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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

In my sick and twisted mind, that trust would have to be the baseline. I couldn't ever enter into a mind fuck scene where the trust wasn't implicit. It is the safety net for me. I am all about blurring the reality of trust, giving the illusion of doubt, but once the illusion became the reality and he/she was caught in the sudden awareness that "trust" was broken or could be broken, red would come too soon.

Perhaps it should be another topic... I dunno... bringing someone to the precipice of madness, which is where the mind fuck is going... the realm of "oh fuck... this cannot be happening", I need trust to be the haven that his/her mind always retreats to for reassurance. IMO the mind fuck is to place the victim into a surreality of horrific possibility, and the mind falling back to the reassurance of trust, no matter how blurred, keeps the scene going.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB

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ORIGINAL: ExiledTyrant

In my sick and twisted mind, that trust would have to be the baseline. I couldn't ever enter into a mind fuck scene where the trust wasn't implicit. It is the safety net for me. I am all about blurring the reality of trust, giving the illusion of doubt, but once the illusion became the reality and he/she was caught in the sudden awareness that "trust" was broken or could be broken, red would come too soon.

Perhaps it should be another topic... I dunno... bringing someone to the precipice of madness, which is where the mind fuck is going... the realm of "oh fuck... this cannot be happening", I need trust to be the haven that his/her mind always retreats to for reassurance. IMO the mind fuck is to place the victim into a surreality of horrific possibility, and the mind falling back to the reassurance of trust, no matter how blurred, keeps the scene going.

I've entered into mind fuck scenarios where people were too ready to trust. The take down, capture and interrogation scenes I have been involved with involved quite a few people... guards... captives... interrogator's. Whilst the organizers were well aware of the guards and interrogators good reputations, the captives were happily willing to trust us without getting to know us or our reputation first.

Every submissive is different. Some need to be treated with constant reassurance, others want to teeter on that path of uncertainty and others, like the captives in my first paragraph, go looking for it.

I've done that head fuck with the person who trusts me probably more than anyone and that is admittedly tougher because you have to be a lot more cunning, but I've never done it with anyone who turned to me at a later date and said, "I wish you'd never done that".

Yes of course, its all about the illusion of doubt; that split second of uncertainty and that moment of fear is what can take something mediocre to spectacular heights. Saying that, I only want to tread such a route, even for a split second, with someone who desires to travel it.