crazyml
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Whoosh. Right over your head.
Why should discrimination be ok, if it is on religious grounds but not any other?
Is it ok to enshrine nasty backward values in a religion and then seek protection for them?
No it didn't even go over my feet. I got your point completely. What you refuse to understand is that if you force someone to violate their religious beliefs you are discriminating against them. This law does not allow for refusing to serve any gays or what ever, it allows for them to refuse a specific act which violates their religion, like demanding that the Kosher deli provide a ham sandwich.
So which specific act of baking a wedding cake, or creating a floral arrangement violates anyone's religion? There is nothing asked of business owners that they are not already in business to do.
Have you read previous posts? Your question has been answered several ways.
Since you haven't actually answered any of my questions directly I'm not at all sure how you might draw this conclusionquote:
A former practicing Catholic pointed out that with his church's doctrine participating in any wedding that was not performed by a Priest was a sin.
The catholic church has many doctrines that are stupid and offensive. Which makes the people that hold them stupid and offensive.
Many churches have come to understand that their old dogma is out of date. For example, the Anglican church has realised that discriminating against people on the grounds of gender is wrong. It isn't that hard for people to recognise that their dogma is stupid and wrong.
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Whether you like it or not all of the things you mentioned would be participating.
I disagree, all of the things I mentioned would be providing a service without discriminating against the person requesting the service.
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If your church believes that gay marriage is a sin it would violate it. Would you force a gay florist to set up an arraignment at Westboro church?
If a gay florist refused to transact business with someone on the basis of their religious beliefs, I would certainly regard that as wrongful discrimination.
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How about demanding that the Kosher deli cater ham and pork chops?
This is a nonsense, specious, point - that has been put to bed already on this thread. Since you're so keen to ask me whether I've read the thread, I think I can expect the same from you.
Not a single opponent of discrimination on the basis of race, gender, sexuality, or religious belief has argues that kosher deli's should be obliged to serve ham.
The argument is that a kosher deli should not be allowed to deny service to people that might buy ham from somewhere else.
So... if a florist were asked to create a 6 foot arrangement for a gay funeral depicting a cock entering an anus, they would be perfectly entitled to say no, on the grounds that making that arrangement would offend their sensibilities.
But if they were happy to do the same arrangement for a straight white man, it would be discrimination.
Do you understand now?
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