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KenDckey -> Should a State AG be allowed to have donor lists? (5/15/2015 7:25:39 PM)

The Democratic Attorney, Kamala Harris, for the state of California is requiring all 503(c)(3) educational and charitable organizations within the State of California provide the name and address of all contributors.

This isn’t required by state code, has previously been determined by SCOTUS to be protected speech, and is not relative to an investigative subpoena or investigation.

The Center for Competitive Politics lost it’s bid in both district and appellate courts to not provide this information, and the 9th Circuit shifted the burden of proof to CCP

The CCP has no problem relaying the requested information for an ongoing investigation. The CCP does not promote any political candidate or party.

http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/14A1179-Center-application.pdf

http://www.campaignfreedom.org/

My thoughts are that is an unwarranted intrusion into the freedom to associate and a probable violation of the first amendment. The fact that the AG is a Democrat or that the CCP appears to be more right leaning (although I found evidence that isn’t necessarily true) sets a bad precedence should the roles be reversed.




BamaD -> RE: Should a State AG be allowed to have donor lists? (5/15/2015 7:31:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

The Democratic Attorney, Kamala Harris, for the state of California is requiring all 503(c)(3) educational and charitable organizations within the State of California provide the name and address of all contributors.

This isn’t required by state code, has previously been determined by SCOTUS to be protected speech, and is not relative to an investigative subpoena or investigation.

The Center for Competitive Politics lost it’s bid in both district and appellate courts to not provide this information, and the 9th Circuit shifted the burden of proof to CCP

The CCP has no problem relaying the requested information for an ongoing investigation. The CCP does not promote any political candidate or party.

http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/14A1179-Center-application.pdf

http://www.campaignfreedom.org/

My thoughts are that is an unwarranted intrusion into the freedom to associate and a probable violation of the first amendment. The fact that the AG is a Democrat or that the CCP appears to be more right leaning (although I found evidence that isn’t necessarily true) sets a bad precedence should the roles be reversed.

This will be fine till a conservative Ag does it then we will find out that it is evil.
I agree that it violates the first amendment and a number of other principles.
As you said the Supreme Court already ruled against it, what are the lower courts doing overruling the Supreme Court anyway?




KenDckey -> RE: Should a State AG be allowed to have donor lists? (5/15/2015 7:32:22 PM)

As I read the suit that appears to be one of the questions for SCOTUS

I think it was NAACP V Alabama that it was decided




BamaD -> RE: Should a State AG be allowed to have donor lists? (5/15/2015 7:35:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: KenDckey

As I read the suit that appears to be one of the questions for SCOTUS

We still have the AG involved in establishing extra legal requirements i e write the law to suit itself.




ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Should a State AG be allowed to have donor lists? (5/15/2015 7:42:04 PM)

I have no problem with it - these are tax-exempt organizations and are therefor using tax payer money to support themselves. Where their money comes from and how they spend it should be a matter of public record. There are laws governing just how much of a charitable organizations income must be spent doing actual charitable work. Tax exempt status can be revoked for failure to comply.

To be clear, when an organization does not pay taxes on the money it receives, it costs tax payers that lost revenue. Tax exempt organizations cause the rest of us to pay more in taxes. Imagine how much lower your property tax bill would be if every church had to pay taxes based on the value of their land and buildings (like the rest of us do).




Sanity -> RE: Should a State AG be allowed to have donor lists? (5/15/2015 8:05:11 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

I have no problem with it - these are tax-exempt organizations and are therefor using tax payer money to support themselves. Where their money comes from and how they spend it should be a matter of public record. There are laws governing just how much of a charitable organizations income must be spent doing actual charitable work. Tax exempt status can be revoked for failure to comply.

To be clear, when an organization does not pay taxes on the money it receives, it costs tax payers that lost revenue. Tax exempt organizations cause the rest of us to pay more in taxes. Imagine how much lower your property tax bill would be if every church had to pay taxes based on the value of their land and buildings (like the rest of us do).


Thats not sound reasoning

Following that logic, all money that the federal government doesnt collect in taxes is "lost taxpayer revenue" and everyone who keeps a dime should be required to submit to searches or any other breach of privacy that can be imagined

Just because a group or an individual is allowed to keep some of its own money shouldnt mean that bureaucrats have any right to require them to bend over for thorough anal exams at will

No

Fuck that




HunterCA -> RE: Should a State AG be allowed to have donor lists? (5/15/2015 8:09:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

I have no problem with it - these are tax-exempt organizations and are therefor using tax payer money to support themselves. Where their money comes from and how they spend it should be a matter of public record. There are laws governing just how much of a charitable organizations income must be spent doing actual charitable work. Tax exempt status can be revoked for failure to comply.

To be clear, when an organization does not pay taxes on the money it receives, it costs tax payers that lost revenue. Tax exempt organizations cause the rest of us to pay more in taxes. Imagine how much lower your property tax bill would be if every church had to pay taxes based on the value of their land and buildings (like the rest of us do).



Actually, most of your argument is monetarily not correct but a lesson in accountancy here would be lengthly and boring. I do note that its a common left wing myth however. I've explained it more than once to lefties and they do usually get it. Eventually...once explained.

Second, you sound as if the money belonged to the government. No, the government confiscates that money from people. That may not be your misconception actually, but it sounds as if it is.

Third, in the People's Republic of California it's become common place for those lists of donors to be consumed by left wing activists who then go out and harass donors, getting them fired, protesting in front ofbtheir houses and businesses and generally using Gestopo tactics to make donations to causes opposed to them to scary. That, in my opinion, is a violation of people's rights. Either intentionally, by Ms Harris, or not.




KenDckey -> RE: Should a State AG be allowed to have donor lists? (5/16/2015 12:47:22 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

I have no problem with it - these are tax-exempt organizations and are therefor using tax payer money to support themselves. Where their money comes from and how they spend it should be a matter of public record. There are laws governing just how much of a charitable organizations income must be spent doing actual charitable work. Tax exempt status can be revoked for failure to comply.

To be clear, when an organization does not pay taxes on the money it receives, it costs tax payers that lost revenue. Tax exempt organizations cause the rest of us to pay more in taxes. Imagine how much lower your property tax bill would be if every church had to pay taxes based on the value of their land and buildings (like the rest of us do).



Isn't that like saying to the various food banks that they have to pay taxes on the food they give away?




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