Ever wonder how wars get started? What we fight and die for?

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Real0ne -> Ever wonder how wars get started? What we fight and die for? (4/20/2015 8:21:34 AM)
Why the government does such stupid things? Why politicians are so dumb? Never peace, so much never ending turmoil throughout the world? This is about one of my favorite playgrounds. Its where I hang out and why you wont see me out here wasting my time arguing about political candidates. They are video interviews so on one hand its really convenient for those who like to listen to something educational in the background while doing mundane work like cleaning the house etc, but not so much for those who like to read a transcript, sorry I couldnt find one. The material presented is known as 3rd tier history which unfortunately due to political circumstances is typically contrary to the history people learn in first tier high school, second tier college and so forth. So out of 4 tiers (that I am aware of) this version is geared toward those with an interest in history that comes with material citations based on verified documents regarding the movements of money, arms, and people, which is fundamental to the creation of all historical events. The key to successfully conducting war, the BIG key is "conflict management"......the objectives are profit and power for 'those who orchestrated' it. 'Not conflict resolution'. So what this is, is a look at the operators behind the scenes, and this guy was told that he would be smart if he stop doing interviews so the last 20 years we didnt hear too much from him. That said he was a fellow at the stanford, the hoover institute which had to the tune of 400 tons of records on the matters presented. The Best Enemies Money Can Buy Interestingly I was never able to make a hard connection between jfk and the secret societies he condemned in his speech until listening to these interviews/reading the books. Thought I would share this because its a history buffs treasure trove imo. Secret Societies. If one looks at everything that was done and who did it there is a completely different picture of history and it becomes readily apparent why there are mountains of information wars on the internet to attempt to maintain the 'first tier' historical status quo. For those who have the courage to review these and other similar works combined they will destroy the concepts of history taught by news, high school and tier2 colleges, as we were led to believe from the revolution through ww1, ww2, the holocaust, korea, nam, 911, and paint a clearer picture of the world picture we see today. What this is not, it is not for anyone looking for hero or party worship, its about what goes on in the vipers den, its about more for me and less for you, freedom through slavery....(yours). lol

MercTech -> RE: Ever wonder how wars get started? What we fight and die for? (4/20/2015 2:18:13 PM)
There are always three reasons for a war. The economic reason, who is making money off of it. The political reason, who is wanting power and control at any price? The emotional reason, the song and dance sold to the 20 somethings so they will put their life on the line for a bunch of rich old goons profiting from the conflict. Cynical old fart, ain't I?

Real0ne -> RE: Ever wonder how wars get started? What we fight and die for? (4/22/2015 8:40:32 AM)
Not cynical at all. The only way one could come to that conclusion is through a good deal of research. I would go so far as to say money and power are synonymous however because one begets the other. I just happened to run across a pdf for those who wish to read. What I like about this guy is that he is a forensic researcher and everything requires hard evidence. I expect that for those who derive their understanding of history through news and media that they would be in a world of shock when they discover who is behind what and the real reasons for lusitania, ww1, ww2, the holocaust, Bolsheviks, stalin, nam, 911 and ongoing. That people in the US/UK are in fact living under an iron curtain all while singing the praises and glorifying the constitution. His material does exactly what he claims "a formerly fuzzy world became crystal clear". Interestingly I dont see any counter arguments in here among the history buffs. Anyway, for those who prefer to read, its not the one I would have liked to find but it does cover a lot none the less, so here is the intro: quote: Then a year or so ago I received an eight-inch batch of documents - nothing less than the membership lists of an American secret society. Glancing through the sheets it was more than obvious - this was no ordinary group. The names spelled Power, with a capital P. As I probed each individual a pattern emerged ... and a formerly fuzzy world became crystal clear. The book you will read here is a combined version of a series reporting on this research. Each volume builds on the previous volume in a logical step-by-step process. These volumes will explain why the West built the Soviets and Hitler; why we go to war, to lose; why Wall Street loves Marxists and Nazis; why the kids can't read; why the Churches have become propaganda fronts; why historical facts are suppressed, why politicians lie and a hundred other why's. This series is infinitely more important than the original Western Technology series on technological transfers. If I have a magnum opus, this is it. ANTONY C. SUTTON Phoenix, Arizona July 30, 1983 http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres10/SuttonBones.pdf

MercTech -> RE: Ever wonder how wars get started? What we fight and die for? (4/22/2015 5:53:57 PM)
History can be a real eye opener. It rather gave me a gut punch when I ran across some of the issues leading up to the American Revolution. A lot of the economic reason behind the revolution was the Crown treaty with the Iroquois Confederation stating that no white men would be allowed to settle in the Ohio River Valley (It brought the Iroquois in on the side of the British in the French and Indian War). The desire to claim land in what is now West Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana was a large driving force in getting economic help for the Washington's Army. If Britain had prevailed; Cincinnati and Pittsburgh might still be in Indian Territory.

subfever -> RE: Ever wonder how wars get started? What we fight and die for? (4/22/2015 6:34:00 PM)
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.pdf

MrRodgers -> RE: Ever wonder how wars get started? What we fight and die for? (4/25/2015 8:15:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech History can be a real eye opener. It rather gave me a gut punch when I ran across some of the issues leading up to the American Revolution. A lot of the economic reason behind the revolution was the Crown treaty with the Iroquois Confederation stating that no white men would be allowed to settle in the Ohio River Valley (It brought the Iroquois in on the side of the British in the French and Indian War). The desire to claim land in what is now West Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana was a large driving force in getting economic help for the Washington's Army. If Britain had prevailed; Cincinnati and Pittsburgh might still be in Indian Territory. Ben Franklin was asked in an interview for a newspaper after the Rev. war how it was that the American Colonial aristocracy that had so much to lose, could come to revolt against the crown under which...they were subjects. Franklin stated quite simply that the crown would not allow the Americans to operate their own 'free and honest' money system. The colonies were all under the thumb of the Bank of England and [its] currency...the British Pound. The populations of western civilization at large do not want to trouble themselves with what is really the 'power behind the throne' and their goals, being distracted by the entertainment culture and mainstream media to the point of stupefying apathy. I've been recommending 'War is a Racket' by Gen. Smedley Butler for some time here.

NorthernGent -> RE: Ever wonder how wars get started? What we fight and die for? (4/26/2015 11:19:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrRodgers quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech History can be a real eye opener. It rather gave me a gut punch when I ran across some of the issues leading up to the American Revolution. A lot of the economic reason behind the revolution was the Crown treaty with the Iroquois Confederation stating that no white men would be allowed to settle in the Ohio River Valley (It brought the Iroquois in on the side of the British in the French and Indian War). The desire to claim land in what is now West Virginia, Ohio, and Indiana was a large driving force in getting economic help for the Washington's Army. If Britain had prevailed; Cincinnati and Pittsburgh might still be in Indian Territory. Ben Franklin was asked in an interview for a newspaper after the Rev. war how it was that the American Colonial aristocracy that had so much to lose, could come to revolt against the crown under which...they were subjects. Franklin stated quite simply that the crown would not allow the Americans to operate their own 'free and honest' money system. The colonies were all under the thumb of the Bank of England and [its] currency...the British Pound. The populations of western civilization at large do not want to trouble themselves with what is really the 'power behind the throne' and their goals, being distracted by the entertainment culture and mainstream media to the point of stupefying apathy. I've been recommending 'War is a Racket' by Gen. Smedley Butler for some time here. Of course debt means control. Many countries have practiced this self-evident concept. Britain has been owned by the United States since 1916, and they have had the power to cripple our country since this time. Woodrow Wilson said something like: "keep lending to the British and they will soon be dancing to our tune". And we were. It is merely an obvious thing that whoever controls the debt runs the show. No great surprise there. Two minor examples: When the United States Army came to Britain during WW2, they brought with them their system of segregation. No one here had a problem with black soldiers having a beer in our pubs or being treated as equals. The Americans brought with them their system of segregation and military police to police it, and instilled their system in our country; because they owned us due to the money we owed them and had no choice but to go along with it. Today, there is huge pressure being placed upon the British Government by the Americans aiming to force us to stay in the European Union. By and large, we want out, but the Americans are making it clear in no uncertain terms that we should stay in. Because, we're their Trojan horse. We still owe them money and favours, and so in line with the wishes of Woodrow Wilson we are still dancing to their tune; although Woodrow Wilson may not have envisaged that it would last 100 years. It seems that we are making an extra effort to pay the debt we owe the Americans these days, and perhaps it's because that until we pay off that money they have too much control over us. Either way, it is no secret that countries lock other countries in through finance - way of the world.

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