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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The best statement yet on why they riot. For any objective sociological assessment as to why people would go to such extremes. This becomes a very important question...why ?

“My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts."

“It is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.”

Peter Angelos Owner of the Baltimore Orioles, responding to a sports radio broadcaster upset about earlier protests causing gate closures at Camden Yards.

Thinking of the presidential hopefuls:

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause, or the disenfranchisement a black man might experience when his very presence is treated as a problem. It might mean getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, or being handcuffed on a walk home. Or ending up dead for selling cigarettes, or for having the nerve to look a police lieutenant in the eye, as Freddie Gray did.....

Angelos and Basu are exactly right.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

that's a dandy question...apart from liberal race baiters and the pandering democrats, im not sure.

bill o'reilly mentioned recently he thinks its going to take Baltimore decades to recover from this.

one thing missing so far in response to the OP (though i trust it will show up eventually) is the notion of individual responsibility. I can be oppressed, disenfranchised, and unemployed, and still I have a choice to burn and loot, or to not.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: Marini

DmSM

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The best statement yet on why they riot. For any objective sociological assessment as to why people would go to such extremes. This becomes a very important question...why ?

“My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts."

“It is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.”

Peter Angelos Owner of the Baltimore Orioles, responding to a sports radio broadcaster upset about earlier protests causing gate closures at Camden Yards.

Thinking of the presidential hopefuls:

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause, or the disenfranchisement a black man might experience when his very presence is treated as a problem. It might mean getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, or being handcuffed on a walk home. Or ending up dead for selling cigarettes, or for havingthe nerve to look a police lieutenant in the eye, as Freddie Gray did.....

Angelos and Basu are exactly right.

As a BLACK African American woman, I thank you for this.
I realized LONG ago, Many non-Black folks on here, feel they are experts on how many Black people think, so I don't bother to debate on most topics dealing with race on here.

Thank you, and fucking A, Mr. Rogers
I told an elderly family member last night, that I agree with what one young man in Baltimore, stated in an interview.
....Many people have NO idea how many young Black people feel in the inner city.

As a Black woman, I agree.
When I was much younger, it was EASY to get a job, and times were much easier.

With Black unemployment at critically high levels, I don't know what it"feels like", NOT to be able to get a job, to feel like I have little to no opportunites, and to live with chronic/pervasive hopelessness.

Thank you Mr. Rogers

PEACE

I don't think I'm an expert on how black people think. I know I'm not an expert on how white people think. I think it's weird to assume all people of any group think a like. But I do have some experience. I had a black sub once years ago. She'd text me while she was sitting around her kitchen table with her family. She'd tell me they were talking about how much they hated white people. I don't recall one similar kitchen table talk in my home. Yet, if one group is seeing the world through that sort of mindset, I'm pretty sure they're going to project onto me that I hate just as they do.

I know for a fact liberal's of all colors project that onto me now.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

DmSM

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The best statement yet on why they riot. For any objective sociological assessment as to why people would go to such extremes. This becomes a very important question...why ?

“My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts."

“It is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.”

Peter Angelos Owner of the Baltimore Orioles, responding to a sports radio broadcaster upset about earlier protests causing gate closures at Camden Yards.

Thinking of the presidential hopefuls:

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause, or the disenfranchisement a black man might experience when his very presence is treated as a problem. It might mean getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, or being handcuffed on a walk home. Or ending up dead for selling cigarettes, or for havingthe nerve to look a police lieutenant in the eye, as Freddie Gray did.....

Angelos and Basu are exactly right.

As a BLACK African American woman, I thank you for this.
I realized LONG ago, Many non-Black folks on here, feel they are experts on how many Black people think, so I don't bother to debate on most topics dealing with race on here.

Thank you, and fucking A, Mr. Rogers
I told an elderly family member last night, that I agree with what one young man in Baltimore, stated in an interview.
....Many people have NO idea how many young Black people feel in the inner city.

As a Black woman, I agree.
When I was much younger, it was EASY to get a job, and times were much easier.

With Black unemployment at critically high levels, I don't know what it"feels like", NOT to be able to get a job, to feel like I have little to no opportunites, and to live with chronic/pervasive hopelessness.

Thank you Mr. Rogers

PEACE

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

that's a dandy question...apart from liberal race baiters and the pandering democrats, im not sure.

bill o'reilly mentioned recently he thinks its going to take Baltimore decades to recover from this.

one thing missing so far in response to the OP (though i trust it will show up eventually) is the notion of individual responsibility. I can be oppressed, disenfranchised, and unemployed, and still I have a choice to burn and loot, or to not.

Personal responsibility is of course necessary....but when you combine that statement with O'Reilly's about how long it will take Baltimore to recover you have to take into account the difficulty other urban area's have faced coming back from major public dis rest(re:riots)no one will want to invest !
Once you find someone willing to invest they themselves run into the issue of an inabilty to secure insurance ....which makes a fiscal bounce back nigh on impossible.
Which just might be where the need for governmental assistance comes into play.

By the way,yeah Democrats pander to their constituency but Republicans pander to theirs too.It's called politics and it takes a strong and gifted politician to rise above it and actually lead.

For myself I don't see one on the Republican horizon,I'm sure you feel the same way about Democratic hopefuls.

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QFT.

The statement by the Peter Angelos struck me as the most incisive and intelligent comment I have seen or heard on this issue, either here or in the media. It answers the question 'Why do they riot?' eloquently and comprehensively. Who amongst us wouldn't be tempted to react strongly faced with that set of circumstances?

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Fast reply, because this is for no one in particular.

We all have a right to discuss any topic that we want, online or offline.
I NEVER stated that people of other races, could or should not discuss Black people/or Black issues.

*It's insane, I need to even type this, which is why I normally avoid threads in which "Black people" are being discussed on here. These threads tend to normally go the same way, and I don't come here to find people to despise and hate on-line, so best not to read them.**

It would never enter my head to think I know how it really feels to be: gay, jewish, hispanic, white, blind, deaf, President, a siamese twin, etc.

I know many people feel they really KNOW how other people feel/and think, when in fact you have NO idea how you would REALLY feel IF you were in their shoes.
I don't give a flying fuck if everyone you know is Black, you don't know how YOU would feel if YOU were Black.
**Or gay, blind, disabled, living in a 3rd world country, a slave, held hostage by terrorists, {you insert situation here}.

There is a big difference betweeen discussing ANY situation/or race of people in the world, and presuming that you know {for a fact},how YOU would feel if you were of that race or in that situation.

I can discuss any subject in the world, but damn if I would attempt to think I know FOR A FACT, how I would feel if I were THEM/or in that situation.
**I can study, speculate, guess, hypothesize, and fucking analyze, but damn if I can get into the "head" of someone else.**

This is only a message board, and I have enough real life issues not to really give a damn.

So, as pretty much the only regular Black poster around here, I will say---goodbye to this thread/and any other similar thread, for the time being.

I will hardly waste my time, chatting or typing to someone/or people that think I don't know what it is like to be a Black woman.


**This shit is too crazy even for me.**

So enjoy and have fun!

Isn't free speech wonderful?


Peace

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know many people feel they really KNOW how other people feel/and think, when in fact you have NO idea how you would REALLY feel IF you were in their shoes.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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know many people feel they really KNOW how other people feel/and think, when in fact you have NO idea how you would REALLY feel IF you were in their shoes.

You know... when discussing my posts it is ok to talk with me directly... I respect your point of view even though I don't always agree..

Oh by the way there were white people rioting in Seattle I would like to talk and compare this with the riots in Baltimore... but of course since these were mostly white you are not qualified because you have no idea what it is like to be in a white persons shoes. I guess i will have to find white people to talk about it with... boy that really solves problems in America with race relations doesn't it.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

and whooosh...missing the point entirely, many times you have blamed it on the black community, ferguson and this riot in Baltimore, you have lots of blame, but little else, and attitudes like that ARE the ugly part of the problem.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

and whooosh...missing the point entirely, many times you have blamed it on the black community, ferguson and this riot in Baltimore, you have lots of blame, but little else, and attitudes like that ARE the ugly part of the problem.

Its okay to post about the topic, rather than constantly trying so hard to make other posters the topic lucy

You can even get the same point across without making it personal

Well, maybe you cant. But you could try once in a while