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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

You missed the point, it was a joke. Remember there are many who find the use of Indian names anything but insulting. For example, the Seminole tribe defended Fl States name. But if anyone anywhere considers it offensive it must be banned eventually we will find that everyone is offended by something.

This is where I like to post the Stephen Fry quote/meme. For those that don't know: Mr. Fry is an extremely talented, funny, gay man.



Michael

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Much as your illness evokes my sympathy, you accrue no advantage by parading it in public. Next time you discover that mommy isn't looking, be a good fellow and stay in the basement anyway.

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You missed the point, it was a joke. Remember there are many who find the use of Indian names anything but insulting. For example, the Seminole tribe defended Fl States name.

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But if anyone anywhere considers it offensive it must be banned eventually we will find that everyone is offended by something.

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ALL terms for Amerindians/aboriginals were derogatory for much of the N. American history. I seriously doubt any of them felt White Man was an accolade? Even terms that seem neutral now in text (Like tribe names) were mostly pronounced as insults or disrespect.
I'm regularly called Haole now. (Or fuckin' Haole.) Hawaiian for stranger or white people. It means 'one without breath' literally. As pronounced and used most often, white equivalent of the N word. Context is everything!

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As the DC team wasn't named the Losers, or the Giveups, I'll guess the name was intended to relate to the warrior prowess and fierce sporting attitudes of the original inhabitants of the continent. (Lacrosse was pretty much combat with dull tools) Much like Eagles and Bears are names to evoke the strength and awe inspiring capabilities of those animals. Such An Insult! Unforgivable disrespect! Bullshit.
In as much as the various tribes and members seem split on Redskins, I'll pass on the general outrage. About as relevant to reality as 'cis', just people finding ways to make their circle (jerk) superior to others. If the offended were actually Doing something for the remnants of the original tribes, I'd maybe listen. Like education or helping with sobriety programs. Or buying reservation cigarettes? Losing money at casinos . . .

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The outrage about 'Buffalo' is a Daily Show put on, right? Satire about the Redskin debacle? It isn't even an Indian language name for the animal, which is a Portuguese derivation used by Whites. And never meant individuals or tribes of aboriginals. How can people suffer disrespect that is actually admiration and aimed at an animal, not a ethnic or social group?
I'm sure Jon Stewart will explain it clearly to me soon, when his joke is over.

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Thinking of the preamble to the U.S. Constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

.... can't find a clause in the body mandating freedom from feeling offended.

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The worst thing about trying to be politically correct is you can't call them idiot when they blither.

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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You missed the point, it was a joke. Remember there are many who find the use of Indian names anything but insulting. For example, the Seminole tribe defended Fl States name.

"Seminole" is not a derogatory term - just like "Celtic" is not a derogatory term (even if the basketball team mispronounces it). Unless you can find a team with a name that is blatantly derogatory, the attempt at equivalency fails. Even if you did find a another obviously derogatory team name (and given the general assholishness of the human race, I'm sure there is one out there, somewhere) it still wouldn't justify the former. It would simply mean that there is yet another group of people who are mean spirited and/or stupid.

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But if anyone anywhere considers it offensive it must be banned eventually we will find that everyone is offended by something.

No it doesn't. This is another deflection. The fact that everyone is offended by something (well . . .duh) is irrelevant to the controversy surrounding the Washington team. The name of the Washington team is roundly criticized not because anyone, or even a few, find it offensive - it is under attack because a great many people find it offensive.

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Just an FYI....

Its not really 'Freedom of Speech' for someone to demand an issue in court that something is offensive to them on a racial level. Its the 5th part of the 1st amendment they are using:

...and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

It would be a freedom of speech issue if someone was trying to silence or censor them.

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But that didn't keep FL State from being taken to court to force them to change their name.
You don't have a very good memory, the Atalanta Braves and the KC Chiefs were attacked because any use of any reference to Indians was "derogatory".

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You also forget that this started out because some moron decided that the word Buffalo was "derogatory".

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I find the name Redskins offensive, but I find most things about that organization offensive. Actually you have it backwards, even if the Redskins name is offensive it doesn't mean that people don't go out of their way to be offended and expect everyone to comply.

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Eventually every place will be named blandsville.

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Just an FYI....

Its not really 'Freedom of Speech' for someone to demand an issue in court that something is offensive to them on a racial level. Its the 5th part of the 1st amendment they are using:

...and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

It would be a freedom of speech issue if someone was trying to silence or censor them.

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I rather think we have already slid down the slippery slope where over-thought skewed perceptions of a minority make for hardships for the majority.
The interpretation of symbols and names is a cultural thing.

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An example of cultural symbolism variance... what do you see?

http://traditionscustoms.com/religion/semana-santa

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But that didn't keep FL State from being taken to court to force them to change their name.
You don't have a very good memory, the Atalanta Braves and the KC Chiefs were attacked because any use of any reference to Indians was "derogatory".

So what? What does that have to do with the team in Washington?

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You also forget that this started out because some moron decided that the word Buffalo was "derogatory".

This what? This thread? No. This thread got started because the OP accepts the false equivalency between the real issue and the manufactured one. Since I am a firm believer in freedom of speech I don't have a problem with the OP blathering about it. But that doesn't change the fact that he - and others - are not really making an argument but a merely engaging in rhetorical sleight of hand.

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I find the name Redskins offensive, but I find most things about that organization offensive. Actually you have it backwards, even if the Redskins name is offensive it doesn't mean that people don't go out of their way to be offended and expect everyone to comply.

People have been going out of their way to be offended by something since the human race began flapping its lips - and will continue to do so as long as the race endures. That's why pointing it out is an irrelevant diversion. The question remains whether this particular term should be abided.

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Eventually every place will be named blandsville.

No. Not really. There is no slippery slope in this situation.

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I rather think we have already slid down the slippery slope where over-thought skewed perceptions of a minority make for hardships for the majority.
The interpretation of symbols and names is a cultural thing.

Yes. And the name of the Washington team is considered offensive by many in our culture.