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The Unslut Project - 3/2/2015 10:46:51 AM   
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/unslut-project-documentary-emily-lindin_n_6745616.html

From a description of the documentary
"this film explores how we can work toward a world where the word "slut" doesn't even make sense as an insult"
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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/2/2015 11:10:33 AM   
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I remember being up in Canada when Retaeh Parsons killed herself. In thinking back on it, I remember having a feeling of "what a shame, but what can we do about it?". (Surely from my own perspective, but also what I felt was the general mood when the story was reported.)

I do believe that most people in this world do *not* want to cause others harm, whether intentional or not. Without trying to sound cliche, if this documentary causes someone, just *one* person, to change the way they interact with others-- it's a success.


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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/2/2015 10:05:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/unslut-project-documentary-emily-lindin_n_6745616.html

From a description of the documentary
"this film explores how we can work toward a world where the word "slut" doesn't even make sense as an insult"


Oh for fuck sake. Yet another piece of oversensitive PC nonsense. Instead of teaching people how to deal with things like this... let's eradicate a word. Makes total fucking sense.

People are not kind to each other... if this is a shock to anyone, welcome to humanity. People need to learn to cope with things rather than cry foul all the time.

Sure it is sad that someone took their life, that is not lost on me, however when I was bullied at school I never responded by walking into school and shooting my classmates, nor did I take my own life because of being bullied. Why? Because I learned how to cope with it. My parents helped me develop good, healthy strategies so I could stand up for myself and realize that it wasn't me, it was the bullies that were the problem.

I am all for if the film helps one person it is worth it, but this shit gets old. People need to learn to deal with life... and it is never going to be as puffed up and rosy as some folks would like it to be.

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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/3/2015 4:36:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gauge


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/25/unslut-project-documentary-emily-lindin_n_6745616.html

From a description of the documentary
"this film explores how we can work toward a world where the word "slut" doesn't even make sense as an insult"


Oh for fuck sake. Yet another piece of oversensitive PC nonsense. Instead of teaching people how to deal with things like this... let's eradicate a word. Makes total fucking sense.

People are not kind to each other... if this is a shock to anyone, welcome to humanity. People need to learn to cope with things rather than cry foul all the time.

Sure it is sad that someone took their life, that is not lost on me, however when I was bullied at school I never responded by walking into school and shooting my classmates, nor did I take my own life because of being bullied. Why? Because I learned how to cope with it. My parents helped me develop good, healthy strategies so I could stand up for myself and realize that it wasn't me, it was the bullies that were the problem.

I am all for if the film helps one person it is worth it, but this shit gets old. People need to learn to deal with life... and it is never going to be as puffed up and rosy as some folks would like it to be.


I am of the opinion that slut shaming is not going to go away, just as other forms of bullying are not going to go away, and people need to learn the skills necessary to deal with it. But unless we actively fight against bullying, it will do more than just exist, it will take over.

Different people fight in different ways.

I posted this because I thought it would be interesting, considering the slut shaming thread that is going on.

Some of the comments on that thread disturbed me, but people are set in their opinions and weren't going to change their minds, so I haven't bothered to get invested in it.

I am the type of person that has tried very hard not to let this affect me. I have been slut shamed, but I dealt with it. I am the type of person who, once someone starts to go down that road with me, will stand up and own whatever I did that prompted their behavior, then dare them to finish what they started. I have had to do that, on more than one occasion. And as a result, I have been called far worse than just slut. But there are reasons that I am that way, just as there are reasons that you are the way you are. Not everyone had the same experiences growing up as either one of us.

Something in this documentary could be just the thing that inspires someone to do exactly what you are saying.

It is apparent in the other thread that some people on here take this very personally, and have reason to do so. It seems to me that some of them might find this interesting as well. And I had no desire to derail that thread by posting this there.

There are points in the video that I agree with, and disagree with. There are things that I cannot relate to. But my experiences are not everyone's experiences.


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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/3/2015 4:50:55 PM   
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I heard about this a while ago. Thanks for posting this.

I think it is a worthwhile project. I also agree with your take on "it won't go away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it"

Also I think the little suggested article "sexual assault by numbers" or whatever its called- was a really good project as well. My other thoughts are well explained and go really in depth in that other thread, and I don't think I need to go into them again here. Most people know where I stand on this.

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(also, I've said it before, but I like you, your posts are really great.)

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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/3/2015 5:06:40 PM   
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quote:

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I am of the opinion that slut shaming is not going to go away, just as other forms of bullying are not going to go away, and people need to learn the skills necessary to deal with it. But unless we actively fight against bullying, it will do more than just exist, it will take over.



No more than it took over before all this "awareness" stuff.

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Different people fight in different ways.


Agreed.

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I posted this because I thought it would be interesting, considering the slut shaming thread that is going on.

Some of the comments on that thread disturbed me, but people are set in their opinions and weren't going to change their minds, so I haven't bothered to get invested in it.


Not sure which thread that is, but I am not questioning your motives, or your post for that matter. My response was an editorial on the video.

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I am the type of person that has tried very hard not to let this affect me. I have been slut shamed, but I dealt with it. I am the type of person who, once someone starts to go down that road with me, will stand up and own whatever I did that prompted their behavior, then dare them to finish what they started. I have had to do that, on more than one occasion. And as a result, I have been called far worse than just slut.


A year or so into my sobriety someone questioned whether or not I had actually stopped drinking. Now, I was going to 3 meetings a day and working fucking hard as hell to maintain my sobriety. That I was questioned really pissed me off until I came to the realization of two things. The first was that people are going to think what they want about me and there isn't a thing I can do about it. The second was that I knew the truth and whether or not they believed me didn't matter. My point is that we can't control other people, the best we can do is learn to handle ourselves.

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But there are reasons that I am that way, just as there are reasons that you are the way you are. Not everyone had the same experiences growing up as either one of us.


This is true, however humans historically have been shitty to other humans ever since someone wanted something that someone else had. While my parents tried their best with what they were able to teach me, I still had to figure out a way to deal with things. Crowing about being bullied was never one of the ways I learned to cope, that is my point. Finding my way through all of that taught me important lessons which lasted a lifetime thus far. I cannot help but feel that the more we coddle people that are bullied, the less they will be able to deal with it. I will give the caveat that I grew up without the Internet so the world, for bullies, got way bigger than ever before possible.

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Something in this documentary could be just the thing that inspires someone to do exactly what you are saying.

It is apparent in the other thread that some people on here take this very personally, and have reason to do so. It seems to me that some of them might find this interesting as well. And I had no desire to derail that thread by posting this there.


I totally respect your motives and reasoning.

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There are points in the video that I agree with, and disagree with. There are things that I cannot relate to. But my experiences are not everyone's experiences.


If everyone shared the same experiences, life would be dull.

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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/3/2015 5:08:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I heard about this a while ago. Thanks for posting this.

I think it is a worthwhile project. I also agree with your take on "it won't go away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it"

Also I think the little suggested article "sexual assault by numbers" or whatever its called- was a really good project as well. My other thoughts are well explained and go really in depth in that other thread, and I don't think I need to go into them again here. Most people know where I stand on this.

<3

(also, I've said it before, but I like you, your posts are really great.)


Thank you! I appreciate you saying that.

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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/3/2015 5:41:04 PM   
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A year or so into my sobriety someone questioned whether or not I had actually stopped drinking. Now, I was going to 3 meetings a day and working fucking hard as hell to maintain my sobriety. That I was questioned really pissed me off until I came to the realization of two things. The first was that people are going to think what they want about me and there isn't a thing I can do about it. The second was that I knew the truth and whether or not they believed me didn't matter. My point is that we can't control other people, the best we can do is learn to handle ourselves.



Yep, life was much easier once I came to those realizations myself. I spent a lot of time arguing with people before that. My attitude now is that ain't nobody got time for that.

I was going to a rock concert one time with some college friends of mine. There was a huge group of protesters there, which had attracted the media as well. The protesters were telling us we were going to hell, that the band was a bad influence, that their music encouraged devil worship, drugs, sexual promiscuity, blah blah blah. During one particular fire-and-brimstone moment, one of them pointed at me and talked about the whore that was promoting such things by wearing a t-shirt that displayed the bad on it. At which point the cameras turned to me as well. For just a second I was mortified, and embarrassed, and ashamed. Followed by my own brand of righteous indignation, which prompted me to get up in his face and tell him that I was living with my boyfriend, engaging in premarital sex, and going to school to be a teacher so i could one day influence thousands of young minds.

He was so shocked that he actually started sputtering. I just laughed and walked away.

Even to this day, I remember how empowering that felt. I knew that nothing that I could say would make them think any differently about me. And while my older self might just roll my eyes and walk away while muttering 'ain't nobody got time for that', my younger self wanted to show them that people were not going to just cower before them, that if they were going to invoke the devil's name then they needed to be prepared to deal with the devil.

Yeah, that's a little dramatic, but I tended to let myself get really worked up over even the littlest things. And I liked the feeling of taking on things that other women were scared to, because I had seen what that did to the older women in my family. I didn't learn to say 'fuck them' because women in my family were such noble examples of powerful women; I learned to say 'fuck them' by trying really hard not to end up like them.

But as you stated, that was before the internet...I can't imagine what kind of chaos that would cause in my life if I did that today.


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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/3/2015 6:21:26 PM   
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Gauge-

The other thread is the Slut Shaming thread. Its sorta a hot mess now.
Knowing that you call your girl your slut- I can see what you didn't like the premise of the video.

You'll like the other thread better.
*nods*

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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/3/2015 7:07:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

Gauge-

The other thread is the Slut Shaming thread. Its sorta a hot mess now.
Knowing that you call your girl your slut- I can see what you didn't like the premise of the video.

You'll like the other thread better.
*nods*


I can differentiate between the pejorative use of slut (the subject of the video) and the "pet name" use of slut. One is a term of endearment, the other is just rude. I'll leave it to you to figure out which is which.



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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/4/2015 2:10:48 AM   
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But unless we actively fight against bullying, it will do more than just exist, it will take over.


Not entirely on-topic, but good advice for all kinds of bullying/name calling. (in two images)

http://houseofgreed.com/images/spock1.jpg
http://houseofgreed.com/images/spock2.jpg

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RE: The Unslut Project - 3/4/2015 6:54:46 AM   
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This thread reminds me of the "Voices from the Hellmouth" piece that was done after the LIttleton Colorado massacre. What came to light was that the systematic abuse of the perpetrators had been ignored if not condoned by the school administration. And such abuse was not an anomaly.
A good read:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/99/04/25/1438249/voices-from-the-hellmouth

http://michaelduff.net/2007/04/20/voices-from-the-hellmouth-8-years-later/

Slut shaming in high school is just the tip of an iceberg.

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