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epiphiny43 -> RE: Climate scientist under investigation for witchcraft (3/2/2015 3:56:25 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43
Back to reality: A google search will reveal research on mid level ocean temps in the Southern Ocean that nicely account for the 'missing' heat of the supposed lost years of planet warming.
Yeah, no.
Study Finds Earth’s Ocean Abyss Has Not Warmed
The cold waters of Earth’s deep ocean have not warmed measurably since 2005, according to a new NASA study, leaving unsolved the mystery of why global warming appears to have slowed in recent years. Scientists at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, analyzed satellite and direct ocean temperature data from 2005 to 2013 and found the ocean abyss below 1.24 miles (1,995 meters) has not warmed measurably.
Source: NASA
K.
More problems with reading comprehension?? The study found no Deep level heating. SOooo, ya like that study? Maybe you should have READ it before posting the link? It's the one I was referring to. What I said was mid-level heating, not deep. The last three paragraphs of the study:
"Coauthor Felix Landerer of JPL noted that during the same period warming in the top half of the ocean continued unabated, an unequivocal sign that our planet is heating up. Some recent studies reporting deep-ocean warming were, in fact, referring to the warming in the upper half of the ocean but below the topmost layer, which ends about 0.4 mile (700 meters) down.*
Landerer also is a coauthor of another paper in the same journal issue on 1970-2005 ocean warming in the Southern Hemisphere. Before Argo floats were deployed, temperature measurements in the Southern Ocean were spotty, at best. Using satellite measurements and climate simulations of sea level changes around the world, the new study found the global ocean absorbed far more heat in those 35 years than previously thought -- a whopping 24 to 58 percent more than early estimates.*
Both papers result from the work of the newly formed NASA Sea Level Change Team, an interdisciplinary group tasked with using NASA satellite data to improve the accuracy and scale of current and future estimates of sea level change. The Southern Hemisphere paper was led by three scientists at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in Livermore, California."
* my bold
Considerably more heating of the upper half or so of the Global Ocean is an incredibly vast amount of calories to just 'find', water holding far more heat per volume than air.
Another recent study including considerably more N. American and other climate stations increased calculated atmospheric heating, most of the 'missing' heat is now accounted for. So much for the planet warming failing.
It's notable that Real scientists aren't happy with the better fit of data to theory, they are still working to see how the now far smaller gaps between data and prediction can be reconciled, working both ends. Fine tuning all climate models with each new understanding and looking for more comprehensive and finer grain data collection to find yet more cycles and dynamics in a vast planetary system we may be centuries fully defining. But for now, yeah, it's getting Warmer.
The difference between Science and other belief systems is simple. Scientists are dedicated students of natural phenomena who stop arguing and Go Look at things, in far more depth and length of study, lately with unprecedented tools and instruments. If this agreed with previous far less intensive study, we'd all be surprised? Then like good explorers or surveyors always have, they bring back 'maps', notes and descriptions of not only what they found but how they went about it so others could test the data at later times with similar or improved instruments, spotting trends and cycles single studies can't. This lets knowledge build and interrelate so each worker contributes to a general advance with the obvious possibilities for skeptics to challenge precise methods and data to spot errors in method or calculation.
The canard that Global Warming is just a cash cow scientists are riding to riches is laughable. Compared to the money the oil industry and partisan politics are throwing behind denial, it's peanuts.
When the top level Pentagon strategists are spending serious time and resources studying what conflicts are expected and when as sea level rises (Expectations are up to a third of humanity and over half of urban humans will be displaced by low end predictions of sea level change, and far more by mid to high end projections.) and water resource availability change across the planet, affecting not only food security but almost every level of commerce and industry. You'd think less educated and less patriotic people would get the message and start thinking how to best deal with the situation that's developing instead of acting as stooges for selfish interests trying to get all the cash out of a failing system before it crashes. Big Oil and such would do far better to invest the money thrown at phoney science and to pay off 'for rent' politicians if they invested the money in technologies that are obviously just over the horizon that just might alter the trajectory we now see to maybe the end of urban industrial culture. They'd end up richer and their own children and grandkids might actually have a still semi-decent planet to live on.
But what big corporation headed by bean counters likes getting ahead of the curve? Any totally predictable setback in researching and transitioning to disruptive technologies panics the investors and brings accusations of failing 'Fiduciary Responsibility', which seems to be only to quarterly share dividends, not to the long term survival of both corporation and investor, and the larger society it functions within.
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