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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/22/2015 6:36:51 PM

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The Greeks called such forms of argument, sophistry. This all seems well below sophistry, so maybe we need a new term to describe it.

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/22/2015 6:48:17 PM

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But he is not being truthful. He said he doesn't even read what he denigrates or what he supposedly believes in. If it's 'liberal' according to his prejudices, he down-rates it. If it's conservative if even if he thinks he knows what that means, he doesn't care...he supports it.

His organizing the seeding of commentary on the Internet...with lies or at best, totally ignorant about which what he's trying to influence.

Trust me, in many things, on many issues, the Tparty...is not conservative.

Because one of them advocates borrowing strategies from "community organizers"?

I don't follow as it pertains to this thread.

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/22/2015 6:57:20 PM

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The Greeks called such forms of argument, sophistry. This all seems well below sophistry, so maybe we need a new term to describe it.

It was accurately described here

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/22/2015 6:58:07 PM

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Trust me, in many things, on many issues, the Tparty...is not conservative.

it helps to know too---there is no one monolithic "tea party."

but that said, im not aware that they aren't about anything that isn't smaller government, lower taxes and fiscal responsibility---hallmarks of conservative thinking.

exactly what "many things" and what "many issues" isnt the tea party conservative?

Well I've seen many at Tparty rallies and heard on the radio, that they believe I presume as you say but also hold up signs and say get govt. off their back but also say don't touch my medicare or soc. sec.

Plus starting Reagan, when asked how he could be a 'fiscal conservative' and finance a defense build-up with a tax cut. Many, trying to speak (for him and as a so-called conservative) said Reagan fell prey to Tip O'Neill begging for the maintenance of certain programs most importantly soc. sec. and save it. When in interviews in reply, O'Neil said congress never had a chance getting 80,000 telegrams a day telling them to give Reagan what he wanted.

Then Bush I extended the deficit spending, promising not to raise taxes. Bush II IF he was a fisc. consv. would not have gone through a surplus with two 'temporary' [sic] tax cuts to finance two wars. So the rhetoric doesn't fit the reality.

So, too the extent any of the repub candidates are campaigning on the same terms and are supported at all by ANY Tpartiers, they will not get true fiscal conservatives, only the rhetoric. Yet I fully expect them to support ANY repub likely other than Bush.

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/23/2015 1:46:46 AM

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the tea party, such that it is, started long after Reagan and bush senior, so im not seeing how anything you've said there really speaks to them.

bush the younger is not/was not wholly a fiscal conservative, and though I suppose fair minded economists might disagree on the efficacy of tax cuts and revenue, that also has nothing to do with the tea party.

again, their "platform" is smaller government, lower taxes already, and fiscal responsibility. you've not really said one thing in your post that necessarily contradicts that, especially when you mention defense, which is a hallmark for conservatism.

accepting some government isn't inconsistent with wanting smaller government. and of course people who are already in retirement or close to it don't want their social security taken away; that does not make them not fiscally conservative, it speaks to their present economic reality. same with medicare. but the tea party is also made up of people who would gladly reform social security and medicare.

and, "two" isn't "many things" or "many issues."

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/23/2015 6:45:39 AM

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Nor was St. Wrinklemeat, nor Sr. They were fiscal disasters.

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/23/2015 8:50:57 AM

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Certainly older citizens don't want their medicare or social security cut. After all, they paid into the funds their whole working life expecting a certain benefit at retirement age. And the system was originally set up as a fund separate from the general budget and designed to be self funding. At least until congress started to rape the funds for pork barrel projects.

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/24/2015 8:02:39 AM

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yeh but look at it from the brite side. when the highest court in government has gone south there is always prayer.

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/24/2015 8:19:25 AM

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99.9% of ALL price 'changes' are based upon and track with inflation. Except of course for the 'original value' of your savings in which you take as a loss for the gipper.

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/24/2015 8:44:28 AM

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And that becomes very clear when one considers the Obama quote, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”

Two points here. First, the source material is from the 2008 campaign. Second, it's a reference to The Untouchables and little beyond that besides cheerleading silliness.

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/24/2015 8:55:28 AM

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And that becomes very clear when one considers the Obama quote, “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,”

Two points here. First, the source material is from the 2008 campaign. Second, it's a reference to The Untouchables and little beyond that besides cheerleading silliness.

"As long as its one of us, its alright." Could you imagine if say, Sarah Palin said or did anything similar though

In the somber words of George Stephanopoulos' network, "Words carry real weight."

Always two standards

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RE: Those crazy lying propagandists. - 5/27/2015 1:53:22 PM

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I remember pictures of people in crosshairs all over her site. And she was certainly as stupid as any other rightwinger, so I wouldnt pick her out of that crowd, Tommie.

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