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CreativeDominant -> Worthwhile Show? (3/13/2015 7:29:49 PM)

The question mark is because I know some you wouldn't go there, no matter what I...or anyone else... says, but there's a hell of an interesting report on FOX News right now called "Unholy War...The March of ISIS". IT repeats at 11 Mountain time.




joether -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/13/2015 7:37:43 PM)

FOX 'news' pushing....fear, Fear.....FEAR! What else is new....

My guess is Media Matters (and other organizations) will explain all the stuff FOX missed or conveniently left out to 'make its argument(s)'.





CreativeDominant -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/13/2015 7:55:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: joether

FOX 'news' pushing....fear, Fear.....FEAR! What else is new....

My guess is Media Matters (and other organizations) will explain all the stuff FOX missed or conveniently left out to 'make its argument(s)'.


Quick joether...Before you have a chance to look it up, give us a description of the show you're dissing.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/13/2015 8:30:24 PM)


CD, he's right. ISIS is nothing to fear. They're just a bunch of mis-understood, freedom fighters, bent on returning the world to the 7th century and anyone that opposes that is, obviously, a racist and an Islamaphobe.

After all, all the progress mankind has made since the 7th century is evil and not in keeping with the interpretations of Mohammad. [/sarcasm]

I have to admit that I try to alternate my TV news viewing between FOX and PMSNBC or The (C)linton (N)ews (N)etwork so I can get "both sides" and then, maybe do a little research and make up my mind from there. I would do that, in this case except for the fact that the MSM seems to completely disregard the threat that ISIS poses so, they (largely) ignore the group. They certainly don't do anything in-depth like FOX does.



Michael




lovmuffin -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/13/2015 9:16:36 PM)

In my best Tommy Chong voice

"They're J.V. league man"




Kirata -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/13/2015 9:17:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

FOX 'news' pushing....fear, Fear.....FEAR! What else is new....

My guess is Media Matters (and other organizations) will explain all the stuff FOX missed or conveniently left out to 'make its argument(s)'.

There is, of course, the minor detail that Media Matters is a progressive lobbying group, founded by David Brock and funded in part by MoveOn.org, a progressive advocacy PAC, and the New Democrat Network, founded by Clinton political strategist Simon Rosenberg (see here, here, here, and here).

In a 2011 interview with Politico, Brock vowed to wage "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox News (see here).

But hey, like you said, what else is new?

K.




joether -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 12:44:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
FOX 'news' pushing....fear, Fear.....FEAR! What else is new....

My guess is Media Matters (and other organizations) will explain all the stuff FOX missed or conveniently left out to 'make its argument(s)'.

There is, of course, the minor detail that Media Matters is a progressive lobbying group, founded by David Brock and funded in part by MoveOn.org, a progressive advocacy PAC, and the New Democrat Network, founded by Clinton political strategist Simon Rosenberg (see here, here, here, and here).

In a 2011 interview with Politico, Brock vowed to wage "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox News (see here).

But hey, like you said, what else is new?


So we have the 24/7/365 conservative propaganda media machine on one side, and the progressive media on the other side. So between the two we should get the full story. Granted the second source will have decently vetted information, while the first will give mroe spin and crap than one needs.

To bad we couldn't have a moderate media that separated the facts directly and distinctly from the opinion pieces. Oh wait we do, its called 'NPR' :P




bounty44 -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 5:01:12 AM)

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So we have the 24/7/365 conservative propaganda media machine on one side,


its pretty clear to me you have not actually watched fox news for any length of time (or your ideology gets in the way of your reasoning). I posted this before, its worth saying again:

all the other news stations and networks are all left all the time---fox, while on the whole leans right, includes balance in ALL their shows and whats more, has multiple personalities with their own shows, or who are regulars on shows, who are liberal.

it beats the living daylights out of me how anyone who watches any other network, and then fox by comparison, could come to the conclusion they are not balanced in the regard I just pointed out.

the only thing I can imagine is liberals are so immersed in the rest of the media that they think it passes for normal reality, and when they see fox, it jars their status quo.


"Fox Derangement Syndrome is an idiomatic phrase used to refer to wildly exaggerated overreaction to the news, opinion shows, and very existence of the Fox News Channel. Although the term did not exist at the time, a good example occurred during the December 1, 2003 broadcast of Hardball with Chris Matthews, in which liberal Democrat political commentator Chris Matthews asked liberal Democrat politician Howard Dean, "Would you break up Fox?", to which Dean replied: "On ideological grounds, absolutely yes."




bounty44 -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 5:05:14 AM)

just posted this elsewhere:



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bounty44 -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 5:12:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

FOX 'news' pushing....fear, Fear.....FEAR! What else is new....

My guess is Media Matters (and other organizations) will explain all the stuff FOX missed or conveniently left out to 'make its argument(s)'.

There is, of course, the minor detail that Media Matters is a progressive lobbying group, founded by David Brock and funded in part by MoveOn.org, a progressive advocacy PAC, and the New Democrat Network, founded by Clinton political strategist Simon Rosenberg (see here, here, here, and here).

In a 2011 interview with Politico, Brock vowed to wage "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox News (see here).

But hey, like you said, what else is new?

K.



speaking of media matters---they get funded heavily from George soros---who I just learned funds another group who's been bussing people into ferguson to agitate, errrr, protest.




mnottertail -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 7:06:22 AM)

And Faux Nuze is half owned by a Saudi Prince. A Mooooooooooooooooooooooooozlum Allahu Akbar!!!! Hah?




Lucylastic -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 7:45:57 AM)

fucking hilarious wow, I thought I was watching a alex jones special




mnottertail -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 9:00:26 AM)

quote:


In a 2011 interview with Politico, Brock vowed to wage "guerrilla warfare and sabotage" against Fox News


Well, I bet he has all sorts of vacation time, they sort of sabotage themselves, they are fucking stupid.




dcnovice -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 11:30:49 AM)

FR

There's a nine-minute preview/summary here:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4110600942001/fox-news-reporting-unholy-war-the-march-of-isis/?#sp=show-clips

Hard to watch.




Politesub53 -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 5:45:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant


quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

FOX 'news' pushing....fear, Fear.....FEAR! What else is new....

My guess is Media Matters (and other organizations) will explain all the stuff FOX missed or conveniently left out to 'make its argument(s)'.


Quick joether...Before you have a chance to look it up, give us a description of the show you're dissing.




Its Fox News....... who needs to look it up.




CreativeDominant -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 8:40:41 PM)

Ohhhh...and there's a demo of English "openness"




CreativeDominant -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 8:44:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

Ohhhh...and there's a demo of English "open-mindedness". Guys...I've got news for you: Seems a bit silly to call others "close- minded" when they've at least watched your videos and you refuse to even check out one report.





MrRodgers -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 9:50:41 PM)

This is all very easy for me...I don't believe any of them. News reporters are agents of the messenger, scripted and fired for not toeing the line...neocon or old con, moderate or not, any side, if it doesn't follow the agenda of the bosses.

Finally even BBC & Al Jazeera are seeing some resignations.




joether -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/14/2015 11:39:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
quote:

So we have the 24/7/365 conservative propaganda media machine on one side,


its pretty clear to me you have not actually watched fox news for any length of time (or your ideology gets in the way of your reasoning). I posted this before, its worth saying again:


Then you are not very clear on reality. One thing missing from your 'analysis' on things is....THE EVIDENCE. The evidence is, I've been watching FOX 'news' since the early 90's. Have watched a fair amount of its reporting over the years on every major and many minor issues facing the nation and local areas. The ideology of FOX 'news' is very much conservative in its viewpoint. A moderate media would report the facts and information, without pushing a political agenda all the time.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44
all the other news stations and networks are all left all the time---fox, while on the whole leans right, includes balance in ALL their shows and whats more, has multiple personalities with their own shows, or who are regulars on shows, who are liberal.


Most news sites and media are actually quite conservative in viewpoint. Since they all bash the President when he's not performing well. If what you said was 'true', then each of these places would place President Obama in the best possible light, and conservatives in the most negative. That is not happening. You would REALLY have to stretch the facts to arrive at your viewpoint.

FOX 'news' anchors and 'experts' are often pushing a word/phrase of the day. A concept they are trying to drive into the minds of viewers. This has been noticed by many news outlets, including The Daily Show, CNN, and even TYT. They usually show the clips of what the word/phrase was for the full day. If you go back and check, it does come up. When ACTUAL EXPERTS have appeared, its usually had some really HILARIOUS RESULTS. Or when FOX 'news' is Pushing the GOP/TP Conspiracy and reality enters into the equation.

Again, your 'analysis' falls very far short from reality. Its a good idea to have correct evidence when slamming someone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMmtR4aESUs
it beats the living daylights out of me how anyone who watches any other network, and then fox by comparison, could come to the conclusion they are not balanced in the regard I just pointed out.


Why do they have to be balanced? That you believe there has to be some conservative oriented media to 'balance out' the supportive 'liberal' ones? That your against 'liberal media' or (to use Latin) Liberalis Media in favor of conservative media. You should really sit down and consider what your stating. Your stating your in favor of 'state-run' media over free media. Your not going to understand this, until you sit down and really study the crap out of things.

I would rather have a liberal media in place over a conservative. Liberal media sites tend to pester government and organizations with a billion questions. Conservatives media will not 'rock the boat' if it helps other conservatives out. That you want Democrats held accountable and responsible for their power is good. I agree on that. However, we disagree on something else: That I...ALSO....demand accountability and responsibility from Republicans and the Tea Party; you do not do this. Before you go bash that 'evil, commie, tree-hugging, mutant, liberal' media, stop and make sure your holding the conservative media to the same standards.

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44
the only thing I can imagine is liberals are so immersed in the rest of the media that they think it passes for normal reality, and when they see fox, it jars their status quo.


FOX 'news' as a concept teaches a concept to the younger generations. To be watchful and aware of a media organization that pushes a viewpoint that demands obedience rather than questioning what is herd and reported. I have no problem if you wish to question other media sources you consider 'liberal'. Again, just as long as your doing the same with conservative as well. There is a far number of conservative media that reports very slanted news and information; just go onto any of the thousand 'Conservative Daily Talk Radio' shows across the nation each day.

I don't look at just one news site in a day. Not even in my own industry! I will look at quite a few. When you start looking at different publications, you start to learn their habits and how they report information. Likewise, if your being observant, you can even start to understand who their target audience(s) are in the nation. NPR, for example, appeals to people that want information minus the opinion. Its sometimes boring and dry stuff, but its factual.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
"Fox Derangement Syndrome is an idiomatic phrase used to refer to wildly exaggerated overreaction to the news, opinion shows, and very existence of the Fox News Channel. Although the term did not exist at the time, a good example occurred during the December 1, 2003 broadcast of Hardball with Chris Matthews, in which liberal Democrat political commentator Chris Matthews asked liberal Democrat politician Howard Dean, "Would you break up Fox?", to which Dean replied: "On ideological grounds, absolutely yes."


What does this have to do with anything? I can find plenty of quotes from people on the media and specific media at that. Do you seem me using them as justification to not study their behaviors and content? No, because I will decide for myself how to view the content from each media as it relates to a subject matter.




Kirata -> RE: Worthwhile Show? (3/15/2015 12:02:46 AM)


>Most news sites and media are actually question conservative in viewpoint.

Could somebody translate that into English for me?

K.




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