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atHisfeet -> RE: Rudeness (11/27/2004 3:05:52 PM)

my experience here so far has been mixed with rudeness, hospitality and a bit of forwardness i was not expecting. i believe i have put it clearly enough that i am not seeking a master or a sub for my services. yet oddly enough i get quite a few emails expressing interest in exchanging information seeking my services for sexual and or mental pleasure. i have tried to reply to each email but there are a few i did not and would not dignify with a response.

this being said i have to thank the decent and respectable people i have met here so far. i like this site.




MistressFire70 -> RE: Rudeness (11/27/2004 3:09:12 PM)

I have three main reasons why I might not respond to a letter:

1) If it's obvious they've spent some time composing a letter to me, I always try to respond, even if just to say I don't think we're a match. However, if they've written one line, I just don't find that I'm willing to spare my time. I'm busy.

2) If they've written in a disrespectful manner, they have a lot to learn. Thinking that they'll get a reponse from "Waz up? We live in the same area. IM me and let's get together." they're wrong. Again, I'm just not willing to spare my time. If I do, it's probably to direct them to a local group.

3) I'm human and sometimes I just plain old forget to respond. Usually, these are the ones who wrote a nice letter, but I find that we're not a good match. I certainly don't INTEND to not respond. These deserve one. It's totally a failing on my part to not send a return email.

I don't pretend to be perfect. I'm not. I don't pretend I'm not in the hunt and that I'm not looking for those that impress me. I am. If you think perhaps the Ladies that you have written might not be writing back because of reasons 1 or 2, have a kinky friend read a sample letter and give some critique. If you think it's for the 3rd reason, politely write another email thanking her for her time and say good bye. This might jog her memory. ALWAYS be polite...don't do some passive aggressing thing like "I guess I'm not good enough for you". Although this approach might illicit a response, it'll most likely be a negative one!

Fire


Part 2: Case in point: I just received a message from someone who obviously is looking for a sexual relationship, something it CLEARLY states in my profile I do not want. his email was, in its entirety, “hello Mistress do you have yahoo id” No, I will not be sending a response.




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Rudeness (11/27/2004 5:38:12 PM)

Jules,
You're funny as hell...
but a little harsh and insentivie to the poor guys' problems...
Good thing you didn't comment on his age, blank profile, and money matters, or he'd really be depressed...
Anyway, I hope to be a lot more like you when I'm all grown up into this lifestyle.
Ms M




daddiesbitch -> RE: Rudeness (11/27/2004 7:15:30 PM)


Hello,
When I read the original post i felt compelled to respond. It is not just Dom/mes and submissives that lack respect and common courtesy. It seems to me that most of the population has forgotten manners and respect these days. People expect respect today but have forgotten how to give respect. So don't think it is just people online or in the lifestyle, i have found though that people online seem to lack respect and manners more than someone that is directly in front of you to your face. Unless it is just a really rude person. LOL. But seriously, don't let it discourage you. Not everyone is that way and the people who are that way, aren't worth your time and certainly aren't worth you getting discouraged by. I wish you luck and hope you find a Domme that is right for you.

Daddiesbitch




GoddessJules -> RE: Rudeness (11/27/2004 8:08:32 PM)

BTF,

Hallo! I don't think that I was harsh and insensitive. . .people like that need to know that shit happens. He might get a response from a Domina one day. . .and they might even meet and go out. After the initial meeting she might decide not to see him again. He's the type that will come here and complain that he spent a whopping $30 on dinner (*AND* two she had the AUDACITY to order two glasses of house wine) and she doesn't want to see him again. Life doesn't bend and yield to any of our wishes. It happens and we just roll with it. At 50 or 60 (I forget his age) I'd think that he'd figure that out by now. I just didn't think it would be beneficial to say "Awwww. . .how dare those cunts not respond to you!!! They are just sooooooooo fucked up! They should taste the other side of a flogger!!!" He'd go around more delluded than he already is, thinking he's OWED a response to anything he may send out to these women.

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Anyway, I hope to be a lot more like you when I'm all grown up into this lifestyle.
Ms M


Maybe I should try to be more compassionate like you so we can meet half way. [;)]

Jules




ShadeDiva -> RE: Rudeness (11/28/2004 4:23:00 PM)

Well I'm one that doesn't see a huge email as a positive across the board.

Too often guys will create this long winded email of introduction that they just go down a list and cut and paste to every possible dominant they can find.

Form emails arent my thing and if they have even a smack of that - I delete 'em. Unanswered.

I don't want a family history and your entire past experience and dreams and fantasies in the initial email. Makes them seem too needy and somewhat "cuckoo" to me.

What I respond to is a POLITE well written short intro, hey this is who I am I like your posts and would like to get to know you better, to which I will write a very short reply to see what they respond with.

I expect the next reply to show me they are capable of pleasant and idle conversation outside of what I do to those who serve me, outside of bdsm really for the most part. Are they smart? Do they make me laugh? Do I look forward to the next exchange or am I constantly on the verge of ignoring/blocking them?

I don't respond to all. Sometimes I don't respond until they contact me a second or third time, if they really feel a connection theyll keep starting a conversation and if I have decided "I am not interested" I will say so, explicitly. Until I have said "not interested, good luck in your search", then I haven't fully decided.

Assumptions and me never work out very well. It's best not to make them lol.

~ShadeDiva




collarmepls -> RE: Rudeness (11/29/2004 8:36:34 PM)

i surely would not have posted this thread if i were guilty of the obvious.

So for the sake of those who need more details here they are.

1)i send with every email a general description of my outlook, purpose and also major point(s) of common interest, the reason i am writing and what i hope to obtain etc etc etc etc as well as a vanilla photo

2)i only write those who appear to potentially share substantial common ground with me. With exception to occasionally making a comment about something interesting or intriguing in profiles while surfing where i surely dont expect a comment in return. (and its amazing how many people "do" reply in return!!)

3)i do everything that is requested by the Domme in Her profile, (if She has one) and i follow any special instructions She may have to the letter.

4) i do not use form letters and i never mention anything that could be wrongly interpreted as a "do me" situation or wanker, since i am neither. As a matter of fact, if Her profile is all vanilla i respond in all vanilla.

5) i never write less than a 50 liner in my introduction and often times it goes to several hundred depending on the profile i am responding too, and every email i send is unique from the top and the subject matter is directed toward the specifics in the profile i am writing too.

6) i am "always" respectful and courteous unless someone goes seriously out of their way to provoke me. (and some have gone out of their way in thier response back to me to provoke me), (including some responses on this forum that i noticed, to my surprise).

My personal feelings are:

If "Anyone" posts a profile, which is an advertizement, indicating that they are seeking someone with commensurate interests, they have dictated intent, with that established it goes without saying that it is thier responsibility to also bear and adhere to all associated and customary obligations regarding their advertizement.

Then should someone be courteous and generous and spend their "valuable" time and effort to write to Your profile:

1) and their email is not totally offbase
2) and their email does not violate or negate anything You have "identified" in Your profile
3) and their email is not negatively provocating or rude to You
4) and of course it contains more than asl or waz up

Then i contend:
Contrary to those who advocate they are above being respectful and courteous to others, i definitely feel that everyone who posts a profile has an obligation to maintain and follow through with a courteous response in kind, to a courteous email sent to them, (which translated means, answering those who write to You even if only to say thanks but no thanks).

On the other hand for those who wish to practice or defend being rude in their responses to courteous emails,

or by nonresponse to those who have emailed You courteously,

or by being rude for any other circumstances outside of a specific scene or direct provocation,

and also for those who champion being rude as way of life,

i am sure a simple request for them to please state in their profile that they are a rude, disrespectful and an uncaring person will go totally unheeded as the fact of the matter is that they can force that onto those of us who are courteous anytime they wish with impunity, (at least once), and of course feel totally justified in doing so.

With this in mind i think it is most likely also unreasonable to make a request of the people posting profiles to identify that they are rude and disrespectful so i can avoid wasting my time writing to them, as well as several other posters who feel its not important to identify little things like they: They have a significant other, or 5 other unprotected slaves, are dying of some disease, are suffering from a debilitating mental disorder, or that as their sub it will be the last time i would ever have sex, or that they are really a sadist, and even worse just wanted a free plane ticket to get laid! and the list goes on and on and on!

Of course when things can no longer be hidden and one of U/us is standing at the airport and the car drives up to the terminal then all the truth slowly starts seeping out! Oh i didnt think You would mind, notice, care. ~sigh~

Maybe i will get lucky next time and it will only cost me a measly 30 bucks for dinner and a 3rd round of cheap chablis to discover that the Domme of my dreams did not exactly represent Herself to me with full disclosure, instead of a $545.00 plane ticket plus expenses for a week as well as lost time from work. Ya think? Which is probably another thread for another time and a different day ;)

my time is worth money folks... and even if it wasnt i do not want it or my money wasted by some stranger who will only abuse me by being rude as a reward for my respect and courtesy toward them.

i have absolutely "no" issue with writing and getting a "no thanks" but i take big issue with writing a courteous response and being ignored... why? because it is unclassy, uncompassionate, disrespectful and "RUDE". (and i have feelings)

i also feel that if You put an add in here then You are obligated to follow through, even if You are not interested, as long as the responses to Your add are reasonably within Your "identified" parameters and are courteous. i feel it is irresponsible, unbecoming, and shows a total lack of respect for the people that respond to Your profile using "their" valuable time only to have You not respond with something in kind, and i certainly would not allow myself to "ever" serve or be controlled by anyone that champions poor character, as i am quite free of baggage and i very much need a partner who will respect that and allow me to keep it that way rather than sinking the ship before it even leaves port.

i would tend to find myself somewhat aligned with the concept that this may be indicative of society as a whole now days. Possibly more so in D/s and i am sure moreso online as people can hide behind their monitors. Which i feel is unfortunate because is sets a very poor example for those entering and learning about this lifestyle and perpetuates these and other problems we are all stuck with in O/our search for fulfillment. and i agree that many Women, men, Gurls, boys, subs also do the same as it is neither gender or class specific.

The old saying goes: "water always seeks the lowest level"

i would like to express my sincere thanks to "everyone" who has contributed to this thread and especially to those who contributed in a positive, productive and respectful manner. In particular the responses of those who gave me food for thought and very special thanks to those who went generously out of their way to help. Your thoughts and advice are sincerely appreciated.

Its a great life, i wouldnt miss it for the world ;)

Cheers,
slave




karmaslave -> RE: Rudeness (11/29/2004 9:06:30 PM)

Sorry you rolled snake-eyes your first time out here, bud.

Unfortunately, you can't expect everyone to be nice; some people are just out for a free ride, you know, loose like the slots in Las Vegas.

Good luck - the fact that you replied in the face of unrelenting adversity proves that you got the thick skin to make it through the night, man.

I mean, uh...

Shalom!




GoddessJules -> RE: Rudeness (11/30/2004 6:31:47 AM)

You know, just like when you apply for a job, they may or may not tell you that they hired someone else. Yes, they might have had an "ad" out in the paper or internet saying that they needed/wanted someone for a position. No, they aren't obligated to let you know anything (unless they want you) about the status of who may have gotten the job. It happens in life. I guess it boilds down to how *you* want to react to it. You can either say "fuggit" and move on. . .or you can harp on it and end up taking one of those varieties of heart drugs that in the long run will give you nasuea, headaches, kidney problems, pink eye, a yeast infection, rhoids.

I'm not here to "bash" you. . .it just seems that your own view/take on this is what is causing you grief. It's happening to people right this second. . .an email that they sent got send STRAIGHT to the trash bin. Most of them just get over it. I'm sure I've send emails that haven't been responded to. Since I find that so trivial, I can't really remember the last time it happened.

In any case, good luck in your search.

This is totally unrelated. . .but it made me laugh when I read it:
quote:

my time is worth money folks...
It is interesting that when a woman takes this stance, she's a prostitue of money domme.

Jules




smile2cu -> RE: Rudeness (11/30/2004 10:02:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MistressDREAD
~~whaaaaaa whaaaaaa I'm not getting what iiiiiii wannnttt. ~

sumone stick a ... tit in the cry subbies mouth.

[:(]Oh, Boo Hoo![:(]

Gee, I sure hope this works! [sm=lol.gif]

To actually address to original question, however, I wouldn't be surprised if many Dommes get a ton of email, since they're greatly outnumbered. As was pointed out, the blank profile and lack of picture is going to greatly decrease the chances of a response. Dommes are human too. I'm sure they'd like to know who they're responding to.

In an ideal world, I'd like to think people would respond, if only to say, "Thanks for your interest, but I don't think there's a match." But that's not what actually happens, here or on any other online environment. So there's no use crying about it, unless someone is willing to stick a tit in your mouth![sm=tongue.gif]




Nvernilla -> RE: Rudeness (11/30/2004 1:16:11 PM)

First of all Id like to wish you luck in your quest. I personally never let the fact that I am Dominant overshadow the fact that I am gentleman. I don't understand those who do. I do somehow feel that behavior like that is caused by low self esteem though. I know people who are just horrible about checking their email accts. too so some may not have seen it yet...Mike




MisPandora -> RE: Rudeness (12/1/2004 1:16:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Laura

I remember someone started defending blank profiles but would never give a reason for having the profile blank. Yet, he still expected to meet someone. It's all so stupid. Gimme gimme. But, no matter what they say, they expect to give nothing back.


The last boneheaded excuse I was given for someone not having a profile was that they were a clean canvas and mine to create. BS I say. You're a 21+ year old adult -- have at least something intelligent there, or don't bother me.

The pisser is that I go to the trouble of detailing out what I do and don't want, and what I expect the first communication to contain. I continue to be deluged with idiotic, off-topic mails from folks who so WAY do not fit what I specify. It makes me wonder how desperate they really are that they chase people that have absolutely NO interest in them!




collarmepls -> RE: Rudeness (12/2/2004 4:24:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Laura
I remember someone started defending blank profiles but would never give a reason for having the profile blank.


quote:

ORIGINAL: MisPandora
The pisser is that I go to the trouble of detailing out what I do and don't want, and what I expect the first communication to contain.
I continue to be deluged with idiotic, off-topic mails from folks who so WAY do not fit what I specify.
It makes me wonder how desperate they really are that they chase people that have absolutely NO interest in them!


It seems to me You just gave a perfectly good reason "not" to have a profile, or at least good enough for me, thats exactly how i would argue it.

Maybe a topic for another thread but i think that the definitions in this lifestyle are so varied between people that You never "really" know what is being said and of course the only way to know is to ask or in the case of these people You are talking about just assume maybe.




BeachMystress -> RE: Rudeness (12/2/2004 5:47:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GoddessJules

quote:

they have some fear wifey-pooh will find them. Guess what dweebs.. if wifey-pooh finds you here guess what.. YEAY. You've got a Domme.


Either that, or she is on here looking for a "masterly" type to dick her down really good.


LMAO.. very very true!




EStrict -> RE: Rudeness (12/3/2004 10:16:42 AM)

To me Pandora's comments are *not* a logical reason to not have a profile. If someone used that as an arguement, I would just tell them that I'm a big *first impression* kind of person. When I get IM's on AOL, Yahoo, ICQ, or MSN, the *first* thing I do is pull up the persons profile. If they do not have one, I don't respond. If they show they are *hidden* (which is VERY common), I do not respond. They found me to IM because of MY profile and the fact that the provider says I'm here... if they don't allow me the same first impression, ::shrugs::.

As far as your time being worth money, aren't those that don't respond actually SAVING you time? They can see you aren't what they are looking for (maybe for something as simple as you are too white, plain, boring and blank in their minds with your profile, and they want an HONEST view, not one you will *mold* to what you *think* they want to hear), and their time is valuable to them to, so they chose not to waste it responding to someone who wrote them unasked.





BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Rudeness (12/3/2004 1:34:55 PM)

Collar some guys get off on harsh treatment,weather it comes in the form of "ignoring your initial moves", rejecting your 1st kiss, or slapping you when you dared to say hello; haven't you read about people in this lifestyle?
Even in simple Vanila, some guys like a tough cookie/bitch.
Yes some people behave in a less than courteous manner, or some people behave in their Domme charachter, and it's all their choice to be "as bad as they want to be"... You will have to adjust your response accordingly; if someone doesn't reply, send another note to check, if she doesn't respond (at all or the way you like/respect), leave her alone.
Ms M




DRoseThorns -> RE: Rudeness (12/5/2004 7:32:44 PM)

I agree with your comments that one of any position, one has not to be rude. But as a Domme, I have gotten emails for some "subs" that start off with "What is happening" which in their case is NOTHING or lack of respect for a true seeker.
We all at one point were newbies. I understand that. But as a newbie sub or slave as well as those that have served, one gets more attention and return emails if they are honest, sincere and no drama.......




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