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Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 11:07:57 AM   
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Despicable left wing propagandist Mother Jones has been caught in another lie

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Ex-NBC Bureau Chief Backs Up O’Reilly’s Account of Falklands War Riot

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ex-nbc-bureau-chief-backs-up-oreillys-account-of-falklands-war-riot/


Pretty bold... FOX News Derangement Syndrome on full display.

Not really news, though. Just more of the same

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 11:17:27 AM   
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You call it a lie and back it up with what? An article discussing how they were in a protest turned violent no where near the Falkan islands? Oreilly repeatedly stated he was in the Falkans, which was not true and this is where Oreilly is stealing valid. He wasn't in a war zone, he was in a riot, they're not the same thing. The facts are that during this engagement, only one non-British news representative were allowed on the Falkan islands, and that one reporter wasn't Oreilly. I know cons have a tendency to deny reality, but you just took it to a whole new level sanity

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 11:17:40 AM   
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LOL, right wing propaganda trumps left wing propaganda?



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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 2:13:46 PM   
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Oreilly repeatedly stated he was in the Falkans, which was not true


bill oreilly is saying that he never said he was on the falklands. he said he was covering the falklands war. do you actually have video or audio of him saying what you are accusing him of? im at a disadvantage in that I cant watch video, but im sure someone else here would be able to.


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He wasn't in a war zone


I don't know that he said he was a war zone either---I believe he mentioned "combat situation", which when he experienced argentianian troops firing on the crowd storming the presidents palace doesn't seem too far off the mark.

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he was in a riot, they're not the same thing.


see my point above

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The facts are that during this engagement, only one non-British news representative were allowed on the Falkan islands, and that one reporter wasn't Oreilly


see my point above

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I know cons have a tendency to deny reality, but you just took it to a whole new level sanity


I trust there are a lot of us (I know I would) who would appreciate it if you left out the partisan snark and just dealt with the facts of the story.

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 2:20:57 PM   
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http://thedailybanter.com/2015/02/bill-oreillys-falklands-lies-thoroughly-debunked/

How about the lies right out of his own lying mouth?

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 2:45:31 PM   
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it takes me a really long time to read so i'll have to do that and then get back...

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 2:46:50 PM   
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Oh, wait, you dont got video? You might not have to. Its on video.

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 2:55:07 PM   
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In case he cant find it for whatever BS reason, I'll give him a link to one pretty easy to find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiTbq8OAqbM

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 3:26:42 PM   
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do you recall my asking you in my last post to leave out the snark?

do you somehow think im more inclined to want to answer you, or do the work to find out what I think about the whole matter when you are insulting?

and if you both look again carefully, you will notice I said I cannot watch video...




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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 3:53:27 PM   
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Sorry about the snark, sometimes I see ignorance and I can't help but make fun.

And you never said you couldn't watch video, you mentioned that you'd take a while to read, so you can understand our misunderstanding.

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 4:05:41 PM   
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Bottom line, do not rely on one source for your info. Second, third and fourth party verification is always good.

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 4:49:47 PM   
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Sorry about the snark, sometimes I see ignorance and I can't help but make fun.

And you never said you couldn't watch video, you mentioned that you'd take a while to read, so you can understand our misunderstanding.


bill oreilly is saying that he never said he was on the falklands. he said he was covering the falklands war. do you actually have video or audio of him saying what you are accusing him of? im at a disadvantage in that I cant watch video, but im sure someone else here would be able to.


and to who's "ignorance" do you refer?

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/24/2015 5:00:22 PM   
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I am struck by the who-gives-a-shit meter which for me...sits on zero. Talk about nit picking.

(does anybody recall how Mother Jones was NEVER lying when during the cold war, they had writers always telling us...the Russians were coming, when most just knew, there was no fucking way ?)

Just because Fox says something...doesn't mean it's not true.

That's why I don't watch ANYBODY. I am so sick and tired of ALL talking heads.....

I NEVER watched Brian Williams and I didn't even watch the Daily News knowing full well that it was fucking comedy and I even like Jon.

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/25/2015 12:32:36 AM   
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Eric Engberg, a former CBS correspondent who worked alongside O’Reilly, challenged his old colleague’s depiction of the environment as a “war zone,” saying it was more of an “expense account zone” ...According to Engberg, the riot was short-lived and consisted mainly of chanting, fist-shaking and coin-throwing. ~Yahoo News

Yeah, no. Go to 3:51 in this video to watch Engberg's own actual reporting from the scene and decide for yourself.

On the other hand, O'Reilly did say (at 0:31 here): “I was in a situation one time, in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands...

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/25/2015 2:27:24 AM   
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He must have a new book coming out.


He lied? well what a surprise
he is loving this media circus, threatening people and claiming its a smear on fox,
Semantics is a lot of it, he did claim he was in the falklands in one of his his books (In his 2001 book, The No Spin Zone: Confrontations with the Powerful and Famous in America, O’Reilly wrote, “You know that I am not easily shocked. I’ve reported on the ground in active war zones from El Salvador to the Falklands.”) altho, LOL it can be seen as semantics, 1000 miles away in Buenos aires covering a riot because the argentinians had "surrendered" is NOT being in the falklands.
His detractors, up to eight journalists now....claim he wasnt involved, and that he has (in his own unique way) used journalistic license
pointing out that there were no people killed and that altho the military were firing rubber bullets, they were firing over the head of the crowd, not into it as he"posited"

The CBS report runs short of proving him a liar, it doesnt absolve him either.
he is gonna get so many people butt hurt about this "unfairness". to poor ol bill and FNC
oh and this this morning


http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/news/reporters-tape-exposes-bill-oreillys-jfk-fib/
Investigator’s tape exposes Bill O’Reilly’s JFK fib

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/02/bill-oreillys-most-bizarre-lie-yet-centers

oh and threats to a NY reporter.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/02/bill-oreilly-threatens-ny-times-reporter-202990.html?ml=po_r
Fox News host Bill O'Reilly threatened a New York Times reporter on Monday night, promising to come after the reporter "with everything I have" if he felt that any of the reporter's coverage about his Falklands war controversy was inappropriate.

"Mr. O’Reilly’s efforts to refute the claims by Mother Jones and some former CBS News colleagues occurred both on the air and off on Monday," the Times' Emily Steel and Ravi Somaiya reported. "During a phone conversation, he told a reporter for The New York Times that there would be repercussions if he felt any of the reporter’s coverage was inappropriate. 'I am coming after you with everything I have,' Mr. O’Reilly said. 'You can take it as a threat.'”

Steel confirmed on Twitter that she was the reporter in question. Reached by email late Monday night, she declined to comment further, noting that "the story speaks for itself." A Fox News spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment from O'Reilly.

The Times article was published just hours after O'Reilly sought to put an end to the controversy surrounding claims he made about his experiences during the Falklands War in 1982. "I want to stop this now,” he said after a segment about the controversy. “I hope we can stop it. I really do.”

Mother Jones journalists David Corn and Daniel Schulman have alleged that O'Reilly lied about being present in a "war zone" and "combat situation" during the Falklands War, and that he even suggested he had gone to the Falkland Islands. O'Reilly was present at a violent demonstration in Buenos Aires during which police fired into the crowd. He says he never claimed to have been in the Falkland Islands and has defended his characterization of the protest as a "combat zone."

Corn and Schulman also noted that O'Reilly falsely claimed that "many were killed" during the demonstration. On Monday night's broadcast, O'Reilly argued that a casualty count was impossible to determine.

On Monday, there was also a back and forth over Mr. O’Reilly’s use of a New York Times article from 1982 reporting on the protests in Buenos Aires during an interview on Sunday’s Media Buzz show on Fox. Mr. O’Reilly faced criticism for cutting out a key phrase when he read excerpts from the Times article to back up his assertions that he was reporting from a war zone. The article read: “One policeman pulled a pistol, firing five shots over the heads of fleeing demonstrators.” Mr. O’Reilly left out that the shots were “over the heads of fleeing demonstrators.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/business/media/bill-oreilly-and-fox-news-redouble-defense-of-his-falklands-reporting.html?_r=0

He is lapping this up in wonderful bill o'reilly spin and "righteous" anger land.
It boosts the ratings dont ya know, irritates the base and as fox wont launch an investigation into his" questionable" facts, its pointless ....





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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/25/2015 3:28:07 AM   
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Wouldn't Bill O'Reilly be proud of the title of this thread! It seems Sanity has learnt how to sell a story with a headline that totally misrepresents the actual state of affairs, replacing the facts with a self serving slogan, standard journalistic practice on Fox that any of O'Reilly's regular viewers would have absorbed (if only) through constant repetition.


Congratulations are due to Sanity for elevating the one of his posts up to the *exalted* levels of B O'Reilly's 'journalism', and the notoriously dubious standards of Fox. If only he could show such devotion to the facts instead of his usual practice of mindlessly parroting Right wing talking points and propaganda.....

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/25/2015 3:36:55 AM   
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He would Tweak...I thought about sending him a link to it, he would be so proud.

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/25/2015 3:45:29 AM   
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quote:

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Eric Engberg, a former CBS correspondent who worked alongside O’Reilly, challenged his old colleague’s depiction of the environment as a “war zone,” saying it was more of an “expense account zone” ...According to Engberg, the riot was short-lived and consisted mainly of chanting, fist-shaking and coin-throwing. ~Yahoo News

Yeah, no. Go to 3:51 in this video to watch Engberg's own actual reporting from the scene and decide for yourself.

On the other hand, O'Reilly did say (at 0:31 here): “I was in a situation one time, in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands...

K.




I saw the "I was in a situation one time, in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands" quote there too...and my sticking point with that is the sentence is internally nonsensical if we try to make it read like bill oreilly was saying he was actually on the Falkland islands. he is describing just one specific situation he was in so it cannot logically be occurring in two different places at the same time. the only way I can make sense of this is to say he means to communicate he was physically in argentina, during "the falklands", which would be a sort of umbrella way to describe the war and his reason for being in argentina. another way to say it would be, I was in argentina in the falklands war.

I have a similar sense going on with the fussing about "war zone or combat zone." I can see someone caught up in the middle of a riot, with soldiers firing at people, somehow connected to the war, could say "I was in a war zone" or whatever it was he said...especially when he lumps his being there in sentences that describe him being in other "war zones" too.

as I read along I wonder how much of this is wrangling over semantics...I see wiggle room on both sides for interpretation.

that said---on the surface or at first glance, bill oreilly seems to not look good here, but what would be really welcome (and is probably necessary) would be for a journalist to sit down with him, and have them go back and forth with each other on assertion/refutation until all the points have been, if not satisfied, then at least addressed. otherwise, it reads like two ships shooting at each other from far away with neither one really sinking the other.

I trust more to the story's going to unfold in the days/weeks ahead...







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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/25/2015 3:54:42 AM   
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O'Reilly is the kind of guy to bring his accusers on to his show. FOX is like that, give everyone a voice.

Its called balance, its refreshing, and the ratings are insanely high

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RE: Mother Jones Lied Again - 2/25/2015 3:56:49 AM   
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Yeah, no. Go to 3:51 in this video to watch Engberg's own actual reporting from the scene and decide for yourself.


Okay. I watched this video and I never saw O'Reilly. Do we have any evidence that he was actually near South America, at the time?

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On the other hand, O'Reilly did say (at 0:31 here): “I was in a situation one time, in a war zone in Argentina, in the Falklands...

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Well, he definitely claimed to be in a war zone. I have to admit; while I know this is some kind of mass media effort to "rehabilitate by deflection" one, Brian Williams, I don't think the two situations equate.

If O'Reilly was in Argentina/The Falklands at the time, there certainly seemed to be some violence, going on. It's possible that he did drag a cameraman out of harm's way. Is the cameraman still alive?

On the other hand, Brian Williams lied through he's fucking teeth about an incident that never happened (maybe several). We know, for a fact that he lied. Where's the tie-in?

One story (O'Reilly's) is possibly true and hinges on a judgment call as to whether it was a riot (violence) or a war zone (violence) and the other statement is known to be impossible .

Game. Set. Match. Next.



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