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ORIGINAL: Owned1

imho i would suggest there are varying thoughts on brats.  There are those who see a brat as a negative name tag, someone who is disrespectful and does whatever they want whenever they want.  For that type i often wonder why they are in this world, or perhaps they are simply in such huge need for attention it gives them what they need,  who knows maybe that is their kink?

The other type of brat is one who i would describe more as mischevious and playful yet knows where the line is and when to stop.  This type i would think is not a negative unless this is not what the Dom/me wants.  If that is the case then i would suggest the couple is not a good fit.

just my two cents.

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ORIGINAL: slavejlb

hello
a bratty submissive, is a fun loving, sub or slave, she like pushing the limits to see what she can get away with. She is also at times a Sam.
take care and be safe
slave jlb

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

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ORIGINAL: Level

Good evening, irish .
 
A bratty submissive, or "submissive", is one that does not behave in a way that is pleasing to the dominant, not due to lack of training, or effort, but due to lack of respect or concern for not only the dominant, but for the relationship, and perhaps for themselves.
 
Mouthy....... fickle........ sloppy in manner..........melodramatic.....
 
I love teasing and playing, and I don't think I'm some humorless jackass; but there is a line, and especially once that line has been clearly marked, fun can dissolve into brattiness fairly quickly.

I'll second this.  And yes the root cause is indeed selfishness.  The brat is more concerned with themselves than with those around them.  Their opinion, their ideas, their attitude, their desires, etc. all are more important to them than that of anyone else around them.

And to really ruffle some feathers, they're not submissive, they're playing at it.  Submission centers around the act of submitting to another's authority, and by its nature involves a degree of humility.  It requires an awareness of and consideration for others.  Brats, on the other hand, are more focused inward on their own desires rather than outward on how their actions affect others.  They characteristically lack humility, lack consideration for how their actions affect others, they are often rude.  And as can be seen in this thread, some brats even take pride in that lack of consideration for others.  There's nothing submissive in that.

Most brats I've encountered I can put in one of two categories.  One is really just a Bottom looking for kinky thrills.  A BDSM fetish bottom is not the same thing as a submissive.  Now there's nothing wrong with being a Bottom, but you have some parading as submissives when in fact they aren't (and they'll quickly and rudely challenge you if you disagree with them).

The second type wants to be "forced" into submission, these are also called SAMs, but they're really just another form of brat.  They're still trying to get their own way on their terms alone.  Their focus is not on pleasing the dominant, its on pleasing themselves, on getting their desires fed.

In any  case, I have no tolerance for a brat.  A submissive is here to serve, if that isn't you... then you are not a submissive and why are you here.  /quote]

Here!  Here!!   I couldn't agree more...  with both of you!
 
It's like when I go to a nice restaurant...I don't want to experience children; loud children...especially those who run all over the restaurant.  It drives me nuts!  In the same vein...I expect submissives to behave in the manner they have chosen to follow...not some vanilla, high-school crap.  Geeze, we are all over 21!

< Message edited by Bearlee -- 7/16/2006 8:21:22 PM >

(in reply to Padriag)

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ORIGINAL: MaleModel

If we go beyond our boundaries, we deserve to be punished, but most Dominants that I have met or corresponded with were willing to tolerate some level of "slack"......you just had to figure out what it was.

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ORIGINAL: smilezz

Someone who does not get their way...pouts...whines...stomps their feet....etc.  Pretty much one who feels the need to add drama to the mix.
I will state that i have seen this type of behavior in a scene before, whole other animal, it's not the miss usa drama queen going for the brat of the year title.
And ohhhhhhhh, there are a bunch of them here.   ack!

Happy Sunday...

~smilezz~

Hum...been known to pout and whine (in a playful way)........never stomp feet though...too  much time for spend at Tara, perhaps? lol  I think I'm half bratty but not fully a Brat. I could never be rude or insulting, or even selfish.

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ORIGINAL: irishbynature

I'm sure this has been asked 1 billion times But, everyone who wishes (Dommes/Doms/Masters/Subs/slaves)....could you kindly post your own definition of what you think a "Bratty Submissive" is?  I'm looking forward to the responses.
Warmly,
IBN(Irishbynature)

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ORIGINAL: irishbynature

I'm sure this has been asked 1 billion times But, everyone who wishes (Dommes/Doms/Masters/Subs/slaves)....could you kindly post your own definition of what you think a "Bratty Submissive" is?  I'm looking forward to the responses.
Warmly,
IBN(Irishbynature)

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: irishbynature

I'm sure this has been asked 1 billion times But, everyone who wishes (Dommes/Doms/Masters/Subs/slaves)....could you kindly post your own definition of what you think a "Bratty Submissive" is?  I'm looking forward to the responses.
Warmly,
IBN(Irishbynature)

To me, a bratty submissive is one who is playful/mischievous/slightly misbehaving without being disrespectful AND one who knows where the line is and respects it AND who knows that when it happens every day or all the time on a day when they have chosen to engage it, it has crossed over into something that is NOT appealing.  It is different than SAM behavior in that it is not being done to incur physical punishment or to invoke my physical "proof" of my dominance over them.

The first part of your definition does describe me...but my brattiness comes from a place of pure playfulness and  the slight misbehaving is merely attention seeking I engage in but never out of disrespect. *Smiles* Master always puts me in line, partly because He understands my nature and He knows I crave a bit of correction just for good measure.
Thanks! Irishbynature

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ORIGINAL: sweetestsub

I think that it is truly amazing that with the amount of people who responded to this post that only one person found the positive term of brat. Everyone just automatically associated the word with child, which simply isn't so in a BDSM world. I've lost the refrence I once found that talks about brat subs, I will look for it and when I've found it again I shall post it here. I would hope there are a few more open minded people around before I read any other posts or I'm going to be sorely disappointed with this message board.