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RE: Progressive Education - 3/4/2015 11:37:48 AM   
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While reviewing one of the sample publications, committee members came across material that demonstrated an overt lack of sensitivity to the portrayal of members of the Arab world,” SSFC’s funding recommendation to the Minnesota Republic said. ~Campus Reform

Ironically, the funding committee is apparently oblivious to their own "overt lack of sensitivity" in suggesting that any portrayal of terrorists is inherently a portrayal of members of the Arab world. But of course, that would require at least some minimal contact with reality.


Its always a good thing to look up where information is coming from. The Campus Report's About section:

Campus Reform, a project of the Leadership Institute, is America's leading site for college news.

As a watchdog to the nation's higher education system, Campus Reform exposes bias and abuse on the nation's college campuses.

Our team of professional journalists works alongside student activists and student journalists to report on the conduct and misconduct of university administrators, faculty, and students.

Campus Reform holds itself to rigorous journalism standards and strives to present each story with accuracy, objectivity, and public accountability.

Sounds innocent, right? What is that organization they mention they are a part of? The Leadership Institute? Well who are they, and their viewpoint?

Founded in 1979 by its president, Morton C. Blackwell, LI provides training in campaigns, fundraising, grassroots organizing, youth politics, and communications. The Institute teaches conservatives of all ages how to succeed in politics, government, and the media. SOURCE

Yes, because conservatives in politics, government and most importantly the media, have....ALWAYS....been honest, right? The whole 'about section' is simply petty attacks towards other people in the stero typical 'football' match or Zero Sum game. That its 'OK" for conservatives to lie, cheat, and be dishonest; but if anyone else does the same, its just....WRONG.

Per the source your quoting, the Campus Reform:

Our publication, derived from the University of Minnesota’s Students for a Conservative Voice (SCV), allows students on campus to share their viewpoints no matter what—even if they are considered offensive.

But if a liberal or moderate organization and/or entity were to say or do something (or both), that was offensive, would the Campus Reform defend them? Come on, Kirata, you must think non-conservative people are as dumb as you are!

Here's another nugget from your 'source':

We do these things to show support for students’ right to say what they want on campus.

So the KKK can say it wants to murder and rape blacks while burning down their dormitories? That this 'Campus Reform' which is a 'front organization' for the Leadership Institute to push 'conservative ideology' onto unsuspecting Americans, would defend this crap? Anyone that doesn't know the 1st amendment and *ALL its exceptions, should get educated. Anyone in the media that doesn't know this stuff, are total idiots!

Oh an in typical conservative 'fear tactics':

Students on campus should not have to feel as though the university is spying on them, waiting for a chance to strip them of their First Amendment rights. Instead, students—especially on a public campus—should be undeterred in their discourse and dialogue on any issue.

The university, if it is funded with state and federal funds, CAN NOT strip a US Citizen's 1st amendment right away (or ever). That the student is allowed to take the matter to court if they wish. However, the university does have a right in keeping things on campus, safe, sane and reasonable. There are many times controversial people have come onto campuses. On all sides of the political spectrum. But there is a difference between being civilized and being a savage trying to persuade others that they are civilized.


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RE: Progressive Education - 3/4/2015 5:26:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Think again joether on higher ed being a bastion of free speech and thought.

In HuffPo, just for you:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-lukianoff/10-worst-for-free-speech_b_6769564.html

Notice that the Dept of Ed is on the list. Again.

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 12:06:39 AM   
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Think again joether on higher ed being a bastion of free speech and thought.

In HuffPo, just for you:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-lukianoff/10-worst-for-free-speech_b_6769564.html

Notice that the Dept of Ed is on the list. Again.


Ok, what is your point?

That schools have had trouble with the 1st amendment in the last 200+ years? That school officials have to weigh several things on any one issue facing the school at the time? That things become 'he said, she said'?

The point I'm making is of a publication on campus that is not being honest and forth coming with its agenda. That many untrained and uneducated see colleges and universities as 'liberal bastions'. When reality is quite different; but lets not impose reality on these people, right? Since that would cause much of the bullshit of this 'campus reform' for what it is: finding ways to attack others without decency and sense of dignity. Creating issues to be an asshole and they cry "oh, this liberal campus is being intolerant of my views'; when those views were a set up fulling knowing it would generate anger and negative reaction.

That's like someone walking into a crowded theater and shouting 'FIRE' and then standing back with a smile to watch everyone scrambling to get out of the building. Then complains when they are arrested that they were innocent and said 'TIRE' the whole time.

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 9:49:03 AM   
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"The vigilant protection of constitutional freedoms is nowhere more vital than in the community of American schools." Shelton v. Tucker , 364 U.S. 479, 487 (1960). This is particularly true of public universities, where "[t]eachers and students must always remain free to inquire, to study and to evaluate, to gain new maturity and understanding." Sweezy v. New Hampshire, 354 U.S. 234, 250 (1957). The freedoms of speech, assembly, and petition must be zealously guarded because "[t]he college classroom with its surrounding environs is peculiarly the ‘marketplace of ideas." Healy v. James, 408 U.S. 169, 180 (1972). Recognizing the gravity of these principles, the United States Supreme Court has held that "state colleges and universities are not enclaves immune from the sweep of the First Amendment," id., and it has stressed that "[t]he first danger to liberty lies in granting the State the power" to limit these freedoms "against a background and tradition of thought and experiment that is at the center of our intellectual and philosophic tradition." Rosenberger v. Rector & Visitors of Univ. of Va., 515 U.S. 819, 835 (1995). ~Source

Background of the case is here.

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 10:23:39 AM   
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More insanity...

The University of Minnesota has discontinued using race in campus crime alerts sent to the Twin Cities community... “We have heard from many in our community that the use of race in suspect descriptions in our Crime Alerts may unintentionally reinforce racist stereotypes of Black men, and other people of color, as criminals and threats," Kaler said in the email obtained by Campus Reform. “That in turn can create an oppressive climate for some members of our community, a climate of suspicion and hostility.” ~Campus Reform

There's a rapist on campus, be we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings so we're not releasing his description. Have a nice day!

K.



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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 10:24:53 AM   
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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 11:01:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee
Think again joether on higher ed being a bastion of free speech and thought.

In HuffPo, just for you:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-lukianoff/10-worst-for-free-speech_b_6769564.html

Notice that the Dept of Ed is on the list. Again.


Ok, what is your point?

That schools have had trouble with the 1st amendment in the last 200+ years? That school officials have to weigh several things on any one issue facing the school at the time? That things become 'he said, she said'?

The point I'm making is of a publication on campus that is not being honest and forth coming with its agenda. That many untrained and uneducated see colleges and universities as 'liberal bastions'. When reality is quite different; but lets not impose reality on these people, right? Since that would cause much of the bullshit of this 'campus reform' for what it is: finding ways to attack others without decency and sense of dignity. Creating issues to be an asshole and they cry "oh, this liberal campus is being intolerant of my views'; when those views were a set up fulling knowing it would generate anger and negative reaction.

That's like someone walking into a crowded theater and shouting 'FIRE' and then standing back with a smile to watch everyone scrambling to get out of the building. Then complains when they are arrested that they were innocent and said 'TIRE' the whole time.
And what about the liberal views that generate anger, joether? Or are those allowed to be expressed because they come from a place of "rightness"?

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 12:43:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		But why would the rightwing Nazi shiteaters have an equal view, in that this is about progressive education? Yet we see that all these ignorant fucking things eminate from the rightwing Nazi shiteaters inserting their special overarching governmental control in education.

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 1:14:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
More insanity...

The University of Minnesota has discontinued using race in campus crime alerts sent to the Twin Cities community... “We have heard from many in our community that the use of race in suspect descriptions in our Crime Alerts may unintentionally reinforce racist stereotypes of Black men, and other people of color, as criminals and threats," Kaler said in the email obtained by Campus Reform. “That in turn can create an oppressive climate for some members of our community, a climate of suspicion and hostility.” ~Campus Reform

There's a rapist on campus, be we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings so we're not releasing his description. Have a nice day!


Do yourself a favor; dont try to pass off your bullshit as sanity!

Most sane people contact the local police. Failing that, the FBI. Either way, the law enforcement would hunt down the rapist and deal with them.

They dont call some right-wing organization that will state a slanted view on things. *THAT* is insanity!

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 1:26:43 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		Ja that is definitely a right wing Nazi shiteater blog. And of course there are many who are gullible as well as of less than cretinous intellect.

Here is the actual news from the actual UofM by the actual people:

http://discover.umn.edu/news/campus-community/u-m-changes-approach-suspect-descriptions-crime-alerts

And the actual email distributed to the campus: *NB: LET US BE CLEAR...

http://safe-u.umn.edu/crime-alerts-message.html

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 1:42:30 PM   
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Nicely weasel-worded, but there's no way to slice this to make it palatable...

We have heard from many in our community that the use of race in suspect descriptions in our Crime Alerts may unintentionally reinforce racist stereotypes of Black men, and other people of color, as criminals and threats. That in turn can create an oppressive climate for some members of our community, a climate of suspicion and hostility.

We are committed to creating a welcoming and diverse campus. To do so, we must ensure our campus is safe for all of our students, faculty, and staff while balancing interests that are sometimes competing. Our safety practices need to reflect an ongoing awareness of that balance.

To that end, today, Vice President Wheelock is announcing a change that will reduce the use of suspect descriptions in Crime Alerts when there is insufficient detail to reasonably aid in individual identification. ~U.M. campuswide email

It is not in the interest of campus safety to withhold any available information about a suspect.

K.


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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 1:47:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you get a great deal of your brain cut out? You are missing large pieces of the message there, and you are coming out garbled.

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 2:03:42 PM   
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Progressive education (media division)...

Do you eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner? What?? Did you say yes????

You're an anti-science raaaciiiiiist!

K.


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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 2:13:12 PM   
mnottertail


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Status: offline 		That has got to be more rightwing Nazi shiteaters that say that. I dont see them as progressive though.

Regarding the article that you are slobbering about, it is actually good science.

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 3:28:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee
Think again joether on higher ed being a bastion of free speech and thought.

In HuffPo, just for you:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-lukianoff/10-worst-for-free-speech_b_6769564.html

Notice that the Dept of Ed is on the list. Again.


Ok, what is your point?

That schools have had trouble with the 1st amendment in the last 200+ years? That school officials have to weigh several things on any one issue facing the school at the time? That things become 'he said, she said'?

The point I'm making is of a publication on campus that is not being honest and forth coming with its agenda. That many untrained and uneducated see colleges and universities as 'liberal bastions'. When reality is quite different; but lets not impose reality on these people, right? Since that would cause much of the bullshit of this 'campus reform' for what it is: finding ways to attack others without decency and sense of dignity. Creating issues to be an asshole and they cry "oh, this liberal campus is being intolerant of my views'; when those views were a set up fulling knowing it would generate anger and negative reaction.

That's like someone walking into a crowded theater and shouting 'FIRE' and then standing back with a smile to watch everyone scrambling to get out of the building. Then complains when they are arrested that they were innocent and said 'TIRE' the whole time.


So. . .

18-22 year olds are mature enough to assume six-figure debt, but too immature to handle fee speech?

Is it any wonder students graduate from these places with a completely warped view of inalienable rights?


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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 4:07:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		"That many untrained and uneducated see colleges and universities as 'liberal bastions'. When reality is quite different"

since I've not been reading intimately, I may be missing some of the context of that statement, or its implied meaning, or if its somehow supposed to sarcasm, but as to the plain meaning of the words: that's actually a pretty shocking statement...

and id be happy to go on at length as to just how colleges and universities are indeed "liberal bastions"...and risk showing myself as "untrained and uneducated" in the process.

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 8:42:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata
More insanity...

The University of Minnesota has discontinued using race in campus crime alerts sent to the Twin Cities community... “We have heard from many in our community that the use of race in suspect descriptions in our Crime Alerts may unintentionally reinforce racist stereotypes of Black men, and other people of color, as criminals and threats," Kaler said in the email obtained by Campus Reform. “That in turn can create an oppressive climate for some members of our community, a climate of suspicion and hostility.” ~Campus Reform

There's a rapist on campus, be we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings so we're not releasing his description. Have a nice day!


Do yourself a favor; dont try to pass off your bullshit as sanity!

Most sane people contact the local police. Failing that, the FBI. Either way, the law enforcement would hunt down the rapist and deal with them.

They dont call some right-wing organization that will state a slanted view on things. *THAT* is insanity!

~chokes~ Yes...always turn to the left for a fair, unbiased, perfectly level view

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 9:04:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

~chokes~ Yes...always turn to the left for a fair, unbiased, perfectly level view

Obviously some people believe that lists of logical fallacies are just right-wing propaganda.

K.






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RE: Progressive Education - 3/5/2015 11:26:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

~chokes~ Yes...always turn to the left for a fair, unbiased, perfectly level view

Obviously some people believe that lists of logical fallacies are just right-wing propaganda.

K.


Gotta love that non-hating, liberal tolerance of all viewpoints:

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/conservative-muslim-student-mocks-liberals-gets-suspended-campus-paper-apartment-vandalized

And more evidence of the love of vigorous discourse: "This deliberate effort, packaged as “Michigan in Color,” is an endless parade of trigger warnings, microaggressions, and the like. From a free speech perspective, the content is not the problem; news outlets should feel free to run whatever they like—that’s the whole point. But all too often, people who hold the far-left perspective on these issues are willing to resort to censorship to protect their positions."

http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/27/students-newspapers-desecrating-free-spe

The 'culprit' column:

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/20236/

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RE: Progressive Education - 3/6/2015 4:57:02 AM   
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Mahmood's satirical essay nails it, and so does Chait in New York magazine:

political correctness is not a rigorous commitment to social equality so much as a system of left-wing ideological repression. Not only is it not a form of liberalism; it is antithetical to liberalism ... [and] makes debate irrelevant and frequently impossible. ~Link

K.

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