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CreativeDominant -> RE: Zero Tollerance in School (3/29/2015 9:48:11 PM)
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant
Can't wait to hear your thoughts on these, joether:
I suspected this was just a cut/paste job in which you didn't bother to CHECK THE FACTS before creating the post. Not only that, you, nor the author your cut/paste job originates from, took any effort or time to RESEARCH THE FACTS. Then challenge me to to explain things you failed to research.
Hopefully next time you will put the effort in and CHECK THE INFORMATION before hand. Since it seems in each case, there was more going on than the cut/paste author was expressing.
Minor editing of your post in regards to how the original document you cut/paste from was formatted. An example found through the post was '’' in different places. This stuff was removed to make sentence structure readable. All other text was left untouched. Not that you would complain since its not your work....
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1. January 1, 2015
A 13-year-old boy at Weaverville Elementary School in California shared his school lunch (a chicken burrito) with a hungry friend. For this, he got detention. Superintendent Tom Barnett explained, “Because of safety and liability we cannot allow students to actually exchange meals.â€
Yes, sounds terrible doesn't it? Does the first child know all the allergies of the second? Some kids are deathly allergic to some types of food. Just consuming a brownie with grounded nuts to a child allergic to them could be fatal. The school system has a legal obligation to do the best job practical in protecting the welfare of children under its protection while at school from all dangers.
Also, handing food to be consumed from one person to another without good protocols could spread germs. Which is why most restaurants will have its employees handling food with latex or plastic gloves. Was the hands of the first child washed with soap? I couldn't say for certainty here.
I think two things on this subject:
1 ) That was a real act of kindness on the part of the first child.
2 ) The school wasted a teaching moment, to educated their children on the importance of giving food safety to others.
Why the mother of the child is correct in stating she believes morals and compassion start at home, I disagree with her that it ends there. Since in school, one learns further morals and compassion not easily taught in a home.
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2.A Sunscreen not allowed on field trip ”kids might drink it"
A San Antonio, Texas, school forbid students to bring sunscreen on a field trip. Why? According to spokeswoman Aubrey Chancellor, “We cant allow toxic things to be in our schools. The children, “could possibly have an allergic reaction (or) they could ingest it. Its really a dangerous situation.
First off, the person stating kids might drink it, is the writer of this cut/paste job, NOT, the school.
"School district spokeswoman Aubrey Chancellor said allergic reactions to sunscreen are one of the numerous reasons the district does not allow sunblock in its 72 schools.
“We don’t want students sharing sunscreen,” Chancellor said. “If students get it in their eyes or react badly to the sunscreen it can be quite serious.”
Chancellor said the district treats sunscreen like a medicine and that children need a doctor’s note to have it at school.
“If there are extenuating circumstances,” she said, “students are welcome to keep sunscreen in the nurse’s office and go there to reapply.
District officials review school policies yearly, and spokeswoman Chancellor said there is a chance they will revise their ban on sunscreen. Until then, students will have to come lathered in sunscreen and will not be allowed to reapply unless they have a doctor’s note."
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The parent's father died of skin cancer. Make of that what you will.
Does sound like this school system has taken the proper viewpoints and there seems to be a system in place to make corrections each year. Its up to the parents to go to the school committee meetings and voice in argument that a policy is not to their liking.
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3.A Kindergarten cancels its year-end show to allow more time for college prep
A letter home from the Harley Avenue Primary School in Elwood, New York, read, in part: “The reason for eliminating the Kindergarten show is simple. We are responsible for preparing children for college and career with valuable lifelong skills and know that we can best do that by having them become strong readers, writers, coworkers and problem solvers.”
Funny how your cut/paste job's author doesn't explain facts. Since leaving the facts out to project that 'all schools are tyrannical bastards' serves her political beliefs.
I have to ask: Where the parents of these children in a total coma during the winter months that school was in session? That school district in that year received ALOT of snow. No one likes school vacation being pushed back into summer, particularly not the children! The school made a decision to cancel the show rather than extend the school period one or more extra days.
Was it a good idea? Debatable. Where the alternatives better? Debatable as well.
But the author of the cut/paste job you have here is being intectually dishonest or ignorant of the facts.
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4.A Teacher suspended on weapons charge for demonstrating carpentry tools
A second grade teacher at Chicago’s Washington Irving Elementary School was suspended for four days without pay for bringing screwdrivers, wrenches and other shop tools to class, and demonstrating how to use them. These are dangerous items.
Sounds like the teacher had good intentions, but did not run the issue by his management before the class. The class itself was mathematics. The class discussion was using various tools. The teacher showed a number of tools like pliers, screw drivers and even a box cutter and explained how many different professionals might use them. Sounds look a good thing, right?
Well, the school system has a policy on weapons. All those objects could be used as weapons. Silly isn't? Well, The School won their viewpoint in court.
Curious your cut/paste job author neglected to leave the part out that the teacher in question had previous disciplinary issues. There is a difference between a journalist and a hack. The first reports the facts and information; the other leaves things out that do not support their political viewpoint.
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5.A School bus driver loses job for keeping kids warm when bus breaks down
This one’s in Canada! On a day when the windchill dipped to -34 Fahrenehit, school bus driver Kendra Lindon’s bus broke down. Knowing it could take a long time for a replacement to arrive ”and that kids would be waiting outside till it did ”she picked up the few children on her route (including her son) in her SUV. A neighbor noticed two kids sitting in the cargo hold without seat belts and called the bus company. She was promptly fired.
There seems to be a few different things on this one.
The company policy forbids a driver from using a personal vehicle for public use, since their insurance does not cover it. However, the employee was never made aware of this before taking the action. Further if the driver was moving in the vehicle with children not in seat belts, and doing so is normally against the law; this action would ALSO be against the law. Bus companies typically do not hire or keep employ those who violate road laws.
The bus driver also failed to have some faith in her own company. Did she contact her company to notify them of the bus's status at the time? Unknown. While she left the bus to get her SUV, those kids were left unsupervised. That by itself is a policy set down by the bus company's client: the school district itself!
Does she deserve being fired? Probably not. Given a verbal or written letter, yes. After six months or so, the issue could be subtly removed from her permanent record. After the 'heat' of the issue has cooled off. Ironically speaking.....
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6.A 79-year-old substitute teacher fired for having student-friends on Facebook
Carol Thebarge was a substitute teacher at Stevens High School in a Claremont, New Hampshire, for nine years and was friends with about 250 current students on Facebook. She was told to unfriend them or lose her job. She chose to lose her job. Superintendent Middleton McGoodwin told the press, “She's loved by many, but that doesn't give you allowance to ignore a protocol designed to protect all.
The policy in place was to prevent boundaries from being crossed. Facebook is known for anything and everything showing up on the feed. If a friend of Mrs. Thebarge showed sexual or kinky pictures (or implies) and Mrs. Thebarge's setting were not set correctly, she could be showing those 250 UNDERAGE students the basics of pornography. Granted I'm sure those students have seen plenty of it by now, with a simple web search from home. There is a level of professional quality to be maintain, particularly in social media as it relates between an adult teacher and underage students.
The school told her the policy and why this was not allowed. Explained what would happen if she did not follow through with this action.
Would you want a public school teacher (from K to 12) showing underage students sexual pictures? Like the ones that show up typically on the 'Browse Photos' tab two below the 'Home' on Collarspace.com? Or of material that is pushing a political position you are at odds with?
There is a reason why there are policies like this in play right now across the nation. Its not because school districts behave like assholes, its to protect their ass, and the town's ass from one or more lawsuits.
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7.A Student suspended for slicing apple with knife during health food demonstration
Da’von Shaw, a Bedford, Ohio, high school student, brought apples and craisins to school for a “healthy eating” presentation. When he took out a knife to slice an apple, his teacher told him he was not allowed to use it. He immediately handed it over to her. Case closed? Nope. Later that day he was suspended for a week because he brought a weapon to school.
His presentation was for a Speech Class (i.e. Public Speaking). That I agree with the Author Here, that the teacher could have used that moment as a teaching moment. To explain to his/her students that checking limits and policy at a venue could save them some grief and problems. Even big time music celebrities have to follow laws during their presentations. Likewise, those giving political speeches are charged if they incite a riot.
The student brought a knife onto campus. Granted the knife was to be ONLY for the presentation and ONLY to cut apples. Could the knife have been used later in the day to attack someone? Maybe. Not saying there was a criminal motive on the part of the student for his decisions on how to make a presentation. School districts have policies regarding weapons being brought into a class room. Even bringing in a musket from the Concord Minute Men (on display from one of the Boston Museums) required the teacher in my school to run through a huge number of hoops. He even explained he agreed with the rules and explained why they are there in the first place.
The punishment, fits the policy. The policy is set in place under a number of factors based on society and laws. Being ignorant of a law is not enough of an excuse to disobey it. Yeah, the kid had good intentions with the knife, and most likely was not going to use it to hurt anyone.
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8.A School goes on lockdown when mom fails to sign-in
The mother of a special needs child in Walnut Grove, Missouri, raced to school when she got a “frantic” call from her kid’s teacher. After she was buzzed into the building, she ran straight to his room, thereby committing the cardinal sin of not signing in. The school went into lockdown. Cops arrived and took the mom to the police station, where she was charged with trespassing.
What was the teacher panicking about? Did your cut/paste author do her homework? Or just assume a pile of bullshit to push a political viewpoint?
Let's look at the facts:
"Niakea Williams said she was rushing to console her young son, who has Asperger's syndrome, after receiving a "frantic" phone call from a teacher who said the boy was "panicking," St. Louis outlet KMOV reports."
Yes, understandable that the mother might ignore the 'sign in process' not knowing what the issue is. Usually, a teacher would contact (according to most school policies) the school nurse and/or principal who has authority to contact the police and/or paramedics. Was this done? Unknown.
So why the lockdown?
“Having any unauthorized person in the school or a person who is disrupting that process, that immediately triggers a lockdown … Someone who isn’t following that presents a safety risk so we follow our rules and procedures."
For all anyone knew, this adult could have been creating an 'active shooter' incident.
So leads to the next question: Did she forget to sign in? Or refuse to sign in? If the first is correct, than it could be understandable to which she could make a formal apology and beg forgiveness in a court of law. If she refused, then she is guilty as charged!
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9.A Girl in wet bathing suit forced to stand outside… in February… in Minnesota… due to school policy
After the fire alarm went off in Como Park High School in St. Paul, Minnesota, everyone evacuated, including Kayona Hagen-Tietza, 14, who had been swimming in the gym pool and didn’t have time to change. School policy forbids teachers from having students in the car, so she stood outside, barefoot, for 10 minutes in 5-degree weather until a teacher obtained “permission” to let her sit in her car just this once.
This one took some searching. Since the initial string came up with conservative sites, anti-non-white oriented sites, and blogs.
Let's start with the facts...
The school's name is Como Park Senior High School.
The reason for the fire alarm? A science experiment apparently didn't go as planned. Did the cut/paste author explain this? No? WHY NOT?
Likewise, this was a no-win situation for the adults around this young lady. Damned either way!
Option 1: drag her outside in the freezing cold weather with only a wet bathing suit.
Option 2: dry her off and put on some cloths, meanwhile, leaving students unattended during an actual alarm (not just a fire drill).
Because Option 2 didn't take place, we are hearing about Option 1. If Option 2 did take place, would we have even known some girl didn't get out with her classmates because some adult took it upon themselves to dry and cloth her?
Yeah, the answer to that second question is 'No'. We would be hearing that some students are left unattended by adults during a real alarm.
Either way, those adults would be penalized and/or fired. Even though they were following school policy to the letter.
Finally, what usually happens....DURING....a fire alarm from a town or district wide school system? These vehicles called 'Fire Trucks', 'Police Cruisers' and 'Ambulances' usually show up. And what do all of them have? 'Fire Fighters', 'Police Officers' and 'Paramedics'. What do all three have in common that could aid this girl in dire need of warmth? 'Blankets' and 'Warm Vehicles'.
Regardless of school policy, if one of those three types of individuals believe a child's safety in endangered can counterman the policy and take what steps them deem necessary to protect the child. And they usually show up FUCKING ASS FAST, when there is an actual danger.
Why wasn't any of this in that cut/paste author's dialogue of viewpoints? Because that person is pushing a political agenda....NOT....pushing the facts!
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10.A Student suspended for twirling pencil, subjected to five-hour evaluation
Ean Chaplithn, 13, was twirling his pencil, which made the child sitting behind him feel “threatened or uncomfortable.” That’s all it took for the Vernon, New Jersey, school to send Chaplin for a 5-hour physical and psych evaluation. His urine was tested and blood drawn. We never know what's percolating in the mind of children, okay?” the superintendent, Charles Maranzano, said. “When they demonstrate behaviors that raise red flags, we must do our duty.
And a very Happy New Year to everyone who goes to school, works at a school, or is suspended from school for a sandwich swap, monkey wrench, or pencil twirl!
This piece originally appeared on Reason.com.
Let's start with "it appeared on Reason.com". Here is your first clue of the author's motivation in pushing a political agenda. Since in the nine examples above, I've clearly shown the person didnt bother getting all the facts to inform her public.
Next, the kid's name is Ethan Chaplin, Not Ean Chaplithn. If your going to bash school systems, try to learn to get people's names correct......
Third, while This Source states some child sitting behind the accused as stating ""He's making gun motions, send him to juvie.", this statement came from the father as seen in the video the cut/paste author CreativeDominant is using (proving a broken clock is correct at least once a day, if not twice). I can't confirm if any students actually stated this.
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"Vernon Schools Superintendent Charles Maranzano told HuffPost he couldn't discuss the specific incident because of privacy laws, but he did say "no school in the state of New Jersey or nationally would leap to a school suspension for twirling a pencil. That's not what the basis of our actions are."
Yes, surprise surprise, schools have to follow strict laws that most individuals don't.
Fifth, the student in question was not suspended, but allowed to return once the proper evaluations were performed. Since schools have become more sensitive to students lashing out with behavior problems given a number of school shootings. Do schools not have a responsibility to protect all students under their charge? To cover their legal butts like anyone else if put in the same situation?
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This one shows up on many of the conservative conspiracy blogs for the following:
"The child was stripped, had to give blood samples (which caused him to pass out) and urine samples for of all things drug testing"
His father told the 'truthful', 'honest', and 'completely grade A journalistic quality publication', INFOWARS, that this had happen. I myself would never trust anything from that pseudo-news blog site. The number of times its fuck with the facts would make FOX 'news' executives blush with envy. So which I ask it be proven, step by step.
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How did I know you would agree with the school districts in every case?
1. The Dreaded Cicken Burrito: I have no problem with the role against exchanging meals or giving food to another student. Given food allergies today (although I wonder how I and all of my lunch-exchanging friends made it through school...And I would think a 13 year old would be well-aware of his own food allergies but who knows? Maybe he's been "protected" from that too) and the probability of a suit, the rule makes some sense.
The detention? Absolutely not.
2. Sunscreen...to ingest or not to ingest?
Actually, Joether, the lady who made this statement:
“We have to look at the safety of all of our students and we can’t allow children to share sunscreen,” she told KSAT. “They could possibly have an allergic reaction (or) they could ingest it. It’s really a dangerous situation.” is named Aubrey Chancellor. She is a spokesperson for the North Eastern Independent School District.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/05/mom-claims-daughter-got-sunburned-because-school-wouldnt-allow-her-to-bring-sunscreen-on-field-trip/
As for your statement: its up to the parents to go to the school committee meetings and voice in argument that a policy is not to their liking. Or the school could show a little initiative and let parents know ahead of time that an outing is planned where sunscreen may be needed and that the kids should bring it and a signed permission slip releasing the school from liability. That way, some of the popooreparents you're always crying for wouldn't have to pay for a doctor's visit for a pretty silly reason.
3. Penguin, you did see that the person writing that article said "the letter read, in part... 'In part' means they're not quoting the entire letter.
Here's a summary of the letter: "The school sent out a letter in the beginning of April notifying parents that because of all of the snow days this year, the school was canceling the show and would use the school day for academics. Parents could instead come watch their children at the annual Games Day."
http://abcnews.go.com/News/kindergarten-show-cancelled-so-kids-can-focus-on-college-prep/blogEntry?id=23506608&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
Oddly enough, parents were upset. Their reaction prompted..."Principal Ellen Best-Laimit to send a follow-up letter in which she explained that the youngsters need to focus on preparing for college and their careers."
"The reason for eliminating the Kindergarten show is simple. We are responsible for preparing children for college and career with valuable lifelong skills and know that we can best do that by having them become strong readers, writers, coworkers and problem solvers," she wrote.
http://abcnews.go.com/News/kindergarten-show-cancelled-so-kids-can-focus-on-college-prep/blogEntry?id=23506608&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
Yeah, because God forbid they actually have some fun time in KINDERGARTEN. How in the HELL did I make Sergeant after 2 years in the Army, receive an Army Commendation medal, get into college and then a doctoral program with all those days lost to KINDERGARTEN shows?
Debatable, Joether? Not so much, gown the petition which had gathered 2000 signatures at the time of the news story. For some reason, I'm thinking the schools position did not have that much support. You know who most likely would have been upset Over one more day? Teachers and administrators.
4. Those deadly pliers: So, a teacher was suspended without pay because he used tools as a visual aid. Because tools can be used as a weapon. And the Student Handbook days No weapons in school. Of course, the teacher,.Mr. Bartlett, thought he'd be okay because "...since it is a student handbook, Bartlett reasonably assumed that the definition did not apply to teachers who were using household tools as part of their instructional material."
As for your assertion that this teacher had been in trouble before? I looked. All there is, is the schools statement that he'd violated rules before (yet I couldn't find any record of that) and that he'd negligently supervised the children", even though those 'deadly' tools were in his possession the whole time AND stored on a shelf near the teacher at a height the second-graders couldn't reach.
Here's a question: When I was in school, the school maintenance guy had tools. Does that guy now come in to work only when kids aren't around?
Again, Joether. Overreaction that in this case may cost a teacher his future.
That's the problem in most of these cases, Joether. Which is why I won't go through the other 6. Zero tolerance allows the administrators to do things by rote with no need to critically assess a situation. In addition, zero tolerance makes "Nanny-ists" happy...til it's their kid or cause or ox that gets gored. And it keeps those looking to make money at bay.
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