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Any advice on breathplay? - 3/26/2015 4:51:44 AM   
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OK, we are toying a bit with breath play but really are considering taking it to the limit (yet without me becoming a corpse). How does one safely bring someone to passing out? Any good links with safety tips?

Anyone here have any advice for new practitioners of breath play?
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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/26/2015 6:24:10 AM   
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Anything that actually involves compressing the larynx is a no-go in my house, you can fracture the hyoid too easily. If I want him to have the sensation of being choked, I'll place a hand over his throat with minimal pressure, and another over his mouth, with the thumb and forefinger at the top pinching his nose closed. That doesn't usually result in him passing out, but he enjoys the sensation.

If I want him passing out, or close to it, I'll wrap both hands around his neck like I'm going to choke him, but only apply pressure at the sides. That occludes the arteries at the sides of his neck, cutting off blood flow to the brain, and he'll see stars very quickly, and get woozy not long after that. If you're going to take that all the way to you passing out, make sure she lets up as SOON as you even seem like you're losing consciousness, the brain likes its oxygen!

Smothering is also a fun one, if you're not attached to the feel of something around your neck. If she's sitting firmly on your face then you get a great visual, she gets some fun sensation for as long as you're able to go along with it, and she can completely cut off your air.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/26/2015 9:52:36 AM   
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If you're going to play to the point of passing out it's good to learn about blood chokes, instead of trying to do it by restricting air. Neither are really safe but the former is a bit more so, because with those you can actually still breath (Master does it to me from time to time, we learned it during a weekend rough body play intensive). Another good tip is while she's doing it, have an arm raised and pointing at some object in the room. As soon as you're out that arm is going to drop and she'll know to stop. Sometimes it can be hard to tell when the person is out if you're doing it sitting, laying, or from behind.

Just please do a lot of research and risk assessment before doing it!

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/26/2015 5:30:17 PM   
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A safe way I've done it for a client was to have him lie on the bed. Wrap a pair of tights/hold ups round his neck once and hold either side. So long as you don't tie them round his neck, you can release the pressure instantly. As you'll be over him, you can watch his eyes for any signs of distress. Avoid tying anything round the neck as it takes time to release.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/27/2015 3:44:55 PM   
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If you dont know how safely dont.

Oh and pressure round the neck isnt advised.

There are safer ways of doing it.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/28/2015 11:37:24 AM   
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I dunno ... why don't you go ask David Carradine or Robin Williams their take on breath play then get back to me

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/29/2015 10:28:11 AM   
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I don't believe any breath play to be 100% safe because every single person will react differently. An accidental (playing around) choke hold that lasted no more than a few seconds put me in hospital and yet I've done many similar choke holds on willing partners without a problem.

A cupped hand over the mouth (always face the recipient) with the palm side of the little finger up against the nostrils. Ask the recipient to touch your hand when its getting too much. Lift the palm just long enough for them take in a big gasp of air and resume play.

Another is with your mouth over their mouth whilst pinching their nose. Breath for them. You of course will be breathing in air through your nostrils but they are breathing a smaller and smaller amount of oxygen with each breath. This will make the recipient light headed very quickly.

Face sitting is great fun especially if you make a little game out of it...Timing how long they can pleasure you without air is a good one. With this type of play you can grip their head with your thighs to ensure they can't move but I would avoid tying them down unless you've been doing this for a while with the same recipient. This kind of breath play often makes the bottom panic and so when they tap you on the leg, lift your weight, even if its only for a couple of seconds and let them breath in air. When I face sit someone for the first few times I always hold my own breath. When it starts getting uncomfortable for me then I know its getting uncomfortable for the person under me.

Since my incident I'm much more wary about doing choke holds. I used to believe I was a very safe player but doing choke holds now makes me nervous. That's not to say we shouldn't do them but we must always keep in mind that when breath play goes wrong it can do so in an instant and unless your a trained medic with the correct equipment within reach, you may put the recipient in grave danger.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/29/2015 10:39:41 AM   
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quote:

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I don't believe any breath play to be 100% safe because every single person will react differently. An accidental (playing around) choke hold that lasted no more than a few seconds put me in hospital and yet I've done many similar choke holds on willing partners without a problem.

A cupped hand over the mouth (always face the recipient) with the palm side of the little finger up against the nostrils. Ask the recipient to touch your hand when its getting too much. Lift the palm just long enough for them take in a big gasp of air and resume play.

Another is with your mouth over their mouth whilst pinching their nose. Breath for them. You of course will be breathing in air through your nostrils but they are breathing a smaller and smaller amount of oxygen with each breath. This will make the recipient light headed very quickly.

Face sitting is great fun especially if you make a little game out of it...Timing how long they can pleasure you without air is a good one. With this type of play you can grip their head with your thighs to ensure they can't move but I would avoid tying them down unless you've been doing this for a while with the same recipient. This kind of breath play often makes the bottom panic and so when they tap you on the leg, lift your weight, even if its only for a couple of seconds and let them breath in air. When I face sit someone for the first few times I always hold my own breath. When it starts getting uncomfortable for me then I know its getting uncomfortable for the person under me.

Since my incident I'm much more wary about doing choke holds. I used to believe I was a very safe player but doing choke holds now makes me nervous. That's not to say we shouldn't do them but we must always keep in mind that when breath play goes wrong it can do so in an instant and unless your a trained medic with the correct equipment within reach, you may put the recipient in grave danger.


I totally agree with this. A sub was more than willing to be choked until he passed out. Meaning "how much further can I push the envelope beyond that?" Sounds like a "no go" for me personally. It scares me when someone wants to START with that level of edge play. He claims his proDomme did it but turned him away as a client because she was scared of something serious occuring and I wonder if a ProDomme would even engage in this sort of play regardless of how much he paid. Jeopardizing her livelihood for one client seems unlikely. Would suck if some newbie decided to go for it but last I heard from him someone lost her earring while engaging him and he refused to compensate her for it. I consider that bullet dodged.
I like doing Breath Play with hand over mouth or kinbaku. I can tie the rope to other ligaments and around the throat in such a way that a slight tug or wriggle would cause asphyxiation. I like having the sub in my line of view at all times. Hand over mouth is easy, once they open their mouth gasping then they need more air. I have a firm grab usually so it takes a bit of strength from them to pry their mouths open, seems to work fine.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/29/2015 2:07:36 PM   
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I have one piece of advice: BE VERY FUCKING CAREFUL!

I accidentally reversed my hold one time and the girl fell in my arms from passing out in about 4 seconds. She thought it was the greatest thing ever; it scared me half to death.

Read, study, and then read and study some more. Never do it with a blindfold - you need to be able to see the ocular capillaries. Brush up on your biology texts.

And then don't engage in breathplay. I do it but that's because I'm insane.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/29/2015 2:50:13 PM   
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Since I am not a hypocrite, I will not say anything about the many reasons NOT to do breath play (although, remember there is a difference between "breath play" and "erotic asphyxiation"...well, at least there are lighter forms of "breath play" than asphyxiation)...

I will hang my head and say...yes I find it hot to be choked... That said, I only do any type of BP with one person because I trust him (despite his own admission of insanity). I will say that the HOTTEST breath play experience I have had was him unexpectedly grabbing my head and holding it under water. Not as dangerous, but definitely HOT!!

Here is an excerpt from an article on the topic..She gives some good advice. Nothing medical but stuff to think about

"Breath Play: How To Do It Without Leaving A Corpse Behind
December 20, 2012 by 0thisslavegirl0

For the Top:

THIS IS EDGE PLAY! You better know what you are doing before you get into this. Stopping when the sub starts to lose consciousness is NOT the way to go. Losing consciousness is very near the end game (cardiac arrest/death). Cardiac arrest may happen BEFORE loss of consciousness… it just is not a dependable warning sign at all.
You want to risk it anyway, ok. The best advice is to restrict breath just long enough to make your point. Do not wait for the eyes to glaze over, do not wait for desperate, struggling gasps. MAKE SURE your hands/fingers are positioned to be able to feel that pulse. A speeding up or slowing down pulse are both signs you’ve already gone too far and need to stop NOW.
NEVER APPLY SERIOUS PRESSURE TO THE FRONT. A little “my hand is at your throat” touching is fine, but there are so many FRAGILE structures n the front of the throat that you just do not want to harm.
While there is a certain appeal to having your hands around her throat, there’s really no safe way to do it. There is a nerve in the throat that can stop the heart BAM just like that (the vargus nerve, a target in some martial arts) There is NO WAY to ensure you avoid it if your hands are on the throat ANYWHERE. Its always a risk, not just to the sub, but to the Dom. If you can’t bring her back, no amount of signed contracts are going to help either of you. Any contact with the throat should be a “suggestive” move, one that shows what you COULD do if you wanted.
So if actual choking is out, whats left? AIR FLOW RESTRICTION. Cover the mouth and nose with one hand, keeping that other hand free to check the pulse in the neck (you can LIGHTLY hold your second hand around the neck while monitoring the pulse…EXCELLENT TECHNIQUE) This is still EDGE PLAY, you can certainly still take it too far, but at least that darn nerve is not involved, and you are not rushing things by stopping blood flow (slower IS better, don’t you agree?)
DO NOT cover the mouth and nose with anything (pillow, blanket, etc) that prevents you from monitoring the face, eyes, expression, and pulse of your sub. NO BREATH PLAY WITH BLINDFOLDS OR HOODS. You simply MUST be able to monitor. A gas mask may be fine, as long as monitoring is possible.
KNOW CPR. Anything less is irresponsible.

For the bottom:

You may feel helpless, but there are things you can do to help your Top not kill you. TAKE PART, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. Even a slave in a TPE relationship can do these things.
Keep your eyes open and in contact with your Top. Besides being hot, this may be the only window to whats going on with you He has.
If you have a free arm or hand, raise it or grab Him, so that if you do start to lose it, your dropped arm or released hand will give Him a clue.
Consider that collapsing is a sign to your Top that its past time to stop. This means that you must not overly relax or melt into a puddle of submissive goo early on, or else at best the play will stop too soon, or at worst, He will learn to ignore it completely. Stay upright, stay in the moment. This is NOT the time to dive into subspace.
Don’t try to hold your breath. Its instinctive and helpful when someone is REALLY trying to kill you, but its counterproductive when playing. The sounds you make and the difficulty you have while trying to breath tells your Top just where you are in the scene. This is critical information, DO NOT WITHHOLD IT.
Don’t fight it. If you’ve already consented (and thats the only way this should be happening) there’s just no reason to fight. If you want to be over taken and forced into something while struggling, this is not the one to do it in. Fighting Him off can interfere with the delicate balance of power and safety His is already contending with. DO NOT MAKE IT HARDER.

KNOW CPR. Anything less is irresponsible. Yeah, I know, you can’t perform CPR on yourself. But if He needs to be able to revive you, shouldn’t you be able to return the favor?
Having said all this, tsg knows that some will go for the choke hold anyway. Why? It’s freaking hot, it’s TPE maxed out, it’s “natural” if that word can apply here. If you must, then avoid the front of the throat, locate that blood vessel on the side of the neck with the strong pulse, and apply s l o w pressure. Keep it short, to the point, a few seconds. Never longer than an average person could hold their breath. A slow squeeze, release, and a deep, in control look will convey all the meaning you need.

Not enough? Really want her to pass out? You owe it to her to thoroughly research the risks and understand the consequences. She really is trusting you with her very life; don’t let her down."

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 3/30/2015 3:28:20 AM   
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Great link TieMeInKnots...What I would add to that is, have a mobile phone at your side and before you start CPR phone for an ambulance. Although I strongly agree with the author regarding learning and understanding CPR; 10 minutes of manual CPR is exhausting for the giver and regardless of what the films have us believe, CPR is the action that keeps a patient alive until the paramedics arrive. Rarely will someone come round, sit up and appear to be fine but if they do its crucial they are taken straight to hospital because the chances of a sudden heart failure is very high.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 4/4/2015 1:42:56 PM   
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I Just use my hand over the nose and mouth. It's easy to watch their eyes in a safe manner as well as if they seem to be freaking out with out. The nice part about using your hand is it does give the sub a small amount of air to gasp at if they are struggling which is usually a turn on for both parties. If choking I use the thumb on one side of the neck,and fingers on the other side, but I would never hold it until the point of passing out way to much can go wrong when dealing with an artery.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 4/5/2015 3:38:00 PM   
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quote:

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OK, we are toying a bit with breath play but really are considering taking it to the limit (yet without me becoming a corpse). How does one safely bring someone to passing out? Any good links with safety tips?

Anyone here have any advice for new practitioners of breath play?


Yep. Don't.
But if you do, just use the hand over the mouth unless you really know what you are doing.
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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 4/5/2015 4:23:32 PM   
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I echo everyone else.

This is a big kink of mine. We've had to stop because of a thyroid nodule- which basically "burst" giving me a fluid filled nodule and a huge goiter. That was likely caused by "trauma to the neck"- which could be either a car accident I was in, or, you guessed it, breath play.

We weren't safe- it was stupid.
now its just hand over mouth and nose.

I would be lying if I said it was the exact same effect- but its the most I'm willing to do anymore- despite being really into this at one point.

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 4/9/2015 9:24:09 AM   
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With choking, it's all about pressure to the sides of the neck (it's about blood flow not breathing). Trying to choke the larynx does nothing brainwise; it takes minutes to asphyxiate someone, and it's almost impossible to actually get a sufficient hold without cutting off blood flow anyway. One is just causing undue pain by putting pressure on the front of the throat (I have a small goiter from Hashimoto's so it's really really painful for me). If you have a perfect chokehold on someone, it takes six seconds to make them pass out (even people trying don't generally get perfect holds). If you make someone pass out, there's always a tiny chance they won't wake up. If you stop someone's heart, there's actually a better chance than not you won't be able to revive them even if you're really "good" at cpr. Even with play that is done perfectly "safe," there's always these risks. Chances of this stuff happening are very small but results are very grave.

That said I have nothing against breath play; I like it a lot actually ^.^ and the rare times I've topped I've done it too (I've done a lot of judo/grappling so I'm not a stranger to choking people without leaving a trail of bodies) :p I just think it's worth noting the risks. When I did Judo, I heard stories of older people who went to "old school" dojo's who took every practice hold to passing out, and apparently they didn't have people dropping dead left and right. Then again I'd also hear stories of Friday night fight days where they'd get into dumpsters with broken glass and fight it out.... I take stories about "the good old days" with a grain of salt.

I don't have any experience with actual "breath" play; Covering people's nose/mouth or using a bag. I don't have anything against it either; just no one ever wanted to do it to me for significant periods of time (or ever for the bag thing) :p

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 4/12/2015 8:06:24 AM   
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Never actually choke them around their throat... there are a dozen ways to fuck up and kill them if you do. You have to squeeze so hard to cut off their air, you can break the hyoid bone resulting in death. If you don't manage to kill them, you will manage to pop some of the veins in their eyes.



Edge play
Bypassing all the crazy shit listed below, you can always just cover their mouth and nose. Do not really asphyxiate them and make them pass out but you can push them to the edge where they gasp and struggle to take one or two breaths before you let up.

Over Edge play
Pu your hand above the hyoid bone (the adam’s apple), just under the jaw and press lightly upwards. Straight upwards. They will feel like they are choking and it restricts their airway. If you hold their mouth shut, it is very effective.

Way Over The Edge play
If you want to make them pass out, while simulating choking as above, slip your thumb and ring finger over the 2 arteries in their neck. Press down lightly, just enough to restrict the veins and they will get dizzy and start feeling the effects of hypoxia in 10 to 20 seconds. Cerebral hypoxia is dangerous. Always start a countdown in your mind when you do this. Do research and set a safe limit, like 20 or 30 seconds. I had a hypoxia fan as partner. Her eyes would roll back and she would drop limp very quickly. This was 10 years ago so I don't remember the count . . . do the research. Here is a lick to tons of how to and safety guides. LINK

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 4/13/2015 3:59:39 PM   
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When it comes to breath play, I would only do that with someone I trust and someone who know's what they are doing. There can't be too much room for mistakes with this particular fetish. I love facesitting, my favorite fetish. I know I have to be careful with who I do this with. I won't just let any Lady sit on my face

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 4/18/2015 9:44:21 PM   
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I'm glad this isn't my fetish!

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RE: Any advice on breathplay? - 4/18/2015 10:48:52 PM   
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I am an edge player and breath play is scary to me. Have only let 2 people even start to go there. And it's not bc I'm afraid of dying. It's a stroke or brain damage that scares me. Or being responsible for someone I like going to prison for manslaughter.

I highly suggest you don't get all your know how from reading advice on a forum even if it is all great advice. Attend a workshop. Actually learn in person from someone experienced. Have them demonstrate while you watch and learn.

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