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Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 2:19:37 PM   
KenDckey


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Status: offline 		Here is one example of HOA power

http://www.kpho.com/story/28254709/girl-battling-cancer-wants-playhouse-but-homeowners-association-objects

There have been others such as limiting the display of patriotic symbols, the type of curtain you can have, etc.

Yes, HOAs are supposed to protect property values. A noble concept.

But at what point do they become overbearing?

A person did have to give up rights in order to purchase into the community. But is that necessarily a good thing?
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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 3:24:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
Here is one example of HOA power

http://www.kpho.com/story/28254709/girl-battling-cancer-wants-playhouse-but-homeowners-association-objects

There have been others such as limiting the display of patriotic symbols, the type of curtain you can have, etc.

Yes, HOAs are supposed to protect property values. A noble concept.

But at what point do they become overbearing?

A person did have to give up rights in order to purchase into the community. But is that necessarily a good thing?


There really are some 'Lawful Evil' HOA's in America. I've seen quite a few of them, and even protested against them. There was one man, didn't know him, but was a USMC. He wanted to fly the American flag from a post close to his door. I dont see any problem with that. If someone wanted to fly a flag, that's their business. Some flags might bring about more attention the homeowner than others, granted. Flying a confederate flag in a neighborhood of people that dislike the flag, might land the homeowner in some trouble.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 3:31:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Regardless of feelings about the connottation of the confederate flag, to me it is a freedom of speech issue. Or a blue Star Flag or a Gold Star Flag.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 3:36:42 PM   
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Regardless of feelings about the connottation of the confederate flag, to me it is a freedom of speech issue. Or a blue Star Flag or a Gold Star Flag.



For comparison purposes: some people/entities/etc. would have us believe that the U.S. flag is offensive and a symbol of racism.



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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 3:44:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		And they are entitled to their opinion. Doesn't mean that I must agree with a change because if that were the case then I could disagree with every color house that wasn't painted to my specification and the owners would have to change theirs and visa versa. It is a never ending cycle.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 3:50:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		For me, the issue with HOAs is that they are able to make decisions with other people's money. If the HOA is sued, they simply raise assessments of all members. They can undertake actions that are inimical to the homeowners, and the homeowners need to finance both the challenge to it, and the HOA's response, which the homeowners have no control over once the HOA is elected.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 3:58:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		unfortunately I cant get to the link of the story...but if I can hazard a guess as to some of the underlying tension---is it the one that exists between individual liberty vs collective will?

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 4:01:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bounty the link outlines the plight of a 6 yr old cancer patient that wanted a playhouse. A general contractor was willing to do it in conjunction with the Make a Wish Foundation. The HOA denied the playhouse.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 4:11:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		thank you ken---I think I got the jist of that from the title too...so at its heart then, can it be seen as an individual vs the collective type of thing?

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 4:18:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		yes where tthe courts have already ruled that the HOA is supreme and that the HOA has ultimate power to say what goes on, regardless of individual rights to free speech or whatever.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 4:22:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you continue reading past the headline, it says that the HOA is not in good standing, and has not filed the needed paperwork to remain a governing body. According to a few of the comments, it is possibly being dissolved, and may be up shit creek without a boat, because it has been collecting dues for 5 years without filing the proper paperwork with the Secretary of States office. Hopefully, this will cost them their little jobs as dictators, and get folks some refunds of money!

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 4:25:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, HOA's are all [too] often...local fascists all based on protecting the values but also born of incompetence and a failure in the legal process to pursue true malfeasance.

Example was in a neighborhood nearby where I lived in no. Va. the builder put on faulty FRP. (fire resistant plywood) It decayed and years after completion, one could actually fall/punch through it.

The HOA assessed every homeowner $2200 (ea.) for replacement because they were told it was too late to go after the builder.

The HOA took action too late and I think it should have gone to state appeals court. (lower court sided with the HOA)

Seems to me, accommodations could have been made for this patient.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 5:18:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone stupid enough to move into a community that is governed by a HOA deserves exactly what they get.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 5:25:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unless it is loaded with community amenities it's just not worth it. None of what those communities do makes any sense. Especially the restrictions, pointless fees and lack of privacy.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 5:38:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Manko I think they do one thing. They lessen the burden on the judicial system.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 5:46:45 PM   
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Unless it is loaded with community amenities it's just not worth it.

I can't think of any amenities that would sway me to give up so many rights to my own home/property.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 6:24:03 PM   
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Manko I think they do one thing. They lessen the burden on the judicial system.


How so? By making people mow their lawns?

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 6:30:59 PM   
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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 6:33:48 PM   
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Unless it is loaded with community amenities it's just not worth it. None of what those communities do makes any sense. Especially the restrictions, pointless fees and lack of privacy.


also keeps the retards of south florida from running auto repair businesses out of their driveways, 50 people from living in one home and paving over their front lawns to accomodate all the cars... all issues proposed to our board. dont even get me started on the farm animals and alters people want to have. for us, the HOA is necessary or the neighborhood would turn into hialeah. we gladly pay.

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RE: Are HOAs to powerful - 3/5/2015 6:44:40 PM   
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I can't think of any amenities that would sway me to give up so many rights to my own home/property.

People in Miami would be incredibly confused. When I lived there I was trying to get a condo to make my permanent home. I was looking at SoBe because it was close to great nightlife and restaurants. Great shopping and of course, THE BEACH.

WELL, I tried several real estate agents and all of them kept recommending I move to Brickell, the trendy part of the financial district where all the young professionals were moving because of "amenities".
You have to walk over homeless people, the view sucked and brickell is not even half a mile in diameter and then there's the "crappy" part of town 3 blocks away before you hit the design district where all the artsy people taste wine and eat cheese.
I just didn't like it, it was too concrete. But no, the agents knew better than me. I wanted a condo $1500 a month outside my budget and to live in Brickell because of the "amenities."
When I lamented to a friend about it he recommended his friend who is another young professional and owns the ****** Group. I explained to him what I wanted and no, I actually wanted to live in three buildings in Brickell or I might as well kill myself, one of which includes "The Icon". I asked "where do you live?" He said "insert other building here". I asked, "why can't I live there?" (even that place was cheaper) Him; "Oh no, you want to live at these buildings and if you don't want to I can't really help you." He too said amenities. *I look around and see 20 other buildings*. I just wanted somewhere with a pool and decent gym, nice view and close to everything for x dollars but I gave up after getting frustrated between those guys, not knowing geography and looking for myself turned out to be an utter failure.

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