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bounty44 -> RE: Mother Jones Lied Again (2/25/2015 4:06:47 AM)

that all said---to actually try to bring it back to a narrower point---it seems the op's original point had to do with the riots. though yes the riots are embedded in the whole larger issue it seems, its still its own distinct instance---so the question is did mother jones lie about/misrepresent that?

I tend not to like the word "lie" unless you actually can catch someone in it, and that's not usually the case for us---even the concept of "misrepresent" can have motives that we as readers cannot necessarily ascertain. although in this case its easy to see some of the motives.

the better construction on it might be, in terms of the riot, they didn't seem to do all their due diligence before they spoke...




DaddySatyr -> RE: Mother Jones Lied Again (2/25/2015 4:16:03 AM)


This was kind of my point:


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

the better construction on it might be, in terms of the riot, they didn't seem to do all their due diligence before they spoke...



I think "riot" and "war zone" in this instance, is a matter of perception/slant.

If O'Reilly was in Argentina, while that country was at war with old blighty ... how are people defining "war zone"?

If someone could come up with a piece of video (I've not seen any and I don't remember O'Reilly reporting on that war but I was busy with other stuff) that puts O'Reilly anywhere near some violence (whether on the mainland or the islands), I might be willing to give him a pass, on this one.

I've been in the middle of some violence, right here, at home that while I was amidst it, certainly resembled a war zone. I've heard reporters say: "The place looks like a war zone" (even after natural disasters).

But, again; I think we're bandying semantics, in this case, in an effort to "excuse" Helicopter boy.



Michael




Sanity -> RE: Mother Jones Lied Again (2/25/2015 4:16:09 AM)


It was a hit piece, on the tail of Brian Williams' implosion. Mother Jones (leftist freaks) cannot stand for FOX's ratings and Williams gave them some inspiration, so they started digging

"I was in a war zone..."

Check

"In Argentina..."

Check

"In the Falklands..."

In the Falklands war, check

Everything else that was said, check. He was casually describing an experience from memory. Compared to the lie that Dan Rather invented, to the stories that Brian Williams wholly invented, O'Reilly is the very god of truth and reality

Despite the leftist hit piece









DaddySatyr -> RE: Mother Jones Lied Again (2/25/2015 4:22:46 AM)


It's the old rule of law that the left has co-opted for its own use.

The new lefty version is:

quote:



"When the facts are on your side, argue the facts. When they aren't on your side, argue the law. When neither is on your side, call the other (original: "lawyer") person names"



Nothing to see, here. Move along.



Michael




Lucylastic -> RE: Mother Jones Lied Again (2/25/2015 4:29:05 AM)

but he didnt go to the falklands
he was a thousand miles away
thats like someone saying they were at ground zero calling in from chicago




tweakabelle -> RE: Mother Jones Lied Again (2/25/2015 6:35:39 AM)

O'Reilly admits to being in a "war zone', which in the context of the Falklands War could only mean being on the Falklands Islands themselves while the fighting was happening. The Islands and the surrounding seas were the only war zone in that war.

It turns out now that the "war zone" O'Reilly is referring to was in downtown Buenos Aires, and that it wasn't a war at all, but a riot or civil unrest. In other words O'Reilly wants us to believe that downtown Buenos Aires during a period of civil unrest/riot was a "war zone", part of the actual war being fought between the Argentines and the British using real armies air forces and navies with lots of casualties and fatalities on both sides. O'Reilly also claims to have rescued an injured cameraman that night, saving him from being shot by the security services.

From the New York Times:
"Mr. O’Reilly faced criticism for cutting out a key phrase when he read excerpts from the Times article to back up his assertions that he was reporting from a war zone. The article read: “One policeman pulled a pistol, firing five shots over the heads of fleeing demonstrators.” Mr. O’Reilly left out that the shots were “over the heads of fleeing demonstrators.”
[snip]

Rich Meislin, the Times reporter who wrote the article, said on Facebook that as far as he knew no demonstrators were shot or killed by police that night. On Monday, Mr. O’Reilly said he was just reading clips from the piece during the Media Buzz interview and that official reports on casualties there were difficult to obtain.

Mr. Engberg, the former CBS News correspondent, also strongly disputed Mr. O’Reilly’s claim that he had rescued an injured cameraman while being chased by the Argentine army. “Nobody reported a cameraman being shot or injured,” he said. His account was supported by a senior member of the CBS News management team, with close knowledge of the events that night, who said that nobody was reported injured, and no request for medical attention was made to CBS News’s local medical team.

Another CBS News correspondent on the ground, Charles Gomez, said in an interview that though he likes Mr. O’Reilly and was surprised by the accusations, his memories matched those of his former colleagues.

“I do remember that there was tension between the authorities and the crowd,” he said, but added that he “did not see any bloodshed.” No cameraman was injured, he said, to the best of his recollection. Mr. Gomez, who covered wars in Nicaragua and other conflict zones, said he would not describe the events that night as war.

“What was happening on the Falkland Islands was a war zone,” he said. “What was happening in Buenos Aires was unrest.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/24/business/media/bill-oreilly-and-fox-news-redouble-defense-of-his-falklands-reporting.html?_r=0


You are welcome to believe O'Reilly if you so choose, but if you do, I have bridge here in Sydney that I can offer you a very good deal on (cash only thanks).




mnottertail -> RE: Mother Jones Lied Again (2/25/2015 7:40:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

do you recall my asking you in my last post to leave out the snark?

do you somehow think im more inclined to want to answer you, or do the work to find out what I think about the whole matter when you are insulting?

and if you both look again carefully, you will notice I said I cannot watch video...






Maybe you leave out the snark chief, and I will too. I only saw the bit about you can't watch video after I posted the fuckin thing. You would have to be a real toilet licker to see snark in my comments. I, of course, if snarked at will forever make you look like a goddamn fool. It might be that it is difficult to frame a texture of meaning and words on these pixels, and so I will not get too far gone here, but I did that in all clear conscienced and lingual reality, to save you time reading,if you can't see the video, since that was the thrust of my comment.

But look, this is not gonna be asynchronous, ok, sport?




mnottertail -> RE: Mother Jones Lied Again (2/25/2015 12:26:57 PM)

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/02/24/oreilly-lied-about-suicide-of-jfk-assassination/202655

Oh, yeah, here we go, those guys at Faux Nuze, you can get them in millions of lies, 'They', or 'Some' say.





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