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KenDckey -> Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 2:18:10 PM)

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_IRAN_NUCLEAR_TALKS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Yes I know that they say they are making progress to allow Iran to build nukes even tho iran says they aren't.

The question I pose is when are we going to stop moving past deadlines without consequences?



mnottertail -> RE: Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 2:21:12 PM)

Who created the deadlines and for what reason? What is the actual urgency here, I don't see it.



KenDckey -> RE: Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 2:28:15 PM)

Does it matter who made it or why? A political deadline was made, it was passed, no consequences. There have been several. Still no consequences.



mnottertail -> RE: Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 2:35:24 PM)

Yeah, it does matter who and why it was made. Jeeze then they should have started on this way back during the first W administration when they knew this was going to happen. Maybe then they could have made these deadlines.

Oh, yeah. Iraq.



slvemike4u -> RE: Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 2:57:33 PM)

Well the stick has always been more sanctions.Is that what you would like to see imposed,or did you have something else in mind ?



edited to add :Question is for the OP [:)]



Politesub53 -> RE: Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 3:40:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: KenDckey

Does it matter who made it or why? A political deadline was made, it was passed, no consequences. There have been several. Still no consequences.


Spoken like a man who knows what he is talking about. No consequences were made prior to this deadline, it has gone past that by one day. Do you suggest we send in the missiles now ?derision



MercTech -> RE: Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 6:27:27 PM)

As to be expected; self important politicians march in and confuse the issue. Don't you love it when politicians bypass regulating agencies to grab the spotlight.

The original issue is Iran not allowing regulatory inspections by the IAEA. Meanwhile; the real work goes on in spite of grandstanding for the cameras.

https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/focus/iran/iaea-and-iran-iaea-reports



MrRodgers -> RE: Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 7:15:30 PM)

2017 I say spring, maybe summer...Israel takes out enrichment. Deal or no deal just as in Iraq and Syria.



MercTech -> RE: Another Deadline passed (3/31/2015 8:04:35 PM)

One of the questions the IAEA wanted answered was whether Iran was enriching by chemical methods for the 4-6% needed for nuclear power plants or were they doing gas chromatography for >75% enrichment to get bomb grade fissile material.

I have to wonder if Iran got their hands on the tons of highly enriched Uranium that France sold to Iraq? We never found it when our troops moved into Iraq and no one seems to have publicly followed up on that. And the articles about Jaque Mitterand and Sadam Huissein from 2002 don't appear in a Google search any more. Oh, well, they must have never existed I suppose.



tweakabelle -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 2:56:08 AM)

Despite the cynical tone of the OP, it seems there are good reasons underlying the talks going past the deadline. Today's Guardian reports:
"Britain’s foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, has said negotiators at the Iran nuclear talks in Switzerland have reached “a broad framework of understanding”, but that details still have to be agreed. Hammond was speaking after the negotiations missed a midnight deadline to produce a preliminary accord on the main issues in dispute in Iran’s nuclear programme. After breaking off in the early hours of the morning, talks among foreign ministers and senior diplomats are due to resume on Wednesday morning.

“I think we have a broad framework of understanding but there are still some key issues that have to be worked through,” the foreign secretary told a group of British broadcasters. Some of them are quite detailed and technical so there is still quite a lot of work to do, but we are on it now and we’ll keep going at it.”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/01/iran-nuclear-negotiators-reach-broad-framework-of-understanding

If this report is accurate, and there is no reason to believe it to be anything other than accurate, then the broad principles of an agreement have been worked out and agreed upon, and there is only some detailed work remaining before a comprehensive agreement can be signed.

This is good news for the world, and is a giant step towards reducing tensions in one of the world's most troubled regions. One serendipitous side effect is that the naysayers and warmongers in Israel and the US Right have been completely wrong footed, and are now isolated voices in the wilderness clamouring for another war in the ME, a war that no one bar those self same warmongers wants.



bounty44 -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 3:23:33 AM)

"warmongers"---do you have any idea how offensive and inane that is? as if Israel and the right wing here in the united states are running around "seeking to bring about war?"

there's a difference between people who are willing to fight for self preservation or liberty, and those who are actively seeking and desire war---because what---they just like death, destruction and killing people?

by all means---let a country who has vowed to wipe Israel off the face of the map ultimately to achieve the ends to do so.

on a more personal note concerning moral consistency---unless you leftists here would not raise a finger to defend yourself if you or your family members were being attacked, you don't have much leg to stand on when you so decry fighting on a larger level.

or maybe you'd all be okay speaking Russian, or german, or even chinese?






KenDckey -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 4:14:38 AM)

Against all enemies foreign sir and domestic



tweakabelle -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 4:20:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

"warmongers"---do you have any idea how offensive and inane that is? as if Israel and the right wing here in the united states are running around "seeking to bring about war?"


The only alternative to a negotiated agreement with Iran is war. So to oppose a negotiated agreement is to implicitly promote war as a solution. If the cap fits wear it. At least be open and honest about what you are doing.

Netanyahoo has been trying to instigate a war with Iran for over 20 years now, with the US doing the fighting and dying on his behalf. If you are dumb enough to want to die for Netanyahoo, that's your problem. Stop making it the world's problem by opposing peace.


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-let a country who has vowed to wipe Israel off the face of the map ultimately to achieve the ends to do so.

This BS claim has been debunked so many times it is not funny yet here you are repeating this BS. Even the Israeli Govt has agreed that Ahmadinajad did not threaten to "wipe Israel of the face of the map" and that he had been mistranslated. Why are you trying to breathe new life into this propaganda?

So false claims of Iran building a nuke when everyone except the Israeli and US right agree that Iran isn't building a nuke, reviving BS claims about false anti-Iranian propaganda and opposing peace when the only alternative is war. Why shouldn't anyone describe any one with a track record like this as a warmonger. Warmongering is exactly what you are doing. If you have a problem with the term, the solution is obvious and easy. Stop warmongering and I'll take great pleasure in no longer describing your advocacy as warmongering.




Kirata -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 5:31:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

The only alternative to a negotiated agreement with Iran is war.

And you're calling other people warmongers? The alternative to negotiating is a return to not negotiating. Were we at war with Iran before the negotiations? Did I miss a memo?
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K.






PeonForHer -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 6:20:04 AM)

quote:

And you're calling other people warmongers? The alternative to negotiating is a return to not negotiating. Were we at war with Iran before the negotiations? Did I miss a memo?


I'm intrigued .... Is that sincerely what you thought Tweak meant, K?



Kirata -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 7:06:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

quote:

And you're calling other people warmongers? The alternative to negotiating is a return to not negotiating. Were we at war with Iran before the negotiations? Did I miss a memo?

I'm intrigued .... Is that sincerely what you thought Tweak meant, K?

I think that branding anyone who disagrees with her a "warmonger" is a good way to precipitate a thread war, and I seriously doubt that she has the requisite superpowers to make either of her claims, namely (1) that the only alternative to negotiations is war, and (2) that the only motivation a person could have for disagreeing with her is that they are a warmonger.

K.



KenDckey -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 7:47:12 AM)

I think she forgot about the old addage Status Quo



slvemike4u -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 8:00:12 AM)

Like those on the right would accept a return to the status quo.
A bullshit claim if I ever heard one,the first thing that happens should negotiations actually fail is a ramping up of sanctions,followed by heavy duty saber rattling.
Or maybe K and Ken forgot this was about Iran marching towards a nuke,there is no staus quo.
Iran's program is either reined in or folks start discussing more militant ways of dealing with it to pretend otherwise is to be intellectually dishonest for the sole purpose(here) of claiming tweak has been caught in a gotcha moment
Bullshit,plain and simple



Kirata -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 8:43:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Like those on the right would accept a return to the status quo.
A bullshit claim if I ever heard one,the first thing that happens should negotiations actually fail is a ramping up of sanctions,followed by heavy duty saber rattling.
Or maybe K and Ken forgot this was about Iran marching towards a nuke,there is no staus quo.
Iran's program is either reined in or folks start discussing more militant ways of dealing with it to pretend otherwise is to be intellectually dishonest for the sole purpose(here) of claiming tweak has been caught in a gotcha moment
Bullshit,plain and simple

Why don't you stop slobbering and think for a moment. Why would Iran launch a nuclear attack on Israel? What would that buy? There are already 10 nations currently engaged in driving the Houthi rebels out of Yemen, none of which is prepared to accept an expansion of Shi'ite power in the Middle East, and all of which are willing to commit military forces to prevent it.

Even nuclear Pakistan has weighed in on that side of the equation.

And that's without even mentioning the United States, or Israel's own nuclear weapons. If Iran launched a nuclear attack on Israel, it would end up being one big fused-glass ashtray, and it's Sunni neighbors would make sure it never recovered. Iran wants a nuclear arsenal as a deterrent, to undercut Israel's ability to play the nuclear card in a conflict. Khameni said so.

There is no nuclear threat to Israel from Iran. That's what's bullshit.

K.



slvemike4u -> RE: Another Deadline passed (4/1/2015 8:46:35 AM)

First off...when you start a post with "why don't you stop slobbering...."I just stopped reading.
So the rest of your post was so much wasted typing if the goal was a back and forth.
Now skip along and play with someone who is likely to accept your usual bullshit.



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