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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/19/2015 10:00:33 AM   
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The lie is the point joether. The Benghazi attack wasnt ever started by a protest about a YouTube video, it was a planned terrorist attack from the very beginning. The video lie was Susan Rice, your government, your president, IS the leftist media, lying to you

That Barack doesnt understand or doesnt care that the constitution that he swore to defend includes a clause protecting free speech is another thread

That they found a way to remove the video and jail the artist, is another thread

If you need another clue check the thread headline


The problem you have Sanity is....YOU DONT HAVE ANY FUCKING EVIDENCE....

'Conspiracy rantings' is all you have. Most of them have been debunked. A Republican study on the issue found that everything was in order as far as Benghazi is concern. Yes, it sucks. People died. But there was no wrong doing on anyone's part that could have prevented or mitigated the series of events that unfolded.

President Obama understands the 1st amendment just as he understands the other twenty-six. He's a Constitutional Scholar! Maybe you should look up the guy's background sometime! I would bet money he could school your ass on US Constitutional law any day of the millennium!

You lied three times in your OP. I took you to task for them. That you can not even form an ounce of defense on any of them speaks much on your credibility. An you cant even take responsibility for it!

Here's a lie for you to 'chew on': Why did we not see one group of Republicans clawing over each other to attack President George W. Bush when seventeen 'Benghazi' attacks took place on his watch? Because we saw group after group after group of Republicans, claw, spit, attack, and rip apart to be the first to find evidence that the President or Hillary Clinton was 'in the wrong'. Yet, the history books didn't show one of these sort of events? Maybe it's because George W. Bush....WAS REPUBLICAN?

An that Republicans....ARE....hypocrites!





Hum, you mean Obama is a constitutional scholar that said, in public, 25 times that it would be illigal for him to change illigal immigration by Presidential fiat and then did it anyway?

He was right wasnt he?
Republicans dared him to do it, while they were in recess, then threatened to sue him, and its being held up in court, as "overstepping" his boundaries.
Coming from republicans who shut down the government over a hissy fit, and STILL wont do anything about it, because NOW its too close to 16 to jeopardise their seats..
Revisionist history, the only history the RW is interested in.




Or, perhaps, unlike you, the republicans realized that when they controlled both the house and the Senate by national acclaim, they'd prefer being statesmen instead of continuing petty you vs them arguments and they have plans to work to a resolution from a different angle.

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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/19/2015 10:02:24 AM   
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Of the 22 times (some of which have nothing to do with amnesty or exectuive orders or immigration law, I see no conflict in what he has done or said regarding this executive order regarding amnesty, nor any conflict with the law of the land regarding it.

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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/19/2015 10:56:42 PM   
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Of the 22 times (some of which have nothing to do with amnesty or exectuive orders or immigration law, I see no conflict in what he has done or said regarding this executive order regarding amnesty, nor any conflict with the law of the land regarding it.

Hmmm...you must be more of a constitutional scholar than he is because he said that he would go against the Constitution to implement amnesty.

"I taught constitutional law for ten years. I take the constitution very seriously. The biggest problem that we’re facing right now has to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all, and that’s what I intend to reverse when I’m president of the United States of America. (Sen. Obama at a Townhall in Lancaster, PA, March 31, 2008)

Obama ran for president promising secure borders, remove incentives for illegal immigration, and to allow undocumented immigrants who are in good standing to pay a fine, learn English, and go to the back of the line for the opportunity to become citizens.

President Obama promised to make immigration reform a top priority of the first year of his presidency. After Obama backed away from that promise, and it was clear his ObamaCrats were going to lose the House in the 2010 midterm elections, he gave illegal aliens a back door amnesty.

After the Republicans regained control of the House illegal aliens clamored for Obama to deliver on his promised immigration reform. At two separate forums President Obama explained that there are laws on the books that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system and that to ignore those congressional mandates would “not conform with my appropriate role as President.”

During a Univision Town Hall on March 28, 2011, President Obama said that as president he can’t just congressional mandate through executive order:

“Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.

With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed — and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

[bold]There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President."[/bold]

http://www.redstate.com/2014/08/03/obama-knows-admitted-cant-reform-immigration-without-congressional-action/

And then...he went ahead and disregarded laws already passed by Congress and signed by past Presidents and upheld by various Supreme Courts.

But...this all deflects from the topic of this thread...the Benghazi lie.


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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/20/2015 7:46:50 AM   
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All of that is lie and has been repeatedly debunked by me here. (e pluribus unum)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_4751388/mpage_1/key_arizona/tm.htm#4751583


And the Benghazi lie, so far, no lie. Not after 7 (coming up on 8) congressional investigations by rabid rightwing propagandists.

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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/20/2015 9:47:49 AM   
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So...he DIDNT say those things at a Lancaster Townhall or a Univision Townhall? In 2008 and 2011, respectively.

I guess that means that he didn't say this in 2011, either...

“MR. LERNER: Me again. On the DREAM Act that you mentioned before, and this is like a statement from New York City: Mr. President, I am an undocumented law graduate from New York City. I’m just writing to say that your message that you do not have a dance partner is not a message of hope. A real dancer goes out on the dance floor and picks out his or her dance partner. You’re just waiting. You have the facts, numbers, dollars and votes on the side of granting administrative relief for DREAMers. We are doing our part. It is time to do yours, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true.

Now, what we can do is to prioritize enforcement, since there are limited enforcement resources, and say we’re not going to go chasing after this young man or anybody else who’s been acting responsibly and would otherwise qualify for legal status if the DREAM Act passed.

But we live in a democracy. You have to pass bills through the legislature, and then I can sign it. And if all the attention is focused away from the legislative process, then that is going to lead to a constant dead-end. We have to recognize how the system works, and then apply pressure to those places where votes can be gotten and, ultimately, we can get this thing solved. And nobody will be a stronger advocate for making that happen than me.”

And the videos they have of him saying those things? They must all be doctored...Like the videos of the moon landings.

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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/20/2015 10:36:03 AM   
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To get back to Benghazi...

At the very time President Obama, then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and other top leaders were blaming spontaneous protests for the deadly Benghazi attack, the Defense Department broadly circulated a detailed intelligence report that said an al Qaeda-linked group planned the assault 10 days beforehand.

Its goal was to kill as many Americans as possible.

The Defense Intelligence Agency report is contained in a trove of previously classified documents that the government watchdog group Judicial Watch forced the Obama administration to release under court order.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/19/obama-hillary-clinton-benghazi-narrative-rebutted-/

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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/20/2015 10:38:37 AM   
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Doubtful since it came with no credible citations. Gotta love Sun Myung Moon and his catamites.

Dig up that now public DIA report and I will look it over, until then, most reasonable people will call asswipe.

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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/20/2015 10:46:35 AM   
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So...he DIDNT say those things at a Lancaster Townhall or a Univision Townhall? In 2008 and 2011, respectively.

I guess that means that he didn't say this in 2011, either...

“MR. LERNER: Me again. On the DREAM Act that you mentioned before, and this is like a statement from New York City: Mr. President, I am an undocumented law graduate from New York City. I’m just writing to say that your message that you do not have a dance partner is not a message of hope. A real dancer goes out on the dance floor and picks out his or her dance partner. You’re just waiting. You have the facts, numbers, dollars and votes on the side of granting administrative relief for DREAMers. We are doing our part. It is time to do yours, Mr. President.

THE PRESIDENT: I just have to continue to say this notion that somehow I can just change the laws unilaterally is just not true. We are doing everything we can administratively. But the fact of the matter is there are laws on the books that I have to enforce. And I think there’s been a great disservice done to the cause of getting the DREAM Act passed and getting comprehensive immigration passed by perpetrating the notion that somehow, by myself, I can go and do these things. It’s just not true.

Now, what we can do is to prioritize enforcement, since there are limited enforcement resources, and say we’re not going to go chasing after this young man or anybody else who’s been acting responsibly and would otherwise qualify for legal status if the DREAM Act passed.

But we live in a democracy. You have to pass bills through the legislature, and then I can sign it. And if all the attention is focused away from the legislative process, then that is going to lead to a constant dead-end. We have to recognize how the system works, and then apply pressure to those places where votes can be gotten and, ultimately, we can get this thing solved. And nobody will be a stronger advocate for making that happen than me.”

And the videos they have of him saying those things? They must all be doctored...Like the videos of the moon landings.



Oh, no he said those things and its true he cant. So he did so administratively within the law, as proscribed by that congress that passed the law, and dealt with about 1/4 of the problem thru executive order, as has been pointed out by cretins in other matters, Hillary can change that in 2017, but thats doubtful.

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RE: Repeating the Benghazi Lie, Still - 5/20/2015 2:01:38 PM   
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The lie is the point joether. The Benghazi attack wasnt ever started by a protest about a YouTube video, it was a planned terrorist attack from the very beginning. The video lie was Susan Rice, your government, your president, IS the leftist media, lying to you

That Barack doesnt understand or doesnt care that the constitution that he swore to defend includes a clause protecting free speech is another thread

That they found a way to remove the video and jail the artist, is another thread

If you need another clue check the thread headline

Of course the lie is that obama had anything to do with google taking it down, the actress did, sued them, won and now its been Overturned in appeal. Oh of course obama was right in the center of that singular conspiracy.sorry i forgot.
we must believe sanitys pov.

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