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Lucylastic -> Boehners Bummed (2/28/2015 5:01:52 PM)

And WHO can blame him

Can John Boehner survive as House Speaker after DHS debacle?
With just minutes to spare, Congress and President Obama passed a one-week spending bill for the Department of Homeland Security. It was a big setback for Speaker John Boehner, who lost 52 fellow Republicans on the bill he had pushed.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2015/0228/Can-John-Boehner-survive-as-House-Speaker-after-DHS-debacle
Being elected Speaker of the US House of Representatives by his Republican peers should have been the happy culmination of a long congressional career for Rep. John Boehner. Telling his story about rising from modest circumstances – the second of 12 children in a working-class Ohio family – to become a legislative leader and second in order of presidential succession frequently brought tears to his eyes.

But so far, at least, it’s largely been a slog through political swamps. He’s had to fight off not only Democrats but tea partiers and other members of his own party – including the 25 Republican House members who voted for somebody else as Speaker last month in what the Washington Post reported as “the largest rebellion by a party against its incumbent speaker since the Civil War.”

Late Friday night – literally at the 11th hour – Mr. Boehner faced another wall of opposition, into which he crashed.
The stunning House defeat of a three-week spending bill for the Department of Homeland Security exposed Boehner's weakness in the face of rebellious GOP conservatives – 52 of whom went against him.


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It also demonstrated his need to rely on Democrats at critical moments as the minority party's agreement to a one-week spending bill helped the speaker get it over the finish line with only hours to spare before a threatened agency shutdown. President Barack Obama signed the bill shortly before midnight.

The Hill newspaper called Friday night’s vote “a humiliating defeat” for Boehner.

Friday night’s close call on DHS funding also highlights the rift between House and Senate – both controlled by the GOP as a result of last November’s elections.

“We should have never fought this battle,” Senator Mark S. Kirk, (R) of Illinois, told the New York Times. “In my view, in the long run, if you are blessed with the majority, you are blessed with the power to govern. If you’re going to govern, you have to act responsibly.”

“There’s nobody to blame but us now when it comes to the appropriations process,” said Senator Lindsey Graham, (R) of South Carolina. “If we can run the place more traditional, like a business, so to speak, I think we flourish. If we self-inflict on the budget, and the appropriations process, and we can’t get the government managed well, then I think we’re in trouble.”

Politically, can Boehner survive?

“Boehner’s allies are concerned after Friday’s setback that his critics inside the Republican Conference may try to oust him as speaker if – as expected – he puts a long-term DHS funding bill on the House floor next week,” Politico reports. “While Boehner shrugs off such speculation, close friends believe such a move is a real possibility.”

“There is a lot of speculation about this,” said a GOP lawmaker who is close with Boehner. “People are watching for this very, very closely.”

CNN reports two senior House Republican sources warning of a serious concern among those close to the Speaker that if he allows a vote on a clean DHS funding bill – no tie to President Obama’s recent executive action on immigration – conservatives would make a motion to vacate the chair, a direct challenge to his job.

Republicans said they expected that next week the House would end up going along with the Senate’s bill funding Homeland Security through September without immigration changes, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday.

“I don’t think there’s any alternative,” said Rep. Charlie Dent, (R) of Pennsylvania. “When we’re at the end of next week, what do we do?”

More broadly, congressional analyst Chris Krueger of Guggenheim Securities told the newspaper, “The GOP has its largest House majority in over 70 years but that fact is misleading: a 28-seat majority is actually more like a 3-seat majority given that at least 25 Republicans cannot be counted on for the most important votes.”

Therein lies John Boehner’s dilemma. And the hinge on which the future of his speakership may hang.
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Nobody seems to have mentioned this, I thought I should as a public service announcement.[:D]
They have a week to come up with another vote...
is this going to be a petty repeat of this week?
We all know that if DHS shut down and there were to be another attack on US soil, everyone would be screaming for the presidents head...How long will this go on, week by week funding? how long will it take to get it funded for a year?
But to lose this many votes on his own side, so early into their regime has to be troubling to anyone on the right with a working brain which I guess is why he actually DID lose votes.






KenDckey -> RE: Boehners Bummed (2/28/2015 5:19:19 PM)

I know that this isn't a term limits thread but I believe in them And think that should include the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader in the Senate.

Seems 75% of people like term limits in congress http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/02/should-president-obama-or-any-president-be-allowed-to-serve-a-third-term/




Lucylastic -> RE: Boehners Bummed (2/28/2015 6:05:23 PM)

no it isnt a terms limit thread..why dont you make one....
do you have anything to comment on the meat of the ACTUAL thread?
After all you just pointed out in your prosecutorial discretion thread, that it should get back on topic.
This is reality not a "what if" conspiracy thread






DesideriScuri -> RE: Boehners Bummed (2/28/2015 7:15:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Nobody seems to have mentioned this, I thought I should as a public service announcement.[:D]
They have a week to come up with another vote...
is this going to be a petty repeat of this week?
We all know that if DHS shut down and there were to be another attack on US soil, everyone would be screaming for the presidents head...How long will this go on, week by week funding? how long will it take to get it funded for a year?
But to lose this many votes on his own side, so early into their regime has to be troubling to anyone on the right with a working brain which I guess is why he actually DID lose votes.


I'd rather see clean bills passed. I'm not a fan of "omnibus" bills or stuff like that. It's too easy to pass along lots of pork that way. A bill contains A, B, C, D, and E (pork). If you agree with 3 of the 4 non-pork portions, you're more likely to support the overall bill. I'd much rather see separate bills.

I haven't looked into it yet, but is DHS funding appropriate, or should it be increased/cut?

I'm all for a bill that opposes Obama's immigration orders.




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Boehners Bummed (2/28/2015 9:59:00 PM)

The interesting point is that Boehner is committed to a clean bill this next week, and if the Radicals reneg on that, the Dems will be entirely justified in calling bullshit on any future such promises. So the Radicals are now at the last turn of the screw: if they double-deal, any future Dem cooperation will be strictly cash-and-carry. That will wreck what little maneuvering room they have left, and leave the Dems in effective control of the legislative process. Weird, but fascinating.

What's more, if they keep on with these games, they'll set up a fully Dem controlled congress in '16. Gotta love it!

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MrRodgers -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/1/2015 12:04:05 AM)

I agree, the repubs are shooting themselves in the foot. Even some repubs are getting fed up.




joether -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/1/2015 12:31:10 AM)

That is what happens when you don't keep the people you support and vote into public office to the same level of accountability and responsibility with power as all those you dislike and don't support. Conservatives/libertarians didnt want to do this for six years and now they are paying a heavy penalty for this 'slacking off' of their duties as US Citizens. Those Demcorats have gotten the nation out of a recession and who would have been a bad depression. Taken down the mastermind of 9/11. Improved the unemployment situation and given better healthcare levels to tens of millions of Americans. Democrats are doing pretty well as they coast into 2016....

That's because liberals and moderates kept Democrats in line all this time. When the Democrats have gotten out of line, the moderates voted Republican. So Democrats have much to gain by keeping 'middle America' happy; not just the liberals!




MercTech -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/1/2015 7:23:55 AM)

Oh well, maybe next time we can get rid of that boondoggle that DHS has become.




Aylee -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/1/2015 1:05:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech

Oh well, maybe next time we can get rid of that boondoggle that DHS has become.


This.


I would be completely happy with defunding DHS all together.

The DHS was set up because 19 Muslims flew planes into skyscrapers and killed thousands of people. Thirteen years later, the head of the DHS thinks his department’s priority should be to ‘give voice to the plight of Muslims’ who have the misfortune to live in America.

Perhaps we can bring back the "barackades" with the sign, "Because of the DHS shutdown the Borders are now Closed." [:D]




KenDckey -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/1/2015 2:44:16 PM)

Closing the border would be good




cloudboy -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/3/2015 8:35:32 PM)


Sucking Right wing cock is a soul destroying affair, especially with Ted Cruz directing the action.




joether -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/4/2015 11:05:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
I know that this isn't a term limits thread but I believe in them And think that should include the Speaker of the House and the Majority Leader in the Senate.

Seems 75% of people like term limits in congress http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2015/02/should-president-obama-or-any-president-be-allowed-to-serve-a-third-term/


I hate to think I was hijacking the thread here. So my words are with KD only, an if sufficient people say so, I'll open a thread on the very topic...

I disagree with you, KD. I feel term limits makes for an artificial 'end' to one's term in office. That the reason someone leaves office is NOT because they are doing what people want, but because of something having nothing to do with their job performance. That this nation has seen many good individuals that have done good things for the nation, but are limited by a term limit, rather than because they fucked up. Ronald Reagan, it could have been argued would have had a successful chance at a third term. I'm not aware if his condition was well known at the time of his closing days of the 2nd term, or not. Likewise, I think President Obama could do quite a bit of good on a third term. Agree or disagree, is not the point here. The point is both men are limited to an artificial limit, NOT, a limit imposed due to bag/negative performance. Again, I'm taking both a Republican and Democrat to show that the 22nd Amendment is not really a good idea.

If we do term limits at the federal level, its applied across the board, and evenly to all three branches. Including the US Supreme Court. People were elected to life in that branch, but the health care in the 'old days' was pathetic to, today's standards. People back then would be on the court 8-15 years. Now, they go 20-30 years.

Likewise, should term limits apply to appointed positions? The FBI, CIA, FEMA, IRS, etc? What happens if we got someone that handled the economy REALLY well, and kept things in check? Wouldn't we want that individual to stay in their position for as long as they want the job and do a good job?

I think most people are in favor of term limits for Congress, because Congress is operating in so bad of a manner. The previous two Congresses were the least productive in 239 years! That given technology, abilities, people, etc; the performance of Congress should be the most productive in all those years! Maybe we should conduct a daily, weekly, and even monthly approval rating for Congress? When Gallup did such a think last year (I might be able to find the source), it showed Congress at 8%. Compared to that of the President's 54% at the time. Term limits are not a fix in Congress, getting people to elect better people to Congress will! How we do that? Good question....




joether -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/4/2015 11:08:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Closing the border would be good


Do you have any idea the amount of land we would have to cover to accomplish this? Including shutting down all the ports? The economy in this nation would start degrading at a sharply accelerating rate, until its in a economic recession (at best) or depression (at worst).

When dealing with a paper cut, one does not have to saw off the entire arm at the shoulder! Takes just a band-aid. The issue of immigration really is not a big one, once sane and intelligent people fix those laws.




mnottertail -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/4/2015 11:10:15 AM)

What would be better is draconian fines and incarceration for every officer down to the lowest manager in a corporation that hires them. If there aint no jobs, they wouldnt be here.


Why chase the mice? Shoot the elephants.




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/4/2015 12:15:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Term limits are not a fix in Congress, getting people to elect better people to Congress will! How we do that? Good question....

Sad to say a 'fresh slate' will accomplish nothing if the same lunatic fringe keeps putting up new nutcases to replace the old. The fundamental problem is the popular support the lunatic fringe exercises, and the only cure for that is a solid liberal education to cure them of their bigotry and willful ignorance. That would take a century IF it could ever happen.
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cloudboy -> RE: Boehners Bummed (3/4/2015 5:00:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Closing the border would be good


Great idea, the USA could copy the USSR's idea of the Berlin Wall.

Why not try living in the real world as a starting point to your thinking and decision making? How long can you conservatives keep going on a platform of hating reality and wishing for a magic wand to change it?




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