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Another "innocent" claiming innocence of the law - 4/15/2015 12:08:10 AM

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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/st-louis-archbishop-didnt-know-sex-children-was-crime-n127291

St. Louis Archbishop Didn't Know Sex With Children Was a Crime
The St. Louis archbishop embroiled in a sexual abuse scandal testified last month that he didn’t know in the 1980s whether it was illegal for priests to have sex with children, according to a court deposition released Monday.

Archbishop Robert Carlson, who was chancellor of the Archdiocese of Minneapolis and St. Paul at the time, was deposed as part of a lawsuit against the Twin Cities archdiocese and the Diocese of Winona, Minnesota.

In a video released by the St. Paul law firm Jeff Anderson & Associates, the Catholic archbishop is asked whether he had known it was a crime for an adult to engage in sex with a child.

“I’m not sure whether I knew it was a crime or not,” Carlson responded. “I understand today it’s a crime.”

When asked when he first realized it was a crime for an adult — including priests — to have sex with a child, Carlson, 69, shook his head.

“I don’t remember,” he testified.

Attorney Jeff Anderson, who is representing an alleged clergy abuse victim, also released documents Monday indicating Carlson was aware in 1984 of the seriousness of child abuse allegations. He wrote to then-Archbishop John Roach that parents of one of the alleged victims was planning to go to police.

Carlson’s role at the time was to investigate abuse claims. He admitted in his deposition that he never personally went to police, even when a a clergy member admitted to inappropriate behavior.

In last month’s testimony, Carlson responded 193 times that he did not recall abuse-related conversations from the 1980s to mid-1990s.

Anderson provided a report from a previous deposition in 1987 in which now-deceased Bishop Loras Watters said he advised Carlson to answer “I don’t remember” if questioned in court.

Carlson responded last month that he had “no knowledge of the discussion.”

Carlson left the Twin Cities in 1994, and eventually became St. Louis archbishop in 2009.

The Archdiocese of St. Louis said in a statement Monday that Carlson had given testimony “several times many years ago” about the same allegations, according to NBC affiliate KSDK.

“In this most recent deposition, while not being able to recall his knowledge of the law exactly as it was many decades ago, the Archbishop did make clear that he knows child sex abuse is a crime today,” the statement said. “The question does not address the Archbishop’s moral stance on the sin of pedophilia, which has been that it is a most egregious offense.”

The trial against the Twin Cities archdiocese is slated to begin in September.

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/15/2015 3:25:16 AM

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There should be jail time simply for making that statement part of your defense. W.T.F?!?!?

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/15/2015 6:04:53 AM

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Is this guy for real? How could anyone delude themselves so thoroughly that they are unaware of the criminal reality of child abuse/rape? Does this 'defence' rely on a claim that if child rape is an act whose criminal status is ambiguous and therefore it is not unreasonable to a person to gloss over and cover it up?

How could any one who offers such a tenuous incredible defence hold high office in an organisation that among other things sees itself as offering moral guidance and leadership? It is unclear from the OP whether this person still holds a position of leadership and responsibility in the Church today. If he does he ought to be sacked immediately. The evidence above suggests that there is a prima facie case for criminal conspiracy against him (at a minimum).

To say the very least, this person is clearly unsuited to holding any position of leadership in any religious organisation, or any organisation that is active in the field of morality.

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/15/2015 7:15:42 AM

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Wow. I would say there is a helluva difference between claiming that you did not know sex with children was a felony versus not knowing that:

Picking up and eagle feather and taking it home,

Entering a cave on federal land in the rain,

Changing the wallpaper on a school teacher's computer,

Are felonies.

No didcling the kiddos. . . that is a new thing?

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/15/2015 8:10:27 AM

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And that is why I am a very,very lapsed catholic.
The Church failed all of us Catholics(IMO) when they failed the children....fuck them,deep dark holes is where they all belong

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/15/2015 5:53:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee

Wow. I would say there is a helluva difference between claiming that you did not know sex with children was a felony versus not knowing that:

Picking up and eagle feather and taking it home,

Entering a cave on federal land in the rain,

Changing the wallpaper on a school teacher's computer,

Are felonies.

No didcling the kiddos. . . that is a new thing?

Child rape makes me think longingly of fire ants and honey.
I know it's unconstitutional but I can dream can't I?

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/15/2015 6:14:03 PM

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He should've moved to Indiana and founded a new "religion." He could play the religious freedom card then.

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/15/2015 9:32:18 PM

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He's probably sick over the fact that so many got away with it without being tried let alone...going to jail.

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/16/2015 3:17:18 AM

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It could have been worse(not for the kids obviously)
He could have claimed religious liberty.

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/16/2015 8:14:14 AM

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It could have been worse(not for the kids obviously)
He could have claimed religious liberty.

Would not have worked. Compelling state interest.

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/16/2015 8:22:59 AM

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It could have been worse(not for the kids obviously)
He could have claimed religious liberty.

Would not have worked. Compelling state interest.

Or as was often used, back when I was in high school it didn't allow human sacrifice.
But it sounded like a cute hit against conservatives.

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/16/2015 8:24:18 AM

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He should've moved to Indiana and founded a new "religion." He could play the religious freedom card then.

Come on, Rocka...you know better than that.

Got any specifics on how Indiana's Religious Freedom law will allow for sexual use of children by adult officials of any church?

This is simply...and I hate to use that word because there really is nothing simple about it...another case of a church official lying. Anyone in any church who...I'd say within the last 30 years...would say that they didn't know it was illegal, to say nothing about just the wrongness, to use children sexually is flat out lying.

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RE: Another "innocent" claiming innocence of ... - 4/16/2015 8:42:27 AM

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It could have been worse(not for the kids obviously)
He could have claimed religious liberty.

Would not have worked. Compelling state interest.

Or as was often used, back when I was in high school it didn't allow human sacrifice.
But it sounded like a cute hit against conservatives.

no, its not a "cute hit at conservatives", its a hit against a dumbaarse religious man who "doesnt know that its illegal for ANYONE to screw minors.

the whinging at my comment *bolded* rather than aiming at the guy in question is a hysterically pathetic response to a tongue in cheek comment and the ugliness of the actual piece of shit this man is.

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