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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/25/2015 7:04:10 AM   
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Perhaps, if they spent less time investigating groups with "Patriot" in the name, they'd have had more time to do their fucking jobs.


Unfortunately, they have to examine any issue that is out of order, irrelevant of the name. If fifty right-wing organizations have 'heritage', 'patriot', 'american', or '2nd amendment'.....

....They'll get investigated if it looks like their records are incorrect. There were plenty of liberal groups that got investigated; funny how conservatives and libertarians leave that bit of FACT out of their 'arguments'.....

Numbers comparison, Joether?

Length of time before granting those liberal groups the same status the conservative groups were asking for?

We're all aware that liberal groups were investigated. Your attempt to make it a non-issue simply by stating that and yet not bringing the fact that there were fewer liberal groups investigated or the fact that it took them less time to be granted the status the conservative groups sought is merely an attempt to deflect.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/25/2015 7:09:12 AM   
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Some leftists habitually lie to themselves about such things as these scandals

Top IRS people admitted that Tea Party groups were targeted...

I believe that many of them are inherently incapable of intellectual honesty, especially regarding political issues


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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/25/2015 2:11:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, and other suspected tax cheats as well. It's now 2015, can we move along? This whole history has little to do with the USA's overall national interest.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/25/2015 4:23:20 PM   
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Yes, and other suspected tax cheats as well. It's now 2015, can we move along? This whole history has little to do with the USA's overall national interest.


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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/25/2015 4:40:05 PM   
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The Treasury inspector general (IG) whose report helped drive the IRS targeting controversy says it limited its examination to conservative groups because of a request from House Republicans.

A spokesman for Russell George, Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration, said they were asked by House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) “to narrowly focus on Tea Party organizations.”
The inspector general’s audit found that groups seeking tax-exempt status with “Tea Party” and “patriots” in their name did receive extra attention from the IRS, with some facing years of delay and inappropriate questions from the agency.

But top congressional Democrats have wielded new information from the IRS this week that liberal groups were also flagged for extra attention on the sorts of “be on the lookout” lists (BOLOs) that also tripped up conservative groups.

The spokesman for the Treasury inspector general noted their audit acknowledged there were other watch lists. But the spokesman added: "We did not review the use, disposition, purpose or content of the other BOLOs. That was outside the scope of our audit.”

The admission from the inspector general comes as Democrats have sharpened their criticism of George, with Rep. Sandy Levin (D-Mich.) dubbing the audit fundamentally flawed on Monday.

Levin, the top Democrat on the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, stressed to The Hill on Tuesday that the inspector general did not say the audit was limited to Tea Party groups when it was released in mid-May.

The Michigan Democrat also maintained that the audit’s shortcoming had emboldened Republicans to try to link the targeting of Tea Party groups to the White House.

“You need to get at the facts. And those facts weren’t given to us, even when asked,” Levin said. “The Republicans used the failure of the IG to spell out what they knew as an opportunity to totally politicize this.”

Levin’s office first disclosed on Monday that the term “progressive” was also included in the lists until this year and urged the Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) to bring George back for more testimony.

And while the inspector general’s office has not said they knew about BOLOs flagging liberal groups, Ways and Means Democrats said Monday that progressive organizations were among the almost 300 groups the inspector general examined for his audit.

Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), who questioned George about whether liberal groups were singled out at an Oversight hearing last month, also said Tuesday that it appears the inspector general's answers "were at best incomplete, if not misleading."

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/27/2015 3:42:27 PM   
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Perhaps, if they spent less time investigating groups with "Patriot" in the name, they'd have had more time to do their fucking jobs.


Unfortunately, they have to examine any issue that is out of order, irrelevant of the name. If fifty right-wing organizations have 'heritage', 'patriot', 'american', or '2nd amendment'.....

....They'll get investigated if it looks like their records are incorrect. There were plenty of liberal groups that got investigated; funny how conservatives and libertarians leave that bit of FACT out of their 'arguments'.....




You just have trouble with facts don't you? http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/18/new-breakdown-of-groups-targeted-by-irs/

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/27/2015 6:38:11 PM   
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Perhaps, if they spent less time investigating groups with "Patriot" in the name, they'd have had more time to do their fucking jobs.


Unfortunately, they have to examine any issue that is out of order, irrelevant of the name. If fifty right-wing organizations have 'heritage', 'patriot', 'american', or '2nd amendment'.....

....They'll get investigated if it looks like their records are incorrect. There were plenty of liberal groups that got investigated; funny how conservatives and libertarians leave that bit of FACT out of their 'arguments'.....

Numbers comparison, Joether?

Length of time before granting those liberal groups the same status the conservative groups were asking for?

We're all aware that liberal groups were investigated. Your attempt to make it a non-issue simply by stating that and yet not bringing the fact that there were fewer liberal groups investigated or the fact that it took them less time to be granted the status the conservative groups sought is merely an attempt to deflect.

Here penguin, I'll answer the questions I asked of you and I'll use Hunters article citation to do it.

Number of liberal groups on comparison to conservative groups?

Of the 298 applications that were collected and put on hold by the Internal Revenue Service between mid-2010 and mid-2012, 248, or 83%, were right-leaning, while 29, or 10%, were left-leaning. So, unless I'm mistaken, that woulwould seem to indicate that MORE conservative groups were targeted.

That's the numbers comparison. How about the length of time to get the status sought after?

Of the right-leaning groups’ applications, about 45% have been approved, while about 70% of the left-leaning groups have been approved.

I can't WAIT to hear how you go around this.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/27/2015 7:20:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		CreativeDominant, I think more to the point is that these conservative groups wanted to participate in thee 2012 election discussion. The Obama IRS effectively kept them out of the discussions while allowing liberal groups to enter the fray. So it's not just the time, but also the timing. It's like when Al Gore tried to throw out all of the overseas votes for the military that had legal residences in Florida. Gore new the military voted 90% conservative and didn't want them part of the discussion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/21/us/counting-vote-absentee-ballots-review-military-votes-florida-attorney-general.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/15/us/examining-the-vote-lieberman-put-democrats-in-retreat-on-military-vote.html

I threw in links because I knew the loony left will have forgotten.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/27/2015 7:31:05 PM   
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Yes, and other suspected tax cheats as well. It's now 2015, can we move along? This whole history has little to do with the USA's overall national interest.



That's so funny. For years when the clintons were caught cheating or lying they'd say it was either the vast right wing conspiracy or, "That's old news, let's move on." Yet to this day in these chat sections the looney left chants Bush Lied. Which I've shown with links not to be true.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/28/2015 12:50:09 AM   
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Yes, and other suspected tax cheats as well. It's now 2015, can we move along? This whole history has little to do with the USA's overall national interest.



That's so funny. For years when the clintons were caught cheating or lying they'd say it was either the vast right wing conspiracy or, "That's old news, let's move on." Yet to this day in these chat sections the looney left chants Bush Lied. Which I've shown with links not to be true.


It does seem that the truth is not relevant.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/28/2015 4:00:29 AM   
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If there were budget cuts, can someone please explain 2 things

a. Why are the taxpayers paying bonus money to it's workers?

b. Why are the tax cuts not coming from these funds?
Repeat after me, Ken...cannot cut the bonus funds...or the funds for Vegas parties...or the funds to destroy emails...or the funds to investigate conservative groups...OR to help unions...ONLY funds to do their legitimate jobs




Geez, here I thought the 'conservatives' held the house and the senate. Did the principal announce fish sticks in the cafeteria and I missed it?

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/28/2015 4:18:44 AM   
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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/28/2015 9:22:23 AM   
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If there were budget cuts, can someone please explain 2 things

a. Why are the taxpayers paying bonus money to it's workers?

b. Why are the tax cuts not coming from these funds?
Repeat after me, Ken...cannot cut the bonus funds...or the funds for Vegas parties...or the funds to destroy emails...or the funds to investigate conservative groups...OR to help unions...ONLY funds to do their legitimate jobs




Geez, here I thought the 'conservatives' held the house and the senate. Did the principal announce fish sticks in the cafeteria and I missed it?
Nope...you got it. And it was the I.R.S. past abuses that led them to cut funds.

And yet, the I.R.S. still manages to find money for bonus funds...parties...make the union happy...destroy emails and servers, thus requiring new equipment...time to investigate conservative groups.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/28/2015 9:24:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		That was a given, since there can be no 'conservative' groups, because there are no conservatives.


But it is 'conservatives' borrowing and spending down there in the house, and handing out bonuses, because they are legislating funding for them.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/28/2015 9:41:00 AM   
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That was a given, since there can be no 'conservative' groups, because there are no conservatives.


But it is 'conservatives' borrowing and spending down there in the house, and handing out bonuses, because they are legislating funding for them.


Actually jester, there is a nugget of truth in the above. I've always said that liberals get thrown out of office because they act like liberals and conservatives get thrown out of office because they act like liberals. The GOP is, in effect, really just loony left light. Fortunately the Tea Party now exists to challenge them. Things will get better.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/28/2015 11:12:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		The definition of a bureaucrat is a democrat that has a job that a 'republican' wants.

Yeah, in the stereotype, democrats are tax and spend, and 'republicans' are borrow and spend.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 4/28/2015 5:17:41 PM   
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The definition of a bureaucrat is a democrat that has a job that a 'republican' wants.

Yeah, in the stereotype, democrats are tax and spend, and 'republicans' are borrow and spend.


I just can't argue with that.

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 8/4/2015 9:44:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		U.S. District Judge Emmett Sullivan blasted the IRS for its failure to produce key documents concerning the Lerner attempt to minimize the opposition to Barack Obama. The IRS is alleged to possess documents the investigators need to get to the truth. The agency also engaged in obstruction by refusing to release all of these documents, with the blessing and participation of current IRS Commissioner John Koskinen.

Judge Sullivan is reportedly so livid at the failure of the IRS to cooperate with Congressional investigators and carry out his orders that he fired off a letter to the IRS stating that Commissioner Koskinen will be held in contempt of court if he fails to cooperate -- a serious violation of the law that carries much more teeth than a contempt of Congress citation. Foot dragging by the IRS is now a legal issue for the court. And a federal judge obviously is in no mood to put up with any more delays and obstruction by the IRS.

The Judge further stated that he is prepared to hold IRS employees in contempt of court if they engage in any more delays. Judge Sullivan, it should be noted, is no Republican but a Democrat who was appointed as U.S. District Judge by former President Bill Clinton.

http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-administration-loses-2-big-ones-irs-and-hillary-scandals

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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 8/5/2015 1:39:33 AM   
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RE: Latest IRS Scandal - 8/5/2015 5:28:21 AM   
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Lower level staff would never act this way without orders from above. It seems that everyone from the president on down should be livid, and it just isnt the case.

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