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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/22/2015 10:04:18 AM   
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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/22/2015 10:22:04 AM   
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As much as I wanted and still want Gitmo closed, I recognize that Barry O's (and Dana's [I'll take Arthell, by the way]) reason for not closing Gitmo might be valid.

That said, there's no way, in God's great creation that expanding the Patriot act the way Barry O did was called for. When he was elected, because we knew almost nothing about him, my first thought was: Maybe he'll surprise us and actually do some of the things he said he was going to do.

In the case of Gitmo and the Patriot Act, he didn't. Unfortunately, when it comes to a lot of other things, he did.

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I doubt his blind worshipers expected to be felching their messiah as he felched the Patriot Act

But leftist voters are not called useful idiots for naught


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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/22/2015 10:29:47 AM   
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Closure_Of_Guantanamo_Detention_Facilities


This is the legislation (stuffed inside a defense monies authorization which anyone would be reticent to veto) that forbid funding for the closure.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/h932
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/s218


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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/22/2015 11:07:07 AM   
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The felching was massively rightwing.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Closure_Of_Guantanamo_Detention_Facilities


This is the legislation (stuffed inside a defense monies authorization which anyone would be reticent to veto) that forbid funding for the closure.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/h932
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2011/s218



You dont understand the topic. Nothing you posted is relevant to Obama first campaigning against the Patriot Act, and then later feverishly felching the Patriot Act as his worshipers felch him

Guantanamo Bay is another topic entirely. Thats where Obama felches terrorists other than than his best felching buddy Bill Ayers



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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/22/2015 11:17:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		He didnt campaign against the patriot act, your felch is factless, as is the usual case. Not only do you not understand ANY topic, your imbecility and lying trolling is endlessly ignorant.


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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/22/2015 12:49:26 PM   
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A tiny few will do something while the majority do other stuff.

All the conservatives and especially the libertarians should be happy; they got what they want. Conservatives got a group of people that do nothing useful, so that fuels their outrage that we have bad government (and their the fools that voted for it). Libertarians got their 'Limited Government' since the current Congress has yet to do one useful thing beyond the requirements of office; very limited actions.

You want the Patriot Act removed until something bad happens. The 'powers that be' in the upper hierarchy of the GOP/TP will not remove the Patriot Act. All they have to do is manipulate their supporters on the notion that some evil entity is about to attack the United States (yesterday it was Al Qaeda, today its ISIS, tomorrow, who knows), and without those vital laws in place, America is a whole lot more unsafe. Then watch as conservatives and libertarians fall in line and support the Patriot Act.....

Its already a hell zone in the red states. Failing education systems, healthcare distributions, poor food quality controls, and their infrastructure is about to collapse out under them. Why would such places be on a terrorist's list of targets? If they had the choice of Bismarck, ND or New York, NY, which would they go for? Yet the manipulators will have conservatives and libertarians believing that the next spot to be hit is Bismarck. And only but supporting the Patriot Act, will disaster be averted.

Its Cheney's old thought process: We have this prisoner and he has information that a US City will be blown up by a nuclear weapon in the next five minutes; why wouldn't you torture him? Violate the 8th amendment even thought the likely hood of obtaining real actionable intelligence is totally remote, because the 'Ends justify the means'.

The 'Ends Justify the Means' allows someone to ignore the entirety of the US Constitution with flimsy excuses and crappy intelligence information. The Patriot Act was put into law at a time when Americans were fearful of another attack. The Bush administration did two things: A ) If you dont support the bill, and they hit us, it's your fault (no one wanted to be at fault)....and.....B ) "Your either with us or against us", meaning if your against the Patriot Act, your against America! Needlessly to say politicians were afraid of being seen as 'un-American' and went along with things. If any one President and Vice President should have been impeached in the last fifty years, it was George W. Bush and Dick Cheney (an throw Karl Rove to the wolves for good measure).


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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/23/2015 3:09:12 AM   
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Its already a hell zone in the red states. Failing education systems, healthcare distributions, poor food quality controls, and their infrastructure is about to collapse out under them...



right, blue states have all those problems licked.

being that all states are made up of people off all political persuasions, and that even "red states" have democrats and liberals in them as citizens, legislators and governors and large cities run by liberals, and that many things occur at the county level (which may be "blue") and that all of America is susceptible to the problems you just enumerating---do you actually believe in the drivel you write, or is it you are pathologically disposed to partisanship whenever you speak, no matter how inaccurate your statements are?

and how conveniently you ignore your messiah renewing the act, all the while you blame bush and cheney for its inception.

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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/23/2015 6:44:36 AM   
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seems like you are for a lot of shit, before you are against it....oh, and they are still here, wonder what the rightwing fucksticks are doing about it, why are they still here? Some for over 100 years, haven't the rightwing fucksticks got any skills, any ideas, any abilities?

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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/23/2015 7:59:19 AM   
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Its already a hell zone in the red states. Failing education systems, healthcare distributions, poor food quality controls, and their infrastructure is about to collapse out under them...



right, blue states have all those problems licked.

being that all states are made up of people off all political persuasions, and that even "red states" have democrats and liberals in them as citizens, legislators and governors and large cities run by liberals, and that many things occur at the county level (which may be "blue") and that all of America is susceptible to the problems you just enumerating---do you actually believe in the drivel you write, or is it you are pathologically disposed to partisanship whenever you speak, no matter how inaccurate your statements are?

and how conveniently you ignore your messiah renewing the act, all the while you blame bush and cheney for its inception.


Poor food quality controls? What? Somehow the food in red states is unsafe?

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RE: Who Remembers The Patriot Act - 5/23/2015 8:13:11 AM   
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