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Puppy mills for children... - 3/13/2015 2:49:10 AM   
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I have to giggle at some of the politicians from my home state having the ability to choose words that are so fantastically offensive. There needs to be a good term for the compete opposite of politically correct.

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2015/mar/12/mississippi-special-education-bill-passes-opponent/
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RE: Puppy mills for children... - 3/13/2015 3:35:15 AM   
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The idea is funny but I don't see how that would be the case... people don't decide to have a disabled baby because "oh hunny we don't have to abort that thing after all, we can send it to private school now I wonder who thought that one up... if that's the case the public schools now are just puppy mills

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RE: Puppy mills for children... - 3/13/2015 3:49:25 AM   
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U.S. public schools were originally set up as a place to make good assembly line workers that show up on time, do what they are told, don't talk back and don't question what they are told. At least that is the take of one anthropology professor I was friends with while in college. The needs of society, in regards to the work force, changed and the public schools needed to change.
The bat part of the changes that were wrought in the 70s and 80s led to turning out high school graduates that did not have the basic academic skills. A lot of companies want to hire people with associate degrees so you can be assured of enough math skills to count change. At least that was the take in the late 90s at several fast food chains when hiring for manager trainees.

Now, for special needs children; what is the end result desired in a school program. I hope the end result would be training to be functionally independent in modern society. The use of private schools might provide special emphasis on needs but I fear that it could turn into warehousing special needs children to maximize profit.

Describing it as "puppy mills for children" is still a warped but humorous way to describe that.

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RE: Puppy mills for children... - 3/13/2015 3:59:41 AM   
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Puppy mills are for breeding though, pet stores are the warehouse... I agree as far as the school system goes but then I went to private schools and they aren't much different, yep just a more specialized form of submission. I have a half sister with down syndrome(she is in regular kindergarden) and in cali her "therapy" i.e. special learning programs outside of the school system, seems better than the schools... she gets private nurses and physical therapists that pay attention to each child instead of the 40 some kids in her kindergarden class.

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RE: Puppy mills for children... - 3/13/2015 9:25:40 AM   
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U.S. public schools were originally set up as a place to make good assembly line workers that show up on time, do what they are told, don't talk back and don't question what they are told. At least that is the take of one anthropology professor I was friends with while in college.

actually, when i was a kid going to school i felt schools were a glorified baby sitting service so mom and dad could go to work without having to pay someone to take care of the kiddies.. and i also thought that kids could do all 12 years of school in half the time.. it always ticked me off that when i went back in the fall, the teachers would go over stuff learned the previous year cuz obviously kids were so addle-minded that they had forgotten it all over the summer... and what i concluded about college is that it was for the benefit of employers, as you say, to make you a good worker bee.. and students end up saddled with tens of thousands of dollars in debt as a result..

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RE: Puppy mills for children... - 3/13/2015 9:57:59 AM   
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I have to giggle at some of the politicians from my home state having the ability to choose words that are so fantastically offensive. There needs to be a good term for the compete opposite of politically correct.

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2015/mar/12/mississippi-special-education-bill-passes-opponent/


So they want to do a pilot program for the disabled. That seems a good idea. The only thing I would like to see is some sort of sunset provision so if it doesn't work it does not continue to be funded.

I fail to see how the pilot program equates to a "puppy mill."

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RE: Puppy mills for children... - 3/13/2015 11:08:37 AM   
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I don't see how the pilot program equates to puppy mill either, Aylee.
I wanted to poke fun at that politicians choice of words.

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RE: Puppy mills for children... - 3/13/2015 7:34:58 PM   
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Mississippi I think is rated in last place for education in the nation. They have a number of major problems that create problems all on their own. Teacher's salaries are not on par with the nation. Good teachers will go where the good pay is located. Many of the schools are in dire need of repair or replaced. Teaching materials are out of date at all grade levels, not to mention their computer systems are a few years old. When one sits down and looks at the information, there are alot of problems that could be fixed with better resources.

At issue here is the ability of the school systems to handle students with disabilities. From what I've been gathering, many of them are simply overwhelmed. They have to 'house' the students to obtain federal money to help pay for everything else. But because they cant give these students the proper resources, they lag behind. Thus, we are at the problem of the OP's article and debate in the Mississippi Legislature.

We know from observation of states doing very well the kinds of things these schools need to have, even with special needs students. Funding, parental involvement, good salary and benefits for teachers, repaired and/or replaced schools. Updated teaching materials including funding for extra curricular activities.

What those in the MS Legislature wish to do is good, it needs to be done across the board, to have any real effect on the problem. The article points something out:

Opponents of the bill argued that under the bill, private schools would be able to accept students with vouchers even if they do not have staff trained to work with special education students. Many felt the certification process for the schools that would accept these students are too lax. Brown echoed what many fear about the bill—that some institutions will accept students purely for profit, not to actually help students.

There has to be more than one metrics to determine if those private schools whom have accepted those students can prove better performance over the public schools. Likewise these schools would need to prove they have the correct educators for wide range of disabilities of students. That if a private school does not show improvements, its penalized.

I don't envy the educators in that state!

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