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Just out of curiosity, you don't think a request for the traditional figures on the top of cake to be two "grooms" or two 'brides" would be a clue?

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Lets see, do you think it is worse for the owner of the business to decide, or the government.

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The business has been shut down by death threats and threats of burning the place down, how open minded.

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That hints at a simple workaround (though one that evades the central principle) - get them to make the cake; you put your own figures on the top of it.

You would think...

Denver baker sued for refusing to write anti-gay slogans on cake

According to Ms. Silva, Jack pulled out a piece of paper with the phrase “God hates gays” and anti-gay passages he said were from the Bible. Silva also said that Jack wanted her to draw two men holding hands with an “X” crossing them out. "After I read it, I was like 'No way.' " Silva told USA Today. " ‘We're not doing this. This is just very discriminatory and hateful.’ ”

Instead, Silva said she told Jack that she would make a cake with a blank Bible page so that he could draw the messages himself. She even claims she offered him frosting and a pastry bag to do so. "I told him, ‘I’ll make you a cake any flavor and shape that you like and then I’ll give you the icing and you can write the message yourself,’” Silva told the Daily News...

Jack refused, and asserts that the bakery discriminated against him based on his religious beliefs.

Jack has filed a complaint with the Civil Rights division of the Department of Regulatory Agencies. The bakery is now under investigation for religious discrimination, and if the agency feels discriminatory acts were committed, the case could move forward to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. A decision on the case will not be made for several months.

File category: "RFRA Follies"

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Some guy orders a wedding cake. Does the baker have a right to interrogate the customer on how the customer plans on using the cake? NO. None of their fucking business! An contracted to deliver the cake on a certain date at a certain place before a certain time. Unless that baker is moon lighting as a private investigator; what business is it to them, whom the cake is for?

Just out of curiosity, you don't think a request for the traditional figures on the top of cake to be two "grooms" or two 'brides" would be a clue?

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But lets torpedo your argument one more time (because this is fun). How does the pseudo-Christian baker know that the money they are holding....didn't....come from a gay wedding, but given to them by a heterosexual guy whom fixes cars, whom got the money from another heterosexual guy whom sells health insurance, whom got it from a gay couple looking to make long term plans?

Just out of curiosity, what bearing does who is paying for the cake have on the objection to contributing to the celebration of a gay marriage?

K.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Just out of curiosity, you don't think a request for the traditional figures on the top of cake to be two "grooms" or two 'brides" would be a clue?

That hints at a simple workaround (though one that evades the central principle) - get them to make the cake; you put your own figures on the top of it. I guess you make a point to the relevant cake maker by sending them photos of their cake being cut at the wedding.

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Well I don't know about you but I would rather not have to work around getting the cake I want. Much easier to know up front there won't be a problem and go in being honest. If the baker has a problem then I would much rather go somewhere else than try to trick him into baking me one. Why would I want to force my money on someone who feels that way about my lifestyle? There are too many out there who would welcome the business.

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Because you assume christian = hates homosexuality in all forms. News flash for you....there are many good Christians that have no problems with gay people. In fact, they are siding with gay people in this issue with Indiana's Republicans. That law brings more pain and suffering where none is needed!

There is more I could say, but its just brutally honest. So I'm refraining from speaking such things.

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Some guy orders a wedding cake. Does the baker have a right to interrogate the customer on how the customer plans on using the cake? NO. None of their fucking business! An contracted to deliver the cake on a certain date at a certain place before a certain time. Unless that baker is moon lighting as a private investigator; what business is it to them, whom the cake is for?

Just out of curiosity, you don't think a request for the traditional figures on the top of cake to be two "grooms" or two 'brides" would be a clue?

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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But lets torpedo your argument one more time (because this is fun). How does the pseudo-Christian baker know that the money they are holding....didn't....come from a gay wedding, but given to them by a heterosexual guy whom fixes cars, whom got the money from another heterosexual guy whom sells health insurance, whom got it from a gay couple looking to make long term plans?

Just out of curiosity, what bearing does who is paying for the cake have on the objection to contributing to the celebration of a gay marriage?

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Because you assume christian = hates homosexuality in all forms. News flash for you....there are many good Christians that have no problems with gay people. In fact, they are siding with gay people in this issue with Indiana's Republicans. That law brings more pain and suffering where none is needed!

There is more I could say, but its just brutally honest. So I'm refraining from speaking such things.

That's right joether, when a wall of text doesn't convince them, tell a few lies. Perhaps someone will wander in who hasn't read past threads and actually believe your bullshit. Of course it won't take them long to understand you just like to lie about people. But until then you might have a few fans.

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Just out of curiosity, you don't think a request for the traditional figures on the top of cake to be two "grooms" or two 'brides" would be a clue?

That hints at a simple workaround (though one that evades the central principle) - get them to make the cake; you put your own figures on the top of it. I guess you make a point to the relevant cake maker by sending them photos of their cake being cut at the wedding.

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someone on the five pointed that out today...eric bolling maybe. he also said NY governor Cuomo has forbidden all non-essential state governmental travel to Indiana---but then is himself going to cuba soon. figure that one out...

To me the boycott is one of the saddest things about all this. The people it is going to hurt the most didn't have anything to do with it. I guess we are not supposed to care about the gay business owners there.

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I'm getting sick of this boycott crap. I'm going to boycott CA and NY that'll show 'em. Taken to its logical conclusion, everyone could boycott something to the point that everything and every place is being boycotted by someone.

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I'm getting sick of this boycott crap. I'm going to boycott CA and NY that'll show 'em. Taken to its logical conclusion, everyone could boycott something to the point that everything and every place is being boycotted by someone.

Shoot, I've been avoiding anything New York or California for almost a decade now.
Too much craziness there. New York even had to import a crook from Arkansas to fill their Senate seat. <grin>

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I'm getting sick of this boycott crap. I'm going to boycott CA and NY that'll show 'em. Taken to its logical conclusion, everyone could boycott something to the point that everything and every place is being boycotted by someone.

Shoot, I've been avoiding anything New York or California for almost a decade now.
Too much craziness there. New York even had to import a crook from Arkansas to fill their Senate seat. <grin>

Actually, Arkansas was just a "stop-over" for her. She's originally from Chicago; part of that long-standing tradition of "proper" politics.



Michael

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

That hints at a simple workaround (though one that evades the central principle) - get them to make the cake; you put your own figures on the top of it.

You would think...

Denver baker sued for refusing to write anti-gay slogans on cake

According to Ms. Silva, Jack pulled out a piece of paper with the phrase “God hates gays” and anti-gay passages he said were from the Bible. Silva also said that Jack wanted her to draw two men holding hands with an “X” crossing them out. "After I read it, I was like 'No way.' " Silva told USA Today. " ‘We're not doing this. This is just very discriminatory and hateful.’ ”

Instead, Silva said she told Jack that she would make a cake with a blank Bible page so that he could draw the messages himself. She even claims she offered him frosting and a pastry bag to do so. "I told him, ‘I’ll make you a cake any flavor and shape that you like and then I’ll give you the icing and you can write the message yourself,’” Silva told the Daily News...

Jack refused, and asserts that the bakery discriminated against him based on his religious beliefs.

Jack has filed a complaint with the Civil Rights division of the Department of Regulatory Agencies. The bakery is now under investigation for religious discrimination, and if the agency feels discriminatory acts were committed, the case could move forward to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. A decision on the case will not be made for several months.

File category: "RFRA Follies"

K.

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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Indiana's Republican legislative leaders have unveiled changes to the state's new religious objections law that has faced criticism it could allow discrimination against lesbians and gays.

The amendment to the Religious Freedom Restoration Act released Thursday prohibits service providers from using the law as a legal defense for refusing to provide services, goods, facilities or accommodations. It also bars discrimination based on race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or United States military service.

A conference committee must discuss the proposed changes to the law, and both the House and the Senate will need to approve them before they can go to Gov. Mike Pence.

Pence called for changes to clarify the law Tuesday in response to an uproar fueled by discrimination concerns.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

That hints at a simple workaround (though one that evades the central principle) - get them to make the cake; you put your own figures on the top of it.

You would think...

Denver baker sued for refusing to write anti-gay slogans on cake

According to Ms. Silva, Jack pulled out a piece of paper with the phrase “God hates gays” and anti-gay passages he said were from the Bible. Silva also said that Jack wanted her to draw two men holding hands with an “X” crossing them out. "After I read it, I was like 'No way.' " Silva told USA Today. " ‘We're not doing this. This is just very discriminatory and hateful.’ ”

Instead, Silva said she told Jack that she would make a cake with a blank Bible page so that he could draw the messages himself. She even claims she offered him frosting and a pastry bag to do so. "I told him, ‘I’ll make you a cake any flavor and shape that you like and then I’ll give you the icing and you can write the message yourself,’” Silva told the Daily News...

Jack refused, and asserts that the bakery discriminated against him based on his religious beliefs.

Jack has filed a complaint with the Civil Rights division of the Department of Regulatory Agencies. The bakery is now under investigation for religious discrimination, and if the agency feels discriminatory acts were committed, the case could move forward to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission. A decision on the case will not be made for several months.

File category: "RFRA Follies"

K.

Would the baker under indiana law be protected?