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NookieNotes -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 1:17:46 AM)

1. READ the profile. Don't write if you don't fit what they are looking for.

2. Write with something personal and specific. Mention the profile and something that caught your eye. Best if it's not overly kinky/sexy.

3. If you get a "no" or no message back, simply move on.

3a. If you get a response back, write back in the same way. Longer messages = longer responses. Shorter = short. Ask questions that cause dialog, instead of yes/no.

4. Be ready to meet/phone/skype/move to a messenger when SHE asks for it (because you are approaching), but know your own time table. If your timetable is getting close, mention it, then drop it and realize you are probably not a match if she demurs.

5. If you decide you are not a match, simply say so, and move on.

And to be clear, this is exactly how I treat people when I approach. In one step it's bolied down to:

1. Treat everyone like a real human being.

Simple.




DarkSteven -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 1:32:52 AM)

Exactly what my girlfriend NookieNotes wrote above.

I have approached women with various odd questions:

You have a lot of pictures of hummingbirds in your profile. May I ask what hummingbirds mean to you?

Your profile says you had a pet maple tree as a girl. How did that happen?

Several people said they intended to move to the Denver area. I sent them a copy and paste listing some kink venues and also some vanilla facts about the area.




igor2003 -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 6:32:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

1. READ the profile. Don't write if you don't fit what they are looking for.

2. Write with something personal and specific. Mention the profile and something that caught your eye. Best if it's not overly kinky/sexy.

3. If you get a "no" or no message back, simply move on.

3a. If you get a response back, write back in the same way. Longer messages = longer responses. Shorter = short. Ask questions that cause dialog, instead of yes/no.

4. Be ready to meet/phone/skype/move to a messenger when SHE asks for it (because you are approaching), but know your own time table. If your timetable is getting close, mention it, then drop it and realize you are probably not a match if she demurs.

5. If you decide you are not a match, simply say so, and move on.

And to be clear, this is exactly how I treat people when I approach. In one step it's bolied down to:

1. Treat everyone like a real human being.

Simple.


I agree with pretty much everything you wrote. The only possible exception would be #3, and here is why. As has been mentioned many times in these forums, most women get a LOT of responses. Sometimes they get a little carried away with simply delete, delete, delete. There HAVE been times (more than once, and on other dating sites) that I did not get a response from someone that I thought was a very likely match. I had taken the time to write out an in depth, though not necessarily lengthy, responses to their profiles and thought a response from them was very likely. When a response did not come, I wrote a second, shorter note to them asking if they had received my first letter. They HAD received it, and had wanted to respond, but had accidentally deleted my letter and could not respond because, of course, my email address or profile info had been deleted along with the letter.

This is why I call bullshit on the "No reply is a reply" nonsense. I see a lot of the ladies say they don't want to receive rude follow-ups when they tell someone that they don't think they are a match. I understand that, and agree. But when someone takes time to write a lengthy, well thought out, and considerate inquiry to their profile I think they deserve a considerate response for the time and consideration they have put in to write to them. With the CollarSpace format it takes all of about 12 seconds to actually write, "Thanks, but no thanks", hit the "send" button, then click the "block" button. That way the lady shows that she did, indeed, read the letter, and then by clicking the "block" feature they know that they won't be getting any rude retorts.

Then, where you write: "Treat everyone like a real human being", people need to keep in mind that that goes for both the person writing to someone, AND to the person receiving the message! Not responding to the effort someone has put in to write a thoughtful and informative message to them is every bit as rude as it is if someone receives a "Thanks, but no thanks," then goes on a tirade for having been rejected.




NookieNotes -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 6:51:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003
When a response did not come, I wrote a second, shorter note to them asking if they had received my first letter. They HAD received it, and had wanted to respond, but had accidentally deleted my letter and could not respond because, of course, my email address or profile info had been deleted along with the letter.


Yeah. I get that.

On my end, though, that would still not work, as I prefer people in my life to not only be organized, but also to deal with things quickly and decisively.

I would not "second chance" them, ever.

quote:

Then, where you write: "Treat everyone like a real human being", people need to keep in mind that that goes for both the person writing to someone, AND to the person receiving the message! Not responding to the effort someone has put in to write a thoughtful and informative message to them is every bit as rude as it is if someone receives a "Thanks, but no thanks," then goes on a tirade for having been rejected.


I disagree. Everyone has a right to deal with unsolicited messages as they see fit. Just like they would with junk mail or spam. Just because it is a human selling themselves instead of a toaster oven does not make a difference.

Personally, I write back. But that's because that's my choice. I would not require anyone else to do the same.

And I think it's very odd to think that anyone should be able to dictate that for another.




Kittenluv954 -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 7:10:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003

--FR--

Personally, I've always found that the sooner you actually meet, the better...within reason. Here's why:

When you make contact, and things seem very promising, you start to envision the person you are talking to as falling into the mold of what you find ideal. You can exchange written messages, chat via Skype or Messenger, talk on the phone, etc. And for some, the "words" all seem very right and promising, so in your mind this starts to look like the perfect person for you. You start imagining things outside of what you have actually talked about. Your mental picture of this person gets better and better.

Finally...FINALLY...you decide to actually meet this person that you have imagined to be so perfect. . .only to now find out that, in person, the "spark" isn't really there. Oh my God...this person actually has FLAWS! You are disappointed. And so you decide not to see that person again. Days, weeks, or even months have been wasted building false expectations.

But, if you go ahead and meet this person...IN person...relatively early on, you build their flaws into the picture you have of them. And we know that EVERYONE has flaws. You don't have to actually start dating or having frequent meetings of any kind. You can let them know that you want to move slowly. If they can't handle that, then you already know they aren't the person for you. But at least while you are getting to know them, you are getting to know the real person...not some idealized picture you have of them based only on your imaginings.

Also, if a person starts taking too long to at least meet, then I start to think that they must not have as much interest as I do, and if their interest isn't there, I'll move on.

I know this kind of situation isn't for everyone. But for me, this has been what works the best.



for me everything is a delicate balance. if I start talking to a guy, and I like him, I want to meet soon after. not that day, but soon. if I'm not sure, I need a bit more time. it's really just a feeling I get based on our communication. but if he wants to meet too early, he feels desperate and pushy, and if he stalls meeting, or even asking for my number and it's been a week or so, then I just think he's married or otherwise not really interested. I don't have one all encompassing "rule" that applies to everyone other than they can't be short. LOL :)




DerangedUnit -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 7:28:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NookieNotes

1. Treat everyone like a real human being.

Simple.


People seem to have very different average messages than me. Most messages start as hi, they ask if you will fuck them, you say no, they make sock profiles for months to keep yelling at you after you delete them. I had thought most women use the delete feature heavily for the same reason I do, you recognize where this is going and it's easier to stop them at hello than to bother giving them the spanking they want once the tantrum starts.




smileforme50 -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 5:08:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr


quote:

ORIGINAL: SMgirl66

talking and wanting to know whats inside a person, instead of being more what a person looks like, or wanting to rush and meet after 3 messages and then run off when i say i need more time

that would work



I think this might be a matter of perspective and each particular situation. I know you used the phrase: " ... after 3 messages ...". I'm hoping that was an exaggeration. Certainly, only three would be a bit quick. I'm going to expand upon that, a little bit.

When a lady contacts me and seems "gung-ho", I will suggest a phone/Skype conversation fairly quickly (an hour or two of chatting. I DESPISE carrying on a conversation through text. There's too many chances for misunderstanding).

I've now, invested two hours (or so) of my time, doing something I hate to do because I understand that the other person has their own time table. If the lady balks at the idea of actually speaking, but still seems "gung-ho" in other ways, it's a "yellow flag" for me.

So, when I start chatting with her, again (on a different day, we happen to both be online) and I spend another hour or two with her, still seeming to be interested and we can't move on, a little bit, I will, probably figure that we just aren't going to mesh. I don't "run off", but I certainly don't invest a whole lot more time. Also, I don't slam the door. I've met a couple of young ladies from this very website that have messaged me, months later saying: "Okay. I think I'm ready to meet you, now" (Of course, on one occasion, I found out there was a relationship with someone else, in the interim).

Again, I think it's about perspective. I've actually chatted with a couple of ladies that have profiles that read something along the lines of: "I don't want to waste a whole lot of time, typing. You need to be willing to talk on the phone/meet for coffee within ______________(X amount of time)"

Different people have different time tables. if our time tables don't mesh, neither is running off; they've just re-evaluated.

Michael



I understand wanting to talk on the phone fairly quickly....but at the same time, for some people they see that as a bit of a safety issue. What kind of a risk is a person taking by giving this complete stranger their phone number?

While I understand that is annoying to spend a lot of time chatting online, for me, I need a little bit of time.....at least a few good chats....before I can feel comfortable that he most likely won't cause me to want to change my phone number in a couple of weeks.




shiftyw -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 7:02:03 PM)

Literally...I think EVERYTIME I've given a stranger- wether at the club or online my phone number before the "first date" I've ended up getting dick pics I didn't ask for.

I mean like...a surprising amount of times. Not that I'm all that- but seriously- I've stopped giving out my number before the first date has gone through. Cause...dick pics.




sexyred1 -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/17/2015 10:19:16 PM)

About what to say to wonen, I echo the women before me.

Write something relevant to her profile or a cute or interesting question.

Don't just write, hi, how are you or you are pretty or hot, lets meet. Too generic.

As for meeting, if you take too long to meet, I have found that some men have fantasized way too much and their expectations of the meeting wildly differ from mine.

One time I met a guy who literally told me he loved me on the first date and brought me a huge box of brand new sex toys.

Needless to say, there was no second date.




tiggerspoohbear -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/18/2015 2:24:34 AM)

Didja keep the toys? Inquiring bears and all..... [:D][:D][:D]




applesaregood -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/18/2015 6:35:31 PM)


Hi guys, a few suggestions to help :)

1) Be patient, and diligent - sometimes it takes time for both sides to be in the right place at right time.
2) Maintain interests in other areas so that you DO have more to offer than any jerk guys, the quality Mistress is knowledgeable and discerning and
has a right to be. If you appear interesting and broad in character ie well rounded developed she will respond i'm sure.
3) You must also be a knight, a defender of the Mistress (not a coward) - so if you meet these 'wankas' don't ignore it do something about it, tell
them off or notify others of their existence.
A Mistress is well capable of taking care of her self make no presumptions but as a gesture it shows your pure of heart.
4) Show respect to the general community and you will be rewarded with serious consideration when the time comes.




MissAelle -> RE: okay....serious..... (3/20/2015 9:13:33 AM)

What everyone said. Also something I've noticed lately: when you DO get into a conversation with someone, offer stuff up about yourself too! All too often I get stuck in conversations where the guy basically interrogates me. I am capable of asking my own questions of course, but a lot of the time my answers to his questions are about ten times as long as his are to mine. I can accept him not writing as much as me (I can be a bit of a word vomiter online...) but why not just offer more than the bare necessities when being asked a question? That, for me, is what turns an interrogation into an actual discussion. :P

Oh, and yeah, it doesn't count if your only "long" answers concern your penis and/or your sexual interests...




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