them up, or meet them at school and walk them home even. And then there are the horror stories of parents who live so vicariously through their children that they fight with other parents, with coaches and on occasion, the other children.

I hope this doesn’t sound like a “when I was a kid we walked to school five miles uphill both ways through 2ft of snow” deal but I believe most of the childhood of today would be unrecognizable to the children of 40-50 yrs ago. The great irony is---it’s possible (probable) that today’s helicopter parents were yesterday’s free range kids.

Anyway---I wonder how/why it all occurred…and thought it might make an interesting discussion.




usememistress775 -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 5:16:04 PM)

News begins focusing on all of the terribleness in the world, scared parents begin hovering over their kids shoulders.




PeonForHer -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 6:12:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: usememistress775

News begins focusing on all of the terribleness in the world, scared parents begin hovering over their kids shoulders.


Yep. When I was a kid, my brothers and I would spend most of the day out, going on our 'adventures'. I think our parents would be considered shockingly irresponsible today. C'est la vie.




Aylee -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 7:09:52 PM)

Crime went up. Then there were things like the "satanic child care centers" scare.

Then crime went down.

But, "It's for the children," was too great of a slogan to give up.




Sanity -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 7:26:52 PM)


Not that they are necessarily of Satan but there are some really bad day cares out there

Having widely publicized stories of children being snatched off of the streets doesnt help matters either. I dont know if things are worse now but my gut says that they are




Aylee -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 7:54:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Not that they are necessarily of Satan but there are some really bad day cares out there

Having widely publicized stories of children being snatched off of the streets doesnt help matters either. I dont know if things are worse now but my gut says that they are


No, actually they are not worse. Random child snatches are at their rarest. Your child is MOST likely to be snatched by a family member. Same with child sexual abuse. Most likely to be a family member.




DaddySatyr -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 7:55:06 PM)


I wasn't going to break this one up because it's a good one, but to really coalesce my thoughts, I fear I must.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I contribute to the arbor day foundation and I just received a form letter from them saying “many of us who are tree planters today spent hours and hours outdoors as children, exploring nature. We experienced “free-range” childhoods, often out of sight of adults, making nature our friend. We collected acorns and pine cones, jumped in piles of leaves, investigated nearby wooded streams, and climbed backyard trees. As a result, today we have a love of trees in our hearts.



I was very lucky, indeed, in that I grew up in a big city until I hit my truly formative years (14-15). Oh, we didn't run and play in nature. We "ran the streets". Have you ever read "A Tree Grows In Brooklyn"? All of the city schools took turns, taking a field trip to it, every year. [:D]

When we moved to New Jersey, I did get a chance to start exploring nature, but it was a slow go. I can't relate to the love of trees, specifically but, I learned to love skinks, fishing, raccoons, even bears. I love animals and the outdoors. The move to New Jersey advanced our exploratory skills. The public transportation system sucked but it was there that we found out what our bikes were really for.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

“However, free-range childhoods are a thing of the past. Children’s lives are now mostly spent indoors…”

I recently read online about a couple of parents coming under local authority scrutiny because someone called to complain about or question their parenting skills for letting their children walk unsupervised. Their answer to the inquiring police was, “our kids are free-range kids.” There are other numerous accounts of parents whose competence as a parent is being questioned because they let their kids be in the park without supervision. The very fact that there’s a name for it now---“free range”--- implies the name had to be created to contrast it with some other competing paradigm.



A lot of things that used to be considered normal are a thing of the past and I miss a great many of them. I don't mean "things", per se, I mean ideas and ideals.

We had this inherent sense of right and wrong and the freedom that "Free Range" seems to engender. We didn't sass adults. We might have gotten into some mischief, but at the end of the day, no one got truly hurt. We, generally, had a kind word for just about everyone and we displayed the manners that our parents or guardians taught us out of a sense of loyalty to the codes that our families taught us.

Specifically (not to go too far a field from the topic), we played ball, threw Frisbees©, played "cowboys and injuns" or "cops and robbers". We rode our bikes. We went to the local fishing hole and, as long as we were home when we said we'd be (-ish), all was well with the world and maybe our parents were happy to be rid of us, for a little while.

But (there's always a "but") I am going to go back a bit further than "Free Range". I think it started with the term: "Latch-key Children". Does anyone remember that one?. When my eldest was just a boy (seven or eight or so) was when the "child care center" craze was starting to boom and that's when I heard that term. It was as if there was something wrong with parents that didn't stay home with their kids. Of course, no one bothered to mention that in order to provide a decent up-bringing, there needed to be three paychecks coming into the house. Sorry, mom.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

By contrast, the concept of helicopter parents is relatively new---those parents who not only make sure their kids are engaged in a number of formal activities, but who drive them there, stay during, and drive them home afterwards. And if the kids fall down and get a boo-boo, they are right there watching over them in order to pick them up and fret over them.

Kids take the bus to school instead of walk, or their parents drive them and pick them up, or meet them at school and walk them home even. And then there are the horror stories of parents who live so vicariously through their children that they fight with other parents, with coaches and on occasion, the other children.



A lot of this is a real problem. I coached my children in Baseball and Football and the absolute abuse by some of the parents was just too much. When mine were growing up, we lived in some very rural areas and it wasn't always feasible to put them on their bikes and send them off. I did it, as much as possible and when video games started becoming popular, I put a moratorium on the amount of time that could be spent, playing them.

I think they're one of the biggest issues. Those damned video games. Oh, I've played my share, to be sure, but at fifty years old, I still make time to hike the mountains; weather permitting. I did the same with my children, as they were growing up. I taught them to swim and drove them to the pool (it was very far away and through dangerous traffic-gnarled streets). I coached them so that they would get some outdoor time and, to their credit, I am sure part of their desire was so they could spend time with the old man.

I guess I would be the in-between in this.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

I hope this doesn’t sound like a “when I was a kid we walked to school five miles uphill both ways through 2ft of snow” deal



It does, but I'm right there with you! [:D]

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

but I believe most of the childhood of today would be unrecognizable to the children of 40-50 yrs ago. The great irony is---it’s possible (probable) that today’s helicopter parents were yesterday’s free range kids.

Anyway---I wonder how/why it all occurred…and thought it might make an interesting discussion.



It does, indeed, make an interesting discussion and I wonder if we will ever make the adjustments that (I believe) we need to make in order to return a balance to our children.

Greater minds than mine (I'm sure) have agreed that of all philosophies, of all deeply-held beliefs, balance was the one that was most important to a happy existence. We've all become so polarized and tunnel-visioned. It's a damned shame.



Michael




tj444 -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 10:21:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44
“However, free-range childhoods are a thing of the past. Children’s lives are now mostly spent indoors…”


well.. back in your day you didn't have computers/computer games and the internet and perhaps not even tv so of course you were outside free-ranging.. That is part of it, imo.. I grew up on a farm so of course I was a free-range kid (I had a horse to ride) and farm chores to do also..

I think helicopter parents are creating kids that cant even wipe their own noses.. I don't think that is good, imo it creates too much dependency.. At some point the parents are gonna wonder why little Timmy is now 35 and still lives at home playing his computer games all day and night long..




Dvr22999874 -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/20/2015 10:35:49 PM)

Peon would probably recognise the town I was dragged up in until I was about 8 or 9. Luton, in Bedfordshire. It isn't the arsehole of the world but if you stand on a box you can see it from there.
I walked to and from school from the age of 5 onwards. I roamed the streets after school until it was too dark to see without streetlights. I fought, caused havoc and actually had the area in lockdown one time when we found some 25 pound howitzer shells. There's a tale !! I was a skinny as a rake and happy as a shithouse rat and don't remember any real problems (other than with those shells). I wonder if parents are more protective and overbearing these days because news (especially bad news that will titillate jaded minds) is disseminated faster these days ? And right into our homes, with graphic pictures ?
My son was born and brought up in the bush here in Oz and he learned what was safe and what not to touch without me hovering over his shoulder. He is a damn fine citizen now and I am proud of him. I wish all youngsters could be given his chances.




KenDckey -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 2:40:05 AM)

I see three major things that contributed to our movement from “free range” to “helicopter” methods of parenting.

The first was the counterculture movement. People had so much freedom that it got out of control. The mantra “sex, drugs and rock and roll” was popular. As those people grew older they found that they had to much freedom as children and got into a spiral downfall away from a “free range” methodology of parenting.

The second was the advent of mass media. No longer did we rely upon the local media outlet. We saw scary stuff around the world and the media learned that is what drew society to the news so they keep on running bad things to keep your attraction. Over time, this has caused a level of fear in society causing increased helicoptering.

The third, if I remember correctly, was coined by Hillary Clinton. “It takes a village.” It was preached that parents weren’t responsible for the raising of their children, that it was everyone and that people individually weren’t qualified to be parents. This caused parents to take “over watch” over the happenings in other families.

To put it all together. To much freedom, scare tactics of the media, and watching others movements and activities (which has evolved into a form of Nazism or Socialism) and reporting them has caused our society to not hold children accountable for their actions.

Those that fight back are outcast and held as poor parents. I was accused of child neglect because my child fell off a slide and broke his arm in a public playground. The problem was I was overseas in the military at the time of the incident. I didn’t provide due care over my child’s activities.

Because of the scares of what “could” happen, we have become overly protective and no longer hold people accountable for their actions. We have empowered others with the responsibility of watching our children and are considered abusive if we try to correct the activities of our children when they do wrong. I believe that it is a downward spiral.




bounty44 -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 6:44:04 AM)

I appreciate your all commenting, thank you...

and my goodness I just discovered a website called freerangekids.com. I think that tells us something about the desire, or need even, to push back against the helicoptering and the nanny state.

if the story below is true, its kinda frightening and one wonders what sort of dystopian future (or novel!) this could lead to...

http://www.freerangekids.com/6-y-o-who-walked-alone-to-post-office-may-be-removed-from-her-home/





PeonForHer -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 9:57:06 AM)

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I fought, caused havoc and actually had the area in lockdown one time when we found some 25 pound howitzer shells.


Hell's bells! Now, see, that is *not* a good advertisement for allowing your kids to roam free.

Irrelevant but interesting: My dad and his schoolmates found a Stuka propeller on his local common, once. They brought it home to his place, hoping to keep it. Within an hour, an army sergeant had called round to pick it up, though. Shame.




Kaliko -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 11:44:54 AM)

FR

As usual I'm seeing judgment of two extremes. How about the parents that do know where their children are, but don't hover over them while they're there? The ones that do drive them to school on cold mornings or when they're running late, but have them walk on the other days? It doesn't have to be free-range versus helicopter. Every parent I know seems to be a healthy mix of both.

Despite our increasingly faulty memories, being allowed to roam entirely free without supervision as a child is not always the best thing. I did it. And I can think of, let's see....1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Five crimes that were committed against me. And that's just off the top of my head - just the really bad ones. And how about the many times I put my life in danger - not with all those normal activities that we like to wax poetic about. Not falling off my bike or catching the hook while fishing at the stream. Sinister shit. Sinister. My mother didn't know where I was or what I was up to and where did I find myself? I'm not going to say, but suffice to say that as a result of being "free range" I'm just another statistic - a few times over. So no, I don't really think it's a bad thing to try to prevent that from happening to other children today. Anyone who thinks that knowing where their children are is being overprotective can bite me.

There can be a healthy balance and unless a parent is a total psycho, they do recognize the need for and help develop their child's independence. Doing so with a watchful eye is just fine.









Lucylastic -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 12:23:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

FR

As usual I'm seeing judgment of two extremes. How about the parents that do know where their children are, but don't hover over them while they're there? The ones that do drive them to school on cold mornings or when they're running late, but have them walk on the other days? It doesn't have to be free-range versus helicopter. Every parent I know seems to be a healthy mix of both.

Despite our increasingly faulty memories, being allowed to roam entirely free without supervision as a child is not always the best thing. I did it. And I can think of, let's see....1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Five crimes that were committed against me. And that's just off the top of my head - just the really bad ones. And how about the many times I put my life in danger - not with all those normal activities that we like to wax poetic about. Not falling off my bike or catching the hook while fishing at the stream. Sinister shit. Sinister. My mother didn't know where I was or what I was up to and where did I find myself? I'm not going to say, but suffice to say that as a result of being "free range" I'm just another statistic - a few times over. So no, I don't really think it's a bad thing to try to prevent that from happening to other children today. Anyone who thinks that knowing where their children are is being overprotective can bite me.

There can be a healthy balance and unless a parent is a total psycho, they do recognize the need for and help develop their child's independence. Doing so with a watchful eye is just fine.





This is very close how I feel about it.
About my own childhood and my own kids childhood.




bounty44 -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 2:53:46 PM)

I don't think I was meaning to put forth an "either/or" type of situation. I recognize its all on a spectrum.

at the same time though, the "vs" part is applicable because the parents of the free range kids are being challenged by those on the other end of that spectrum so to speak and the whole genesis of "free range" is actually a pushback.

i'll put the link here again and hope someone will drop in, read it and comment:

http://www.freerangekids.com/6-y-o-who-walked-alone-to-post-office-may-be-removed-from-her-home/




KenDckey -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 2:59:36 PM)

I looked at the site. I think it is BS but then I believe in parental responsibility




Dvr22999874 -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 3:06:39 PM)

Peon..........we found the shells in a big pile in the railway yards at Luton and all the side roads where we lived had a steep slope away from the football ground to the main road...................an obviously GREAT place for a bunch of kids to race their new toys against each other. I don't think my mother was quite the same again when she saw the pile of shells in our backyard. she kept talking to herself and laughing at nothing. Weird woman. I guess maybe the police force, army, bomb disposal, civil defence, home guard and assorted other uniforms appearing as uninvited guests would do that to you.
Dad took it a different way. He went to bed and slept like a log.




bounty44 -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 3:10:40 PM)

ken you are saying whats happening to the father is BS? that is, that it shouldn't be happening?




RemoteUser -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 3:44:35 PM)

I'm surprised no one mentioned two other tentative contributing factors: mimickry and inflation.

Mimickry is pretty much a no-brainer - the kids do what you do. If you spend a lot of time at home, chances are so will your children. If you'd rather watch TV than go on a hike, your kids will likely emulate that behaviour as well.

Inflation isn't as obvious but still has influence. An economy that forces both parents to work (or the single parent, or primary caregiver, pick your own term, really) changes the landscape of your time management. When you aren't working, you're taking care of the house, buying groceries, keeping yourself afloat: and you keep your child alongside you to know where they are, what they're up to, and to have any semblance of time with them. I'll cite my own living arrangement to clarify the example. I wake up at 7:45, get my son up, he eats while I shower, we dress, brush our teeth, groom and head out by 8:30. He goes to school, I go to work. At 3 my father picks up my son from school, picks me up at 3:15, we go home and I have to finish my work from home. At 5 I'm done, then it's time to make lunches, wash dishes, start supper. We eat around 6:30, his favourite cartoon is on at 7. At 7:30 he hits the showr and is in bed by 8. In my life...quality time, what's that? I have time for myself from the time my son goes to bed, until I go to bed, but my time with him is confined to the weekends mostly, when we're not getting groceries, doing laundry, or cleaning up the parts of the house that were neglected for most of the week. (He's very responsible and has lots of chores, for which he earms a decent allowance.) Because of how I have to arrange my life to make ends meet and provide a good home, my son has little to no free range time, and when he does I get nervous because a lot of kids around here pick on him for his autism. He feels safer with me in the house, although sometimes in the good weather I can encourage him to play with his friends in the park across the road.

I would love to have more time with my boy, but keeping him on a strict schedule (which helps his autism and his ADD) while tending to my own strict schedule to give him something like a good life is a juggling game every single day, and yes, my personal economy factors hugely into that.

I would have little doubt that there are other single parents out there who can easily recognize what I mean about inflation playing a big role in the "freedom" of their kids.




PeonForHer -> RE: free range kids vs helicopter parents (2/21/2015 5:49:54 PM)

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Dad took it a different way. He went to bed and slept like a log.


Excellent. Good man. [:D] That's the kind of spirit that won us the war.




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