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orgasmdenial12 -> RE: Taming a sub's unconscious mind (2/28/2015 12:44:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
Orgasm releases testosterone in both men and women, making them more independent, able to think critically, more decisive, more active, more willing to stand up for themselves.

If you remove that, but keep in the activities that create dopamine (edging, affection, play), you will create a super happy and addicted sub.

In very basic terms.



I'm not sure about the testosterone connection (I seem to do fairly well with the critical thinking, decisiveness and assertiveness regardless of whether I engage in denial or not) but I do agree on the subject of dopamine.

It's my belief that the effects of denial may be connected to the interplay of dopamine and prolactin. Dopamine builds over the two weeks after orgasm, and peaks during foreplay and pre-orgasmic sex. After orgasm, dopamine drops and prolactin rises and remains higher for up to 2 weeks.

People who do 'tease and denial' may be unconsciously raising their dopamine levels, through engaging in sexual foreplay or even full sex, without orgasm. In subjects who engaged in sex without orgasm, prolactin was lower after sex than before it, suggesting that orgasm denial may raise dopamine and lower prolactin.

Higher levels of dopamine are thought to be associated with increased energy, libido, improved pain tolerance, feelings of motivation, well being, satisfaction, pleasure, sociability and love.

Excessive levels of dopamine are associated with risk taking, increased 'craving' for sexual behaviour, sexual 'addiction' and sexual fetishism, as well as compulsive and addictive behaviour, gambling, aggression and psychosis.

Prolactin appears to depress the sexual libido, and excess prolactin is associated with mood changes, depression, hostility, anxiety, headaches and lack of sexual response, so keeping prolactin levels low will most likely increase the libido and reduce hostility and anxiety.

All of this is hypothesis, although with reasonable scientific backing. When combined with the hypothesised oxytocin effects of love-making, it may be that orgasm denial ramps up sexual arousal and feelings of love whilst improving pain tolerance and feeds into the compulsive or craving manifestations of sexual fetishes.

I read a bunch of websites and can't be bothered going back to find links, but hopefully what I have said is basic enough and fairly well accepted in the field of neurochemistry that a simple google search would confirm what I have said here, in case anyone wants to read articles.




GoddessManko -> RE: Taming a sub's unconscious mind (2/28/2015 1:11:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

quote:

ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
Orgasm releases testosterone in both men and women, making them more independent, able to think critically, more decisive, more active, more willing to stand up for themselves.

If you remove that, but keep in the activities that create dopamine (edging, affection, play), you will create a super happy and addicted sub.

In very basic terms.



I'm not sure about the testosterone connection (I seem to do fairly well with the critical thinking, decisiveness and assertiveness regardless of whether I engage in denial or not) but I do agree on the subject of dopamine.

It's my belief that the effects of denial may be connected to the interplay of dopamine and prolactin. Dopamine builds over the two weeks after orgasm, and peaks during foreplay and pre-orgasmic sex. After orgasm, dopamine drops and prolactin rises and remains higher for up to 2 weeks.

People who do 'tease and denial' may be unconsciously raising their dopamine levels, through engaging in sexual foreplay or even full sex, without orgasm. In subjects who engaged in sex without orgasm, prolactin was lower after sex than before it, suggesting that orgasm denial may raise dopamine and lower prolactin.

Higher levels of dopamine are thought to be associated with increased energy, libido, improved pain tolerance, feelings of motivation, well being, satisfaction, pleasure, sociability and love.

Excessive levels of dopamine are associated with risk taking, increased 'craving' for sexual behaviour, sexual 'addiction' and sexual fetishism, as well as compulsive and addictive behaviour, gambling, aggression and psychosis.

Prolactin appears to depress the sexual libido, and excess prolactin is associated with mood changes, depression, hostility, anxiety, headaches and lack of sexual response, so keeping prolactin levels low will most likely increase the libido and reduce hostility and anxiety.

All of this is hypothesis, although with reasonable scientific backing. When combined with the hypothesised oxytocin effects of love-making, it may be that orgasm denial ramps up sexual arousal and feelings of love whilst improving pain tolerance and feeds into the compulsive or craving manifestations of sexual fetishes.

I read a bunch of websites and can't be bothered going back to find links, but hopefully what I have said is basic enough and fairly well accepted in the field of neurochemistry that a simple google search would confirm what I have said here, in case anyone wants to read articles.


Agreed, though even the science of "pheremonal release" is very vague and fetal at best I do not engage in sexual activity because I prefer to Top than be Topped however even the smallest bit of pheromone release from the opposite sex elicits a physical response from me. I think often people really label to make things make sense and sort of "move on" but sometimes in individual cases it is far more complicated than it seems on paper.
I may have excessive levels of dopamine due to years and months on end of tease and denial and chastity and although IF I lacked self control I may be a sex addict, I am not. Meaning my ability to control myself and everything around me is that much higher. Also I can instinctively orgasm on demand if I truly wish to.. I can self arouse anytime I wish to, however with kink it almost immediately rises to the surface, latent sexual desire. I can cum without genitalia arousal, much like DesFIP.
I do not have compulsive or aggressive behavior unless I'm greenlighted to be aggressive (in a good way) and I wish to submerge myself in carnal desire. Even with my current sub I can do as I wish to him, anything really and I do not because I love the nature of his submission and I am deeply protective of him.
I'd say the main difference between me and other girls is when I am in the gym surrounded by testosterone I have to run to the locker room once or twice to use the blow dryer on my yoga pants (and typically I wear two pairs of them to decrease the odds of it). I cannot control physical responses but I can control my mental space. I'm just highly disciplined.




NookieNotes -> RE: Taming a sub's unconscious mind (3/1/2015 3:46:48 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

quote:

ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
Orgasm releases testosterone in both men and women, making them more independent, able to think critically, more decisive, more active, more willing to stand up for themselves.

If you remove that, but keep in the activities that create dopamine (edging, affection, play), you will create a super happy and addicted sub.

In very basic terms.



I'm not sure about the testosterone connection (I seem to do fairly well with the critical thinking, decisiveness and assertiveness regardless of whether I engage in denial or not) but I do agree on the subject of dopamine.

It's my belief that the effects of denial may be connected to the interplay of dopamine and prolactin. Dopamine builds over the two weeks after orgasm, and peaks during foreplay and pre-orgasmic sex. After orgasm, dopamine drops and prolactin rises and remains higher for up to 2 weeks.

People who do 'tease and denial' may be unconsciously raising their dopamine levels, through engaging in sexual foreplay or even full sex, without orgasm. In subjects who engaged in sex without orgasm, prolactin was lower after sex than before it, suggesting that orgasm denial may raise dopamine and lower prolactin.

Higher levels of dopamine are thought to be associated with increased energy, libido, improved pain tolerance, feelings of motivation, well being, satisfaction, pleasure, sociability and love.

Excessive levels of dopamine are associated with risk taking, increased 'craving' for sexual behaviour, sexual 'addiction' and sexual fetishism, as well as compulsive and addictive behaviour, gambling, aggression and psychosis.

Prolactin appears to depress the sexual libido, and excess prolactin is associated with mood changes, depression, hostility, anxiety, headaches and lack of sexual response, so keeping prolactin levels low will most likely increase the libido and reduce hostility and anxiety.

All of this is hypothesis, although with reasonable scientific backing. When combined with the hypothesised oxytocin effects of love-making, it may be that orgasm denial ramps up sexual arousal and feelings of love whilst improving pain tolerance and feeds into the compulsive or craving manifestations of sexual fetishes.

I read a bunch of websites and can't be bothered going back to find links, but hopefully what I have said is basic enough and fairly well accepted in the field of neurochemistry that a simple google search would confirm what I have said here, in case anyone wants to read articles.


Thank you for this. The testosterone point that I made that you responded to has an interesting sidenote.

If you have, throughout your life, enjoyed testosterone as a result of orgasms, other activities, or even just a naturally higher production rate, your brain will have already developed in a more set pattern, with more of the characteristics I mentioned above.

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

Agreed, though even the science of "pheremonal release" is very vague and fetal at best I do not engage in sexual activity because I prefer to Top than be Topped however even the smallest bit of pheromone release from the opposite sex elicits a physical response from me.


I have a very deep response to pheremones as well.




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