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KenDckey -> RICO Against Educators/Federal Fears (4/3/2015 5:51:32 PM)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/03/atlanta-educator-cheating-scandal_n_7001214.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Although the post is slightly about educators, it is mostly about the lack of accountability our Government holds large corporations.




Aylee -> RE: RICO Against Educators/Federal Fears (4/3/2015 8:06:28 PM)

Why did this case take 7 years?

I am torn. I think what happened was horrible. I think the sentencing was too extreme.




BamaD -> RE: RICO Against Educators/Federal Fears (4/3/2015 9:40:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

Why did this case take 7 years?

I am torn. I think what happened was horrible. I think the sentencing was too extreme.

So everyone screwed up.




Aylee -> RE: RICO Against Educators/Federal Fears (4/4/2015 9:48:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Why did this case take 7 years?

I am torn. I think what happened was horrible. I think the sentencing was too extreme.

So everyone screwed up.



Maybe not the kids unless you count marking the wrong answers.

But yeah, longer sentences than would be gotten for murder is extreme.

Cheating by students is rampant. I am not surprised to find cheating by teachers and admin. Our testing culture in schools suck and well. . . our education system pretty much sucks anyways.

They did it to "save their school." Well . . . if you need to cheat to do that perhaps whatever you are doing is not working and you should welcome your new overlords.

Racketeering charges? This is obviously a problem with our legal system. I do not think that RICO charges really fit this type of thing. BUT, we have so many laws, worded in interesting ways, that prosecutorial discretion allows people to be absolutely destroyed if an example needs to be made. I do not agree with this.

Did they know what they were doing was wrong? I am sure that they did. Did they even imagine that it was racketeering? Umm. . . I highly doubt it.

Malum in se, sure. The rest is just added on punishment.




joether -> RE: RICO Against Educators/Federal Fears (4/5/2015 1:17:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: KenDckey
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/03/atlanta-educator-cheating-scandal_n_7001214.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Although the post is slightly about educators, it is mostly about the lack of accountability our Government holds large corporations.


There is alot of pressure on educators to turn children into well developed, educated, young adults to society. Handling limited budgets, decaying physical structures, and legal rules to follow at every turn; it does put stress and confusion into teachers on how to handle things. Now, some groups of people take the notion 'if the kids aren't learning well, its the teachers fault completely'. An that fault means to either downgrade a teacher's salary/benefits or remove them entirely. Then add in that technology is advancing much faster in the last ten years than in the decades before it. Stuff learned in school in the 1940s-1970s was basically the same, since technology didnt change to much. Compare the technology of 2015 to 2005, is night and day of differences.

All this does create a motivation in educators, sadly, to 'fix the scores'. To change things so they get the 'pats on the back' rather than the pink slips. Does anyone think these educators enjoy the notion that it is harder to teach children than when they were growing up? That they must handle near-impossible odds of performance, given the conditions they are under?

Its sad to find educators have created. Broken the public's trust. That all those children are now guilty of something no blame should be directed towards! An it will take more resources, many of these school systems just dont have; to bring these kinds up to performance standards per their grade level(s).

How much of this do we blame these educators? Of the schools? Of the local governments? Of the local populace? Of the state? And federal levels? And while we are pointing fingers of accusation at each other; who is teaching children the near-impossible standards we have imposed upon them? That colleges and businesses alike complain that each year's senior's are less qualified for higher education or employment.

Its saddening that this nation did so many great things, but now, here is an obstacle that blocks our path with no obvious or direct routes to navigating a successful outcome. And the United States is not the only nation in this position.




KenDckey -> RE: RICO Against Educators/Federal Fears (4/5/2015 3:03:50 AM)

It is a sad state of affairs, but the article has more to do with accountability for ones actions than teachers.




thompsonx -> RE: RICO Against Educators/Federal Fears (4/9/2015 3:15:06 PM)

I don't see the technology as a factor. How can it be?




thompsonx -> RE: RICO Against Educators/Federal Fears (4/9/2015 3:24:23 PM)

I especially liked the part about the states responsibility to protect the profits of the shareholders

"In the corporate context, prosecutors may take into account the possibly substantial consequences to a corporation's employees, investors, pensioners, and customers, many of whom may, depending on the size and nature of the corporation and their role in its operations, have played no role in the criminal conduct, have been unaware of it, or have been unable to prevent it".




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