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11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Takes H... - 4/19/2015 4:31:47 AM   
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The narrative that we are led to believe for the purpose of government opposed to anarchy is for our general protection.

So how do people here feel about government having the authority to prevent people from acquiring and using 'any' drug, in a manner that does not infringe or endanger another, much less a drug being taken to relieve afflictions medical conditions?


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Banda has Crohn’s disease, which causes the immune system to attack healthy bacteria in the gastrointestinal tract, leading to chronic inflammation. She says she has used cannabis oil to successfully treat the disease. You can watch her video interview with Benn Swann here[@19:30].

When she and her son moved from Colorado to Kansas, her medical use of cannabis oil became illegal under state law. She continued to advocate for the treatment while encouraging others to speak out as well.

When her son’s school conducted a drug education class, he spoke up and argued against some of the points the instructor was making about marijuana. School officials reacted very strongly, calling the child protection agency, which contacted the police.

11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Takes Him, Arrests Mother


The womans story is nothing short of amazing, as is the government response. Has the syndicate solution evolved into a systemic detriment to our general health care?




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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 6:08:56 AM   
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Their careers would've been in jeopardy if they didn't treat her the same as a meth addict. Too bad it's not against their religion to take peoples' medicine away, they could've invoked the RFRA.

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 6:26:48 AM   
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This goes back to the whole "Free Range" parenting thing.

Keep your kids in control and make sure they only spout the bullshit that the empire wants to hear.



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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 7:35:04 AM   
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My gut reaction is "That's ridiculous."

Upon thinking further...

Regarding the boy speaking up in class, I think we need more of that, not less. There should be nothing wrong with a teacher saying, even just from a factual standpoint, something like "Yes, that's true. Some states do allow this for medicinal use. There are lots of reasons for that which are outside the scope of our discussion here." Or something like that. To clamp down discussion of the topic altogether seems paranoid. (I will submit, though, that teachers, youth group leaders, scout leaders, coaches, etc...will not entertain those types of discussions because invariably, a parent will likely sue. Which results in reactionary stifling of what could be relevant conversation. I blame our litigious society.)

Regarding the need of the authorities to look into his mother's use of cannabis? It depends on what he said. If he said "My mother used to use cannabis...." then they have no right.* If he said "My mother uses cannabis..." then yes, of course, they have to look into it. Teachers have the responsibility, first of all, to alert the authorities. As hot4bondage said, their career would be in jeopardy if they didn't. But more importantly, what would happen if someone didn't look into it? Sure, this one time when a child says their parent uses illegal drugs in the home, we might agree that the use is harmless. But what if the next child who says something is in a different situation? We can't expect the authorities to investigate one and not the other. And I would bet money that if a child said "My mother does heroin at home" that nobody here would bat an eye at the authorities investigating that.

Marijuana is not without consequence. I'm for the legalization of it for a few different reasons but I don't consider it harmless, and I would fully appreciate a good looking into of a parent who does drugs of any kind in the presence of a child. Medicinal use though, is a clear exception in my eyes. So hopefully, they will look into it (as well they should) and determine that, though it's illegal, it was more a matter of poor judgment than criminal intent. Unless it was criminal? Is two ounces a lot to have in the house? I have no idea what the punishment scale is for possession of cannabis or cannabis oil. She should certainly have some sort of punishment, but hopefully nothing that disrupts her family.

On the other hand, if she is given an exception because she's a mom using it for an illness, than we should expect lots of people to come up with lots of stories as to why they have illegal drugs in their house and I would expect them all to be given equal consideration. I'd like to feel compassion for her, but I'm struggling with wondering if she was just blatantly ignoring the law and then using her illness as an excuse because she likes to get high.

I will reiterate, though - if, as I believe the article says, - all he did was argue the merits of medicinal marijuana, then the whole thing is ridiculous. I hope that there was more to what he said that would have prompted such a reaction.

*Or maybe they do. I'm not sure where the line is that someone has to cross before it becomes something report-able.

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 9:26:55 AM   
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quote:

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The narrative that we are led to believe for the purpose of government opposed to anarchy is for our general protection.

So how do people here feel about government having the authority to prevent people from acquiring and using 'any' drug, in a manner that does not infringe or endanger another, much less a drug being taken to relieve afflictions medical conditions?


When spring hits and my allergies are at their worst i need more allergy meds than the govt allows me to buy.. it is not for my protection but rather so that i dont make meth with it.. In Canada that same drug is on the shelf and i can buy as much as i want without showing my ID and having the govt database approve/disapprove my purchase..

How i feel is that the US govt sucks big time.. the US is falsely advertised, it is not the "land of the free".. maybe at one time it was but its not anymore..

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 9:53:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


The narrative that we are led to believe for the purpose of government opposed to anarchy is for our general protection.

So how do people here feel about government having the authority to prevent people from acquiring and using 'any' drug, in a manner that does not infringe or endanger another, much less a drug being taken to relieve afflictions medical conditions?


When spring hits and my allergies are at their worst i need more allergy meds than the govt allows me to buy.. it is not for my protection but rather so that i dont make meth with it.. In Canada that same drug is on the shelf and i can buy as much as i want without showing my ID and having the govt database approve/disapprove my purchase..

How i feel is that the US govt sucks big time.. the US is falsely advertised, it is not the "land of the free".. maybe at one time it was but its not anymore..


How many allergy meds are you taking? Not that it is any of my business.

I think the easiest remedy is to got to more than one pharmacy. Or better yet, get a prescription. Seriously. If you are taking that many allergy meds you should be monitored by a PCP.

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 10:02:34 AM   
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If she knew a few meth addicts, had a sense of the zombie apocalypse meth has brought on us, knew how meth was manufactured, she might be a tad more agreeable to limiting the purchase of certain OTC allergy meds

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 12:16:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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ORIGINAL: tj444


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The narrative that we are led to believe for the purpose of government opposed to anarchy is for our general protection.

So how do people here feel about government having the authority to prevent people from acquiring and using 'any' drug, in a manner that does not infringe or endanger another, much less a drug being taken to relieve afflictions medical conditions?


When spring hits and my allergies are at their worst i need more allergy meds than the govt allows me to buy.. it is not for my protection but rather so that i dont make meth with it.. In Canada that same drug is on the shelf and i can buy as much as i want without showing my ID and having the govt database approve/disapprove my purchase..

How i feel is that the US govt sucks big time.. the US is falsely advertised, it is not the "land of the free".. maybe at one time it was but its not anymore..


How many allergy meds are you taking? Not that it is any of my business.

I think the easiest remedy is to got to more than one pharmacy. Or better yet, get a prescription. Seriously. If you are taking that many allergy meds you should be monitored by a PCP.

excuse me??? I am not a child that needs to be monitored constantly.. In the spring when allergies are bad I might need more for a short period, especially when i am in a new geographic area with new (to my body) pollens, etc.. I have gone years without needing more but it depends on where i am living and how bad the pollen is.. this year it was for about 2 or 3 weeks but in the past i have needed the meds and couldnt get them.. now i just buy my allotment every month and save them (since i dont actually need them at that time).. that is why i had enough this time.. Why should i pay to see a doctor to get what other govts (like Canada) think i am perfectly able to use safely and what i have used in the past safely? I guess Americans want to be treated like they have been lobotimized (which is what your govt does to you)..

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 12:30:54 PM   
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If she knew a few meth addicts, had a sense of the zombie apocalypse meth has brought on us, knew how meth was manufactured, she might be a tad more agreeable to limiting the purchase of certain OTC allergy meds

nope..

Do you really think that stopping tens of millions of people from getting legit drugs for legit medical reasons will stop addicts from being addicts? drug dealers just find a different way to sell them what they want, just as they always have..

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 12:33:07 PM   
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No skin off my nose if you screw up your organs or have bad side effects. Keep up with your pill popping and attacking anyone that shows concern.

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 12:36:03 PM   
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No skin off my nose if you screw up your organs or have bad side effects. Keep up with your pill popping and attacking anyone that shows concern.

Hey there,pill popping is how I get thru every damm day


No need to malign pill poppers

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 12:43:51 PM   
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No skin off my nose if you screw up your organs or have bad side effects. Keep up with your pill popping and attacking anyone that shows concern.

its take a few more at times (very short period of time) or scratch my eyes out (you think that would be better?).. a doctor would give me a prescription for that so how is that any different than me knowing what i need (other than wasting my time & his and making me poorer).. I am not a "pill popper" unless i need it.. most of the year i take no allergy meds at all..

and its a govt restriction, not a medical one..

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 1:49:00 PM   
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The narrative that we are led to believe for the purpose of government opposed to anarchy is for our general protection.

So how do people here feel about government having the authority to prevent people from acquiring and using 'any' drug, in a manner that does not infringe or endanger another, much less a drug being taken to relieve afflictions medical conditions?


When spring hits and my allergies are at their worst i need more allergy meds than the govt allows me to buy.. it is not for my protection but rather so that i dont make meth with it.. In Canada that same drug is on the shelf and i can buy as much as i want without showing my ID and having the govt database approve/disapprove my purchase..

How i feel is that the US govt sucks big time.. the US is falsely advertised, it is not the "land of the free".. maybe at one time it was but its not anymore..



Bear with me, I have a little story may interest you. A very good friend of mine had the same problem in so far as he was very allergic regarding hay fevers and airborne 'stuff' etc. He was also severely allergic to pineapple, (would break out in sores in just a few hours) and he is a bit crazy in some respect....(if one is good the whole bottle is better). um yeh....

Anyway true story......

I told him that many allergies are due primarily to a vitamin b1/b2 uptake issues...(as we age our bodies become unbalanced and dont 'absorb' nutrients properly) ...

Welcome to the we're all getting older club..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ig-RShZ6m4

I also mentioned a few herbals that he could take like nettle, milk thistle, and increased vitamin c.

So he ordered it, when it came in took a triple dose of the vitmains and herbals. I told him not to expect to see anything for at least a couple days after he takes it, let his body get enough time to adjust.... anyway he did the same thing the following day....(triple dosed despite my chewing his ass for it.)

Then insult to injury later that afternoon unbeknown to me he decided to test it by eating a whole can of pineapple.

Called me up that evening and said 'it worked'. The results were that most of his food allergies were gone, (from that day forward), but it did not as great of an effect on hayfever, though he said that too was considerably better. Now he took this along with his normal allergy meds.

Anyway here are a couple sites....what I set him up with was cocarboxalyse, which is predigested vitamins that are taken sublingually (under the tongue) and go directly into the blood stream without the need to be digested.

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/lifestyle-guide-11/allergies-allergy?page=1

http://www.vitaminshoppe.com/p/source-naturals-coenzymat-b-1-60-sublingual-tablets/sr-5141#.VTQIDbSklqM

http://www.sourcenaturals.com/products/GP1327

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/condition-1910-Allergies.aspx

Look it over, do your due diligence and research, and if you decide to play with it let us know if it helps give you additional relief. Just tossing out his experience.....

The problem is that processed foods destroy the natural nutrient balance, and thanks to business and the corporate world of the god of profit we have been slammed from childhood forward with literally health propaganda, of course all of which supports the medical industry and certain (gmo) chronies etc. Hence we are literally poisoning ourselves because we are nutritionally ignorant and stuffed but starving. Over time and with age parts of our bodies simply shut down and dont work anymore.

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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 2:11:17 PM   
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My gut reaction is "That's ridiculous."

Upon thinking further...

Regarding the boy speaking up in class, I think we need more of that, not less. There should be nothing wrong with a teacher saying, even just from a factual standpoint, something like "Yes, that's true. Some states do allow this for medicinal use. There are lots of reasons for that which are outside the scope of our discussion here." Or something like that. To clamp down discussion of the topic altogether seems paranoid. (I will submit, though, that teachers, youth group leaders, scout leaders, coaches, etc...will not entertain those types of discussions because invariably, a parent will likely sue. Which results in reactionary stifling of what could be relevant conversation. I blame our litigious society.)

Regarding the need of the authorities to look into his mother's use of cannabis? It depends on what he said. If he said "My mother used to use cannabis...." then they have no right.* If he said "My mother uses cannabis..." then yes, of course, they have to look into it. Teachers have the responsibility, first of all, to alert the authorities. As hot4bondage said, their career would be in jeopardy if they didn't. But more importantly, what would happen if someone didn't look into it? Sure, this one time when a child says their parent uses illegal drugs in the home, we might agree that the use is harmless. But what if the next child who says something is in a different situation? We can't expect the authorities to investigate one and not the other. And I would bet money that if a child said "My mother does heroin at home" that nobody here would bat an eye at the authorities investigating that.

Marijuana is not without consequence. I'm for the legalization of it for a few different reasons but I don't consider it harmless, and I would fully appreciate a good looking into of a parent who does drugs of any kind in the presence of a child. Medicinal use though, is a clear exception in my eyes. So hopefully, they will look into it (as well they should) and determine that, though it's illegal, it was more a matter of poor judgment than criminal intent. Unless it was criminal? Is two ounces a lot to have in the house? I have no idea what the punishment scale is for possession of cannabis or cannabis oil. She should certainly have some sort of punishment, but hopefully nothing that disrupts her family.

On the other hand, if she is given an exception because she's a mom using it for an illness, than we should expect lots of people to come up with lots of stories as to why they have illegal drugs in their house and I would expect them all to be given equal consideration. I'd like to feel compassion for her, but I'm struggling with wondering if she was just blatantly ignoring the law and then using her illness as an excuse because she likes to get high.

I will reiterate, though - if, as I believe the article says, - all he did was argue the merits of medicinal marijuana, then the whole thing is ridiculous. I hope that there was more to what he said that would have prompted such a reaction.

*Or maybe they do. I'm not sure where the line is that someone has to cross before it becomes something report-able.



Well the [police] states hold teachers somewhat accountable to report anything they think may be illegal so the [police] state can sort it out.

the underlying problem however is that the [police] states do not abide by their own rules. The only thing that is real is the power grab (constitution) while the finer points are completely disregarded, like one [police] states obligation to honor the authority of another [police] state.

Of course over the last several years the landscape has changed and the government is now directly competing against its citizen subjects.



Could this be a reason for a war on drugs? Seems the syndicate has a chip on the table.....a vested interest, and [police] states to enforce conformance!

Its the same thing they did with Burzynski and his anti-neoplasin cancer treatment after taking him to court on truped up charges 4 times which resulted in congressional intervention!

shocked yet?

Which is one of several reasons I take issue with 'any' drugs....especially those that people can grow in their gardens being criminalized along with all the other far reaching social implications we are now first beginning to see the need to deal with.






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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 2:24:54 PM   
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If she knew a few meth addicts, had a sense of the zombie apocalypse meth has brought on us, knew how meth was manufactured, she might be a tad more agreeable to limiting the purchase of certain OTC allergy meds



they advertise on tv ffs! "Tell your doctor".... then finalize the add with an auctioneer speed-speaking all the sideeffects that are worse then what you are trying to fix, but because its 'pharma' its legal! How about that!




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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/19/2015 2:33:40 PM   
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This goes back to the whole "Free Range" parenting thing.

Keep your kids in control and make sure they only spout the bullshit that the empire wants to hear.



Michael



I suppose one issue is that we really do not know just what the kid said either. The question I ask, is; if she has some kind of proof this was duly authorized in colorado then kansas should have honored the [state] contract under the federal constitution, assuming that is the situation.

Next taking her child away from her and without even charging her with anything is an atrocity. How can we blame the kid? If she can prove her situation in that she is 'self medicating' what state organization has the 'intended' legitimate authority to do such a thing?


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RE: 11yo Defends Medical Marijuana in School, State Tak... - 4/20/2015 9:00:56 AM   
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Look it over, do your due diligence and research, and if you decide to play with it let us know if it helps give you additional relief. Just tossing out his experience.....

The problem is that processed foods destroy the natural nutrient balance, and thanks to business and the corporate world of the god of profit we have been slammed from childhood forward with literally health propaganda, of course all of which supports the medical industry and certain (gmo) chronies etc. Hence we are literally poisoning ourselves because we are nutritionally ignorant and stuffed but starving. Over time and with age parts of our bodies simply shut down and dont work anymore.

I didnt have allergies until i was 27, it hit me like a truck.. I was constantly sneezing and had an uncontrollable urge to scratch my eyes out.. it took me a long time to find allergy meds that worked fairly well without knocking me out.. so these meds i take work pretty good.. right now its still spring but my allergies have toned down a lot, so I am back to taking a pill only when i feel a little too stuffed up, etc.. which might be one pill every few days..

But I do agree that i might be low in certain vitamins which can affect one's health in various ways.. Thanks for the info, I will look into it as well as other deficiencies I think I have.. I agree that proccessed foods are not good at all.. I watched a movie recently called "Dirt! The Movie" and it showed people in certain countries that are starving so to stave off hunger pangs they make "patties" out of mud/dirt and eat them.. it struck me that our equivalent of that is eating processed "food".. it may taste like food but its got as much nutritional value as dirt does.. Imo a lot of our modern diseases are due to that..

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