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shiftyw -> Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 9:19:21 AM)

My grandmother is in the hospital.
Our office is in her house.

I am the only one around today. My grams two cats and my parents corgi are all in the office all over me. They are all very sweet, but it's very clear they are stressed out. One cat just got over a bacteria infection caused by stress. The other keeps meowing for my gram. And my parents corgi is a sensitive baby and because of everyone else's stress has licked her paws raw.

What can I do to help them all calm down besides talking and attention? Anything?




littleladybug -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 10:00:29 AM)

When my fiancee passed away, his dog was very much "off" for several weeks. He came to live with me, and even though he was definitely familiar with the new environment, he was way more clingy than his usual clingy self. What I did was give him attention and lots of pets and treats, all on his terms. Even though I do believe than animals can be sensitive to loss, I believe more in the idea that they are creatures of habit and need stability, as much as possible.

Are you going to be a "primary caregiver" for the moment at least? If so, I would work so that they recognize, especially in the case of the cats, that you are a stable part of their lives. Maybe you can be the one that feeds them at regular times in the day? Be the one to give them treats?

I believe that, generally, non-human animals are way more adaptable than their human counterparts. Which is not to say that I don't think that they can feel "loss". I would just be careful about projecting too much "human emotion" on them.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 10:02:32 AM)

Love them and see if that works.

I do know that my cousins dog was so sad after one of her other furbabies died that they had to put him on puppy prozac or xanax for a while. Can you check with the vet and see if that is a possibility if it continues? They have got to be missing your grandmother so much!

((((HUGS)))))

Also, if grandmother goes to a nursing home (I think you had mentioned that), will you be able to take her furbabies to visit? It would do all of them a great amount of good I bet.




shiftyw -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 10:16:35 AM)

I largely agree LLB. The corgi came from an abusive home so I think her response to her stressed out human counterparts comes from that. Plus she is a herding dog and really likes order and habit, it's weird. I'm also trying to not stress too much around them because I don't want them to feel anymore confusion.

I will be the one feeding them breakfast but my aunt who lives here will be doing nighttime stuff but they have a solid schedule we are trying not to diverge from too bad.

We are hoping the kitties can visit her because they are her best friends, so for her own sake as well as theirs we are hoping that would be ok.

Just last week, the one cat isn't allowed outside- and I went to leave and she said "be sure not to let that.....creature out. I can't remember what he is but I love him!" So we are hoping we can at least bring in the corgi for her to visit with if she ends up in a home after this. It's all very up in the air right now...




littleladybug -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 10:22:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: shiftyw

I'm also trying to not stress too much around them because I don't want them to feel anymore confusion.


I think this is a really good mindset to have. No doubt that they feel that their world has been turned upside down. Even if it's just the loss of a familiar lap to sit on, it's big. If you can let them know that "it will be ok", I think that would go a very long way.

Wish you the best.




satanscharmer -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 10:28:50 AM)

Love, love, consistency, and more love. So not the same, but anytime my oldest is away our dog whines and paces. He misses her and, I think, worries. They're so much like people. Extra attention helps, but will mostly take time to adjust.
I'm sorry for all that you're going through and hope it gets better soon. I also hope you're taking some time for yourself, a least a little time.




DesFIP -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 12:22:36 PM)

I would call the vet and ask for suggestions. Especially if they're going to be with you for a long time, some anti anxiety medication might help them adapt easier and sooner.

It isn't like the owner is off on a cruise and you just have them temporarily. You are under a great deal of stress and can't not convey that to them. Plus you stressing over them will up their stress level and so on.




AAkasha -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 12:42:11 PM)


I have a cat that is nearly 20. It's now deaf and confused quite often but is otherwise very healthy. The problem is that he 'yowls' all night long. Started a few years ago. It was helped by leaving a few lights on -- the yowling is often a lost cat in the middle of the night when they can't find their way back to their owner. He has very bad eyesight.

In recent months the yowling became horrible - almost all night long.

Took him to the vet and she said it's feline dementia combined with the poor eyesight and hearing, and put him on a drug called Elavil. It is amazing -- it's only been a week and the yowling is down considerably. some times not at all.

From what I have read, elavil is used for a lot of animal emotional issues -- anxiety, stress, self harm, depression. You might want to look into that with your vet.




shiftyw -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 2:07:49 PM)

Thanks guys. I think I'll have my aunt look into it. She knows which vets they go to and had been taking care of them- but I think it might be necessary.




MariaB -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 2:09:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I would call the vet and ask for suggestions. Especially if they're going to be with you for a long time, some anti anxiety medication might help them adapt easier and sooner.

It isn't like the owner is off on a cruise and you just have them temporarily. You are under a great deal of stress and can't not convey that to them. Plus you stressing over them will up their stress level and so on.


What I bolded in DesFips post is really important. I own a dog who suffers from anxiety disorder and I've tried everything under the sun to stop it getting worse. Unfortunately some breeds of dogs are more pr-disposed to getting this than others but they all have a trigger that can set it off. I have no experience with stress in cats but an abundance with my dog and so I'll share some of that with you.

Prozac does help but takes several weeks to start working and its hugely expensive.
'Thunder vests' for dogs are fantastic but shouldn't be worn all the time; just at times when you believe the dog is going to be more stressed than usual.

Attention is the key thing. Too much attention will actually make the dog more stressed. I know that sounds crazy and I found it really difficult not to give my wee fur baby lots of love and fuss but I abided by the dog psychologists rules and have to say, this really does help tremendously. When a dog is stressed it will study its carers every move. What your little dog will be fearing more than anything right now is loss and abandonment and that goes up tenfold every time you leave to go out or the other carer leaves to go out and every time you come back. When you leave its really important not to make a fuss of the dog just prior to leaving and more importantly, not to make a fuss of the dog when you arrive. The dog reads attention from you at these times as you being just as stressed as him/her and just confirms and escalates what it fears the most. The dog will quickly get to know the times you arrive and the times you leave and will start to feel more stress around these periods of the day. If the other carer is around, its a good idea if she can distract the dog with play time.

Don't interrupt alone time. Dogs that are fretting or anxious often need alone time unlike us humans who often just need a cuddle. He will come to you when he wants a cuddle and when he does want that cuddle time, that is when he's feeling his most relaxed.

Keep up the dogs routine apart from when you are about to leave. If you can, try and break the habits of what you do when your about to go out of the door, even if it means putting your shoes on outside. I didn't realize but my dog knew that I always combed my hair just before I left the house and so every time I combed my hair he started to feel stressed [8|] The other thing I always did was look him in the face, pat him and say, "I won't be long". I now leave without looking at him or saying a word and he's much happier.

I've waffled on and it may be that your little dog isn't anything like as stressed as my boy gets but the problem with stress is, it so easily and quickly escalates. When I was in hospital recently my dog fretted dreadfully; once Steve had brought him into the hospital garden and let him see I was okay, he became far more settled. I would say, the sooner this dog can see his owner the better.




shiftyw -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 2:20:04 PM)

Ah, the dog is my parents, but she has been sorta helping care for my gram and been a companion since she comes to work with my parents. I'll relay all that to my parents, thanks Maria! She's always had anxiety and I think they put her on prozac before but it made her way groggy- so they took her off. Fortunately because of this arrangement she tends to come and go with my parents (they live across the street, so they just walk to work) all the time. We got her out for a walk and that lifted her spirits a great deal.

I did get confirmation that the dog CAN visit at the old folks home, so as soon as she is transferred from the hospital there, I think we will probably bring the dog over. No word on the cats yet.




DommeinRochester -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 3:03:17 PM)

I feel your pain. My partner was hospitalized for a health issue. She has a little velcro dog. She was in the hospital and rehab for about 3 months. The rehab center was part of a senior center. He loved visiting her there, it helped her too. He became a favorite of many of the patients there. Going through the lobby took a good 20 minutes. Patients in the lobby needed to say hi and pet him. Anyway, as others have said, it helped to give him extra love and a few treats here and there. thi

Have you ever heard of Reiki? Best quick explanation I can give is it is healing energy. If you are interested in this for her cats and the dog, send me a message, I can give you some information for some free resources.




DesFIP -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 5:42:51 PM)

The horses weren't helped by Reiki, but the animal chiropractor achieved miracles.

Elavil is one of the tricyclics, a class of drugs used to treat depression and other mood disorders prior to modern SSRIs. It's been off patent for 20 years so it ought to be cheap.

I don't understand why Prozac is that expensive, it's off patent as well, at least in the US. Here, for people at least, it's a couple of dollars a month.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/12/2015 6:31:02 PM)

So glad the dog can visit. Hopefully the cats can also, although I wonder how well they will do on the car ride!

Hang in there chickie. I suspect the animals can sense how much you care, and nothing but good can come from that.




MercTech -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/13/2015 12:46:58 AM)

I miss Willy....

I inherited Willy when my mother died. Willy had a bit of a traumatic puppyhood as he was raised with two rat terriers that thoroughly indoctrinated him as a doggy fem-domme's submissive. Willy was a male golden retriever. He went from a neurotic dislike of anything male who would hide behind my mother and growl whenever I came into the room to crying if I was out of sight. Willy developed a love of travel and for several years went off on job contracts to guard my RV while I was at work.
I remember the first time Willy saw snow. Russellville Arkansas got their all time record snow fall, 26 inches in one night. I arrived home from work and, as usual, Willy came bounding out of the RV for our after work walk. All of a sudden; Willy realized his wedding tackle was dragging through something COLD. The sight of a 135 lb golden retriever walking on his front paws and yipping back into the RV was a sight to see. I had to carry him to the dog walk and break trail for him before he would do his twice a day deposit. After that; he WOULD NOT step on anything white.

Willy had a stroke a couple of years ago and couldn't walk without his back legs flopping out from under him. I hope he enjoyed his 17 years with my mother and then me.




MariaB -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/13/2015 2:19:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

I don't understand why Prozac is that expensive, it's off patent as well, at least in the US. Here, for people at least, it's a couple of dollars a month.


Over in the UK it costs £75 ($111) for a two week dose and that's the lowest dose 5mg tablet if you get it from your vets. A doctors human prescription which is often 3 months worth is just over £7




MercTech -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/13/2015 2:39:09 AM)

Mail order pet medications are often much much cheaper than from your local veterinarian. I used to by Rimadyl for my dog from
http://www.calvetsupply.com/





MariaB -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/13/2015 5:37:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MercTech

Mail order pet medications are often much much cheaper than from your local veterinarian. I used to by Rimadyl for my dog from
http://www.calvetsupply.com/




I just took a look Merc and joined a site that sold Prozac online in the UK. After filling in my details and clicking on the cart for Prozac it asked for a doctors prescription number and said that it couldn't be purchased without that.




DesFIP -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/13/2015 7:34:11 AM)

Fosters & Smith sell Prozac for .19US each for a 20 mg tablet. But a prescription is required. However, since your pet has a history of anxiety, perhaps your vet will write you one.




MariaB -> RE: Caring for grieving or stressed pets? (3/13/2015 8:18:50 AM)

My vet will write me one but he will charge me a lot of money for doing so. Veterinary care over here is ridiculously expensive and although my dog is insured, his application for anti-depressants was turned down by the insurance company.

What I did find in the chemist today was 'kalms'. Its a totally natural product made up of valerian root and hob stobile extract. I used to give this to my horses before competitions and it certainly took the edge off their fizz. The pharmacist told me they sell a lot of it to dog owners. £4.49 for 50 tablets... I'm going to give it a try.




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