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I need Mac help please - 4/19/2015 8:02:17 AM   
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Okies here is the deal, my brain and computers don't get along very well. Especially with Mac stuff lol.

The iMac I was given (yay for free!) has a super outdated browser. Safari 5.0.6 won't let me do a lot of stuff. But it is so old that I can't seem to download a new browser. It makes zero sense to me but that seems to be what is going on.

Using teensy words can someone point me or better yet lead me step by small step to a new browser? Every time I start looking on my own I get more lost and more confused.

Remember how the adults all sounded in the Charlie Brown cartoons? Yup. That is what my brain starts to do. Whaaa whaaa whaa.

Thank you! (in anticipation of all the wonderful help )

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/19/2015 8:29:00 AM   
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Ugh... sadly, Cheesy is too old to support a new browser and I've not had the time to get those programs for you to clean up your system... but I will today. You're using 10.5 right?

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/19/2015 8:34:47 AM   
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Mac OS X Version 10.5.8

I can't load Facebook!!!

Thankies ET. Poor ole Cheddar lol.

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/19/2015 8:47:15 AM   
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Okay, start with these guys, clean up your system and I'll keep hunting for FB.


https://www.clamxav.com/download.html very bottom of the page, left side.

http://www.oldapps.com/mac/onyx.php?old_onyx=9904

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/19/2015 8:58:17 AM   
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In the Finder, go to the Go menu and choose Home.
Open the Library folder which is in there.
If you don't see a folder called "Contextual Menu Items" within that Library folder, create a new folder now and name it exactly:
Contextual Menu Items

Copy "ScanWithClamXav.plugin" to that Contextual Menu Items folder.

Log out and back in again to load the plugin.

You may now right-click (or control-click) on any items you have selected in the Finder and scan them directly with ClamXav.



Okies, the 'log out and back in again" means to restart Cheddar? And I'm glad you're helping because you know personally that I'm not stupid, just dense.


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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/19/2015 9:16:56 AM   
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Yep, clamX will need all programs off line to do the scan.

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/20/2015 12:10:45 AM   
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I guessing the iMac is a pre-2006 PowerPC machine? (You can verify by going to the Apple menu in the top left corner, selecting “About this Mac” and seeing what is says for “Processor.”) If so, your best bet of properly rendering modern websites is installing TenFourFox, which is a browser based on extended support releases of Mozilla Firefox, but built specifically to support old Macs.

However, if by some chance you do have a newer Intel-based machine, I’d strongly suggest upgrading the OS so that you can use more modern browsers.

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/20/2015 1:55:23 AM   
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quote:

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I guessing the iMac is a pre-2006 PowerPC machine? (You can verify by going to the Apple menu in the top left corner, selecting “About this Mac” and seeing what is says for “Processor.”) If so, your best bet of properly rendering modern websites is installing TenFourFox, which is a browser based on extended support releases of Mozilla Firefox, but built specifically to support old Macs.

However, if by some chance you do have a newer Intel-based machine, I’d strongly suggest upgrading the OS so that you can use more modern browsers.


That link is a bit of a gem shallowdeep. Steve's daughter has a 2007 Mac that is probably going to be semi redundant by next year.


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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/20/2015 7:18:51 AM   
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quote:

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I guessing the iMac is a pre-2006 PowerPC machine? (You can verify by going to the Apple menu in the top left corner, selecting “About this Mac” and seeing what is says for “Processor.”) If so, your best bet of properly rendering modern websites is installing TenFourFox, which is a browser based on extended support releases of Mozilla Firefox, but built specifically to support old Macs.

However, if by some chance you do have a newer Intel-based machine, I’d strongly suggest upgrading the OS so that you can use more modern browsers.


(Thank you for the explicit directions! Those are the best kind for me lol)

It says:
Mac OS X
Version 10.5.8
Processor 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Memory 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

Unfortunately it is not at my idiot level, it doesn't tell me anything but I bet it tells you guys something.

Oh and I did the much needed virus scan thingie, a trojan and malware have been quarantined. I actually expected a giant pile of stuff but had only two. Go me!

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/20/2015 7:25:49 AM   
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Looks like you have Snow Leopard which is good!

This explains what your version is and how you can update it but you probably need to contact your local Apple dealer.
http://store.apple.com/uk/question/answers/product/MC573Z/A/my-imac-is-mac-osx-version-1058-would-i-benefit-by-upgrading-to-snow-leopard-or-have-i-already-got-it/QPKC4KPTKJKPPKYA9

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 8:37:33 AM   
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You probably have an answer already, but why not just download a different browser, like Firefox?

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 9:24:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

You probably have an answer already, but why not just download a different browser, like Firefox?



Cheddar (my iMac) is too old, he won't allow downloads like that or I'd have done it long ago! I can't change or update my browser.
:(

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 2:34:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: camille65


quote:

ORIGINAL: shallowdeep

I guessing the iMac is a pre-2006 PowerPC machine? (You can verify by going to the Apple menu in the top left corner, selecting “About this Mac” and seeing what is says for “Processor.”) If so, your best bet of properly rendering modern websites is installing TenFourFox, which is a browser based on extended support releases of Mozilla Firefox, but built specifically to support old Macs.

However, if by some chance you do have a newer Intel-based machine, I’d strongly suggest upgrading the OS so that you can use more modern browsers.


(Thank you for the explicit directions! Those are the best kind for me lol)

It says:
Mac OS X
Version 10.5.8
Processor 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Memory 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM

Unfortunately it is not at my idiot level, it doesn't tell me anything but I bet it tells you guys something.

Oh and I did the much needed virus scan thingie, a trojan and malware have been quarantined. I actually expected a giant pile of stuff but had only two. Go me!


Camille65,

I am NOT a Mac authority. However I did find a place to download an older version of Firefox
which will work with your machine. http://www.oldapps.com/mac/firefox.php?PageSpeed=noscript

It is NOT the one on top. You have to scroll down until you find the one that will work with Version 10.5.8 or earlier.

You can look for other old apps on that site too. I hope this helps. If not you can Google and find
other sites for legacy software.

One more thing. Since the older versions of Firefox have some security issues you should probably read this page.
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Go_back_to_an_old_version_of_Firefox

It will tell you how to load an older version step by step if that is your best choice.
You might want to follow their advice and use another browser instead.


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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 7:07:36 PM   
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Thank you outlier!
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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 8:17:41 PM   
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Glad the instructions were understandable. The good news is it looks like your machine is actually far more capable than I was assuming based on it still running 10.5. Your iMac looks like a Mid 2007 version, which supports the latest version of OS X (10.10 Yosemite). If you upgrade the OS you will get access to the most recent version of Safari (plus the ability to run the latest versions of alternatives like Chrome and Firefox).

The bad news is the OS on your machine is a bit of a weird one in terms of Apple’s support, in part because it was the last version of the OS prior to the creation of the Mac App Store. To upgrade the OS, you will need a physical 10.6 (Snow Leopard) disc. These somewhat archaic things are still sold by Apple for $20. If budget is an issue and you know a local Mac user, they may have an old copy lying around you could borrow. Once you install 10.6 from disc, you can update it via Software Update (under the Apple Menu) to 10.6.8, which gives you access to the App Store. From there, it’s a free upgrade to the most recent version of OS X.

If web browsing is your primary use of the machine, I would highly encourage the OS upgrade: it will give you the latest support for things like browsers and improve your system’s security. However, if you have other mission-critical uses for the machine, it’s worthwhile keeping in mind that OS updates can break support for older software (including drivers for attached physical devices like printers), so if you really depend on a particular piece of software, it would be a good idea to verify it will work under the new OS before upgrading.

One last thing to consider is that 1 GB is currently a very low amount of RAM for a computer and this limited amount of memory will act as a performance bottleneck on your otherwise relatively capable machine. It’s not free, and the cost should be weighed against how likely you are to acquire a new machine in the near future, but an upgrade like this one should make a significant difference in performance, especially if you do upgrade the OS. I know opening a computer’s innards may seem daunting if you don't feel technically inclined, but the RAM on your model is designed to be easily user serviceable. If you can use a screwdriver, upgrading it is pretty straightforward.

If, for whatever reason, you decide an OS upgrade is not the best option, downloading Firefox 17.0.5 from the link outlier provided is probably a decent bet; it’s a couple of years more recent than Safari 5.0.6 that you are currently using. The TenFourFox browser I linked earlier is, unfortunately, designed for older PowerPC machines and is not officially supported on Intel ones, but the G3 version may run (probably a bit slowly) on your iMac, although I can't personally vouch for it under that setup. The version of Firefox it is based on is significantly more recent than the last version of Firefox to directly support OS 10.5 so, if it does run and if you can live with slow performance due to TenFourFox not being optimized for the Intel architecture, it's another option that should be more secure and may be more compatible with modern sites.

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 8:40:42 PM   
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I'm going to have to read that a couple of times (it is late at night for me lol) tomorrow to grasp it all, but thank you so much shallowdeep!

Yes web browsing is my primary activity.

I'm feeling hopeful with all this great help from so many!




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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 8:41:31 PM   
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I'm on the same basic Mac processor, an Intel Core 2 Duo Mini, slower chip, more memory. I suggest maxing out the available memory, everything works faster. IIRC, you will need more memory to run 10.7.
I'm now on 10.6.8 and have no issues loading or working with the latest Firefox for Mac. Which I prefer to Safari. I've been able to visit all the usual social media with no issues.
You may prefer to save all valuable files to a separate hard drive or flash drive and have someone at an Apple Genius Bar wipe your machine and reinstall 10.6.8. This was done for me. Or, anyway, a high enough OS for me to download to 10.6.8.
Some 'security' software creates things that aren't there, a full wipe is a fine countermeasure if you do have malware or virus present. Someone knowledgeable on Mac security should look at your saved files before wiping your machine or reloading the files.
You Won't be able to load or use the latest OS X, 10.7.5 is all your machine will run, if Wikipedia is right. 10.6.8 is said to be less resource intensive, the newer features in 10.7.5 are user choice for benefits.

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 11:14:20 PM   
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On second look, the site outlier linked doesn’t seem to have accurate information about version support, and the downloads aren’t from Mozilla, which is a bit sketchy - although the file does appear to be a valid binary. According to Mozilla, the last supported version for OS 10.5 was Firefox 16.0.2. I’d download it from that link just to be on the safe side if you try it.

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You Won't be able to load or use the latest OS X, 10.7.5 is all your machine will run, if Wikipedia is right.

Based on the specs she posted, camille65 has a Mid-2007 model iMac, which supports the latest OS release. Because Apple hasn’t provided security updates for 10.6 since 2013, I would definitely recommend upgrading the OS all the way to 10.10 rather than stopping on 10.6 if at all possible.

quote:

IIRC, you will need more memory to run 10.7.

I’d forgotten that, but I believe you’re right. The minimum system requirements for OS 10.7+ include at least 2 GB of RAM, and I think the installer does prevent the upgrade if that amount of RAM isn’t present. So purchasing more RAM may well be necessary to go beyond 10.6.

@camille65: If you do plan on keeping the iMac for a while, I’d say the RAM upgrade is worth it. With the RAM upgrade and OS updates, you should have a fairly capable machine for web browsing.

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RE: I need Mac help please - 4/22/2015 11:50:44 PM   
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That's irritating, the same class chip in an iMac (Core 2 Duo) runs 10.10 2 years earlier than a Mac Mini. Mid-'09 before the Mini was capable of 10.10. Not that I'm a fan of Mac's constant churning of their OS with bloated features. Some probably are useful?

Do not upgrade memory to the minimum necessary for an OS. This is Slow. Go as big as the machine will take. Other World Computing, Crucial, Macsales and others (Google "Mac Memory") normally have cheaper memory than Apple with up to twice the capacity in a reliable installation. Buy backs on your present memory can save a few bucks as well.

When you get tired of waiting for interminable boot times, get at least a smaller internal main solid state drive to boot your iMac from. As big as you can afford is always really appreciated later. Boots often are 1/3rd the time (Data from OWC, mine is as good with a much older SSD than now available.), other memory functions are as quick and sometimes Much faster than that.

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