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Rebellious Submissives? - 11/26/2004 7:45:19 PM

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/26/2004 8:49:16 PM

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I would think that a "rebellious" submissive would be one looking to get corrected.. ;-)

In my case, if I got rebellious it might be for that reason, but more likely because my needs were not being met.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/26/2004 8:56:27 PM

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In my world a rebellious submissive would be a very sore submissive as well!

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 12:27:41 AM

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unlike a slave, whoms purpose it is to serve another
a sub serves their own self and needs. That is the
differance in a slave and a sub and this differance
does not make those whom choose to be a submissive
rebellious, but simply asking for what a submissive wants
and when they do not get it act in a negitive manner
to gain the attention they crave. slaves gain their pleasure
from serving and care not their own needs but gain pleasure
in the needs of others instead of their selfs. JMO.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 12:53:50 AM

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A submissive who is rebellious is looking for attention or trying to find out how far they can push the Dominant. They either figure out they don't get to push me in such a way, find a more constructive way to ask for the attention they need or are no longer a part of my life. I do not have patience for a sub that tries to top from below more than once.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 1:48:58 AM

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A bratty rebellious sub is actually a delight because u know its not a 2 x 4, not a slab of meat, but one who thinks, and feels, and has a heart. Most of the time such a sub is just being herself, trying to find or test limits, or has a genuine dislike or like of a certain thing. Wouldnt have it any other way.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 5:51:37 AM

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But what if there are genuine rebellious submissives? Whats the story on them and how does one deal with them?

Midear Riot-

oh trust me- They're out there<g>.

But like everything else about this stuff, a label falls short. It's a varieity of personalities and behaviors all lumpped together.

There are those that wish to comply, but Balk out of fear of something- physical or emotional ( fear of vunerablity, whatever...), those that either actually want to grab control by subtle means (usually passive agressive personalitities), those that want or need to be reassured of the stretgh of the dominant and the dynamic so as to feel secure, and of course, thise that simply agree to circumstances that they have no intention of honoring for whatever reason...

the list is endless, and so are people, for that matter...

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 9:30:27 AM

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Yes I would be prone to wonder if these people were bratting wanting more punishment. I do realise that there are so many different brain types that no one can know them all though and that nothing is written in stone here...Mike

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 9:54:37 AM

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 11:40:21 AM

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"If it ain't broke don't fix it"

Why change it? You're trying to fit submissives into a pretty little box. People are not all the same. I like being a bratty/ rebellious/ etc sub/ Switch/ Domme. In part it's the idea of not being too co-operative and part making sure he puts some effort into keeping/ having me. Catch me if you can, if I let you...

I think the same thing comes into domming too.

Anyway, people seem to think a submissive should just lie there like a wet doormat. Let the Dom do all the work while they 'take' it. That's just not how it works, for me at least. I'd get bored.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 6:44:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD

unlike a slave, whoms purpose it is to serve another
a sub serves their own self and needs. That is the
differance in a slave and a sub and this differance
does not make those whom choose to be a submissive
rebellious, but simply asking for what a submissive wants
and when they do not get it act in a negitive manner
to gain the attention they crave. slaves gain their pleasure
from serving and care not their own needs but gain pleasure
in the needs of others instead of their selfs. JMO.

These kinds of generalizations disturb me.
i am a submissive that loves to serve my Master. There are things that we do or Master has me to that does nothing for me. i do them to please Master. By Your definition of submissive i would not do these things because they are not things that i get pleasure from. To be honest i have to say that i do gain something. i love the look of pride and pleasure on His face.
Do i ask for things i need or want? Yes i do often i get them. When i do not there is always a good reason why i don't. Why would i act in a negative manner when Master has a good reason?
As for slaves gaining all their pleasure for meeting anothers needs. To me that would imply that the slave never gets a need or desire met. Well that might work for a while but i would think over time if one never got what they wanted or needed one would quickly become depressed or bitter. i can't imagine that Your slaves get nothing more than Your desires. i know i could be wrong but i heard once that a happy slave is a more pleasing slave and i figure that is true

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 10:58:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: wetrope

A bratty rebellious sub is actually a delight because u know its not a 2 x 4, not a slab of meat, but one who thinks, and feels, and has a heart. Most of the time such a sub is just being herself, trying to find or test limits, or has a genuine dislike or like of a certain thing. Wouldnt have it any other way.

i have no idea how to quote more than one person in a post so i'll do each seperate.

wetrope, i like the way you think.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 11:00:43 PM

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those that either actually want to grab control by subtle means (usually passive agressive personalitities), those that want or need to be reassured of the stretgh of the dominant and the dynamic so as to feel secure,

Lawrence

i agree with this part very much

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 11:07:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Laura

"If it ain't broke don't fix it"

Why change it? You're trying to fit submissives into a pretty little box. People are not all the same. I like being a bratty/ rebellious/ etc sub/ Switch/ Domme. In part it's the idea of not being too co-operative and part making sure he puts some effort into keeping/ having me. Catch me if you can, if I let you...

I think the same thing comes into domming too.

Anyway, people seem to think a submissive should just lie there like a wet doormat. Let the Dom do all the work while they 'take' it. That's just not how it works, for me at least. I'd get bored.

i am she, i mean she are me (lol), i mean we are we, or do i mean we are damn similar? lol

yeah that's it - this is the same way i feel. i choose to be there and i want pleasure too. i am no doormat and i'll ba damned if i would just lay there like one. even when i am to lie still He knows how much every muscle in my body is pulsing and how badly i want to lift my hips off the ground to grind against His thrusts. but remember i mentioned 'switch' in my profile so i am lucky because my Master enjoys my 'bratty' side. in fact i think He is more attracted to me because of it.

when push comes to shove though i know my place and i know what He expects of me.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/27/2004 11:17:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: liljoy

i love the look of pride and pleasure on His face.

this is truly something i find myself craving. we tend to be an 'eyes open' couple. there is a transfer of energy and you can feel as well as see it on your lovers face. the intensity is incredible but when i see His face i focus on my desire to please that Man. i feed of the fact that i have the ability to please Him even. it is a rush knowing you have the ability to satiate another person's desires.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/28/2004 4:04:36 AM

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I'd be interested in peoples thoughts in the difference between a 'rebellious submissive' (which people here seem to be reading as 'bratty') and a 'submissive that rebels'

Maybe it's just a case of the word 'rebel/rebellion' used here in the first place, but I don't necessarily see it as a brat thing. Because rebellion happens AGAINST something. So for me, while a 'rebellious submissive' implies someone who rebels as it's part of his/her character (which would make submission from them incredibly hard from them to give), a 'submissive that rebels' does so for a rather specific reason, which can and should be at least attempted to be discovered via communication, by looking at recent changes (however subtle), and attempted to be resolved

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/28/2004 1:11:14 PM

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ORIGINAL: topcat

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But what if there are genuine rebellious submissives? Whats the story on them and how does one deal with them?

Midear Riot-

oh trust me- They're out there<g>.

But like everything else about this stuff, a label falls short. It's a varieity of personalities and behaviors all lumpped together.

Some of us just like resistance play. There are days I don't want to give, I want to be taken.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/28/2004 4:05:04 PM

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I rebel.

In part it's cuz I'm primarily dominant. Hmmm maybe it's is ALL that actually lol.

I tend to be argumentative when I disagree or when im testing and yes, for me I will probably always test to some degree. A dominant of *me* must be able to rein me in effectively, using techinques my inner dominant respects and approves of. Sometimes I think it's my inner dominant making sure this dominant has what it takes - will they let me run over them, or will they step up - do they have their own convictions they will stand for and be firm about - or are they shaky, just for show?

Granted I did more of this when I was looking to train. Less so now, but yeah I still rebel. Im lucky in that I chose one that hasnt got a prob with needing to handle a spitfire, and in fact finds that makes life more interesting and my submission when I can give it, that much more powerful.

Most dominants wouldn't handle me or want to - so I had to chose well, if I wanted it to last, and vice versa.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/28/2004 6:43:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

I rebel.

In part it's cuz I'm primarily dominant. Hmmm maybe it's is ALL that actually lol.

I tend to be argumentative when I disagree or when im testing and yes, for me I will probably always test to some degree. A dominant of *me* must be able to rein me in effectively, using techinques my inner dominant respects and approves of. Sometimes I think it's my inner dominant making sure this dominant has what it takes - will they let me run over them, or will they step up - do they have their own convictions they will stand for and be firm about - or are they shaky, just for show?

Granted I did more of this when I was looking to train. Less so now, but yeah I still rebel. Im lucky in that I chose one that hasnt got a prob with needing to handle a spitfire, and in fact finds that makes life more interesting and my submission when I can give it, that much more powerful.

Most dominants wouldn't handle me or want to - so I had to chose well, if I wanted it to last, and vice versa.

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RE: Rebellious Submissives? - 11/28/2004 8:47:08 PM

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Nope. I just killed that theory for ya, didn't I?

hehehehe

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