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mnottertail -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/22/2015 2:25:54 PM)
Well, as pointed out, she was wrong. Time as we understand it, does not flow from present to past. Al Einstein.

CreativeDominant -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/22/2015 3:03:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Time to be honest and take more heat being accused as a racists with my personal opinion... well... if you have racist opinions that may happen... Are these racist opinions? “Hustlers and people with little understanding want us to believe that today’s black problems are the continuing result of a legacy of slavery, poverty and racial discrimination. The fact is that most of the social pathology seen in poor black neighborhoods is entirely new in black history." “Today’s black illegitimacy rate of nearly 75 percent is also entirely new. In 1940, black illegitimacy stood at 14 percent." “Much of today’s pathology seen among many blacks is an outgrowth of the welfare state that has made self-destructive behavior less costly for the individual. Having children without the benefit of marriage is less burdensome if the mother receives housing subsidies, welfare payments and food stamps. Plus, the social stigma associated with unwed motherhood has vanished. Female-headed households, whether black or white, are a ticket for dependency and all of its associated problems." actually yes... at least for the first two the third is just political and religious rant... they imply there is something different between white and black people that causes this degradation of the second group's life quality, that for some reasons this is not evidence for a lack of equal opportunities but that the colour of the skin has effects on some other aspects of a persona, and this is by definition racism. Maybe you and him are not even aware of being racist but you are. By the way weren't jim crow's laws in place after the 1940? So the second opinion contradicts the first one. That's really interesting that you'd feel that way. Let's see if you feel the same once you see the author and read the whole article. http://allenbwest.com/2015/05/shocking-statistics-about-black-slavery-liberals-will-never-admit/

eulero83 -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/22/2015 3:46:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant quote: ORIGINAL: eulero83 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub Time to be honest and take more heat being accused as a racists with my personal opinion... well... if you have racist opinions that may happen... Are these racist opinions? “Hustlers and people with little understanding want us to believe that today’s black problems are the continuing result of a legacy of slavery, poverty and racial discrimination. The fact is that most of the social pathology seen in poor black neighborhoods is entirely new in black history." “Today’s black illegitimacy rate of nearly 75 percent is also entirely new. In 1940, black illegitimacy stood at 14 percent." “Much of today’s pathology seen among many blacks is an outgrowth of the welfare state that has made self-destructive behavior less costly for the individual. Having children without the benefit of marriage is less burdensome if the mother receives housing subsidies, welfare payments and food stamps. Plus, the social stigma associated with unwed motherhood has vanished. Female-headed households, whether black or white, are a ticket for dependency and all of its associated problems." actually yes... at least for the first two the third is just political and religious rant... they imply there is something different between white and black people that causes this degradation of the second group's life quality, that for some reasons this is not evidence for a lack of equal opportunities but that the colour of the skin has effects on some other aspects of a persona, and this is by definition racism. Maybe you and him are not even aware of being racist but you are. By the way weren't jim crow's laws in place after the 1940? So the second opinion contradicts the first one. That's really interesting that you'd feel that way. Let's see if you feel the same once you see the author and read the whole article. http://allenbwest.com/2015/05/shocking-statistics-about-black-slavery-liberals-will-never-admit/ I'll read later it's late for me, but I think we have the proof even blacks can be racists

kdsub -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/22/2015 3:57:24 PM)
So let me understand your view... you do think the bikers were given better treatment because most were white despite the deaths, arrests, and million dollar bonds? And you think this way of thinking is not racists?... And you also believe because I commented on these remarks finding them not helpful... I am racist... You also believe because I pointed out the slaughter of blacks by blacks...this makes me racists. Because I believe whites have a hard time seeing the racism blacks refer to and want to be shown...I am racists. Then yes my dear I am a flaming asshole racists then. Butch

vintagedoll -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/22/2015 4:29:08 PM)
Speaking from personal experience as the biker world as how I got my introduction to the bdsm, I would have to say that this was a big NO as to the idealism of this being different if the groups concerned where only black members. The way law enforcement treated this would be the same if they were on paper due to having obtained a concealed carry permit in the State of Texas. There are support groups that consist of all black members that support that 1% groups. There are also melting pot groups that do the same. One of these groups that is an all black club that supports a 1% group that was involved in Waco. All of these comes down to territory and the control their of by the 1% at all costs. I could see the allure and the sense of belonging to a group i.e. brotherhood or family having to do with the environment in which these men grew up or wanting the power that comes with the association of the patch not the idealism of slavery or it being a race issue at all as far as punishment under RICO Act one could actually say that could happen to any group no matter what race and if they had a concealed carry permit alluding to probable cause as a shooter. Law enforcement set the million dollar bonds based on this aspect whether or not the bikers had a concealed carry permit that was easy to trace in the system. The punishment in my opinion would have been the same outcome and race had nothing to do with it.

BamaD -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/22/2015 5:31:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vintagedoll Speaking from personal experience as the biker world as how I got my introduction to the bdsm, I would have to say that this was a big NO as to the idealism of this being different if the groups concerned where only black members. The way law enforcement treated this would be the same if they were on paper due to having obtained a concealed carry permit in the State of Texas. There are support groups that consist of all black members that support that 1% groups. There are also melting pot groups that do the same. One of these groups that is an all black club that supports a 1% group that was involved in Waco. All of these comes down to territory and the control their of by the 1% at all costs. I could see the allure and the sense of belonging to a group i.e. brotherhood or family having to do with the environment in which these men grew up or wanting the power that comes with the association of the patch not the idealism of slavery or it being a race issue at all as far as punishment under RICO Act one could actually say that could happen to any group no matter what race and if they had a concealed carry permit alluding to probable cause as a shooter. Law enforcement set the million dollar bonds based on this aspect whether or not the bikers had a concealed carry permit that was easy to trace in the system. The punishment in my opinion would have been the same outcome and race had nothing to do with it. I don't think it would have been handled differently, but I don think it would have been covered different.

vintagedoll -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/22/2015 6:01:28 PM)
I am not so sure about that as to covered differently unless the media wanted to make a clear statement of agenda.. The truth is things like this go on everyday out of the public eye and locally in many cities. You never hear about them until it is out in the open for all to see. This type of activity is not just strictly limited to bikers yet mafia and other organized crime groups such as Bloods, Latin Kings, Asian Gangs, and the many global organized crimes entities that exist. As far as this as a point of reference not sure it would have been any different in the media unless the political machine was trying to make a point.

BamaD -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/22/2015 6:22:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vintagedoll I am not so sure about that as to covered differently unless the media wanted to make a clear statement of agenda.. The truth is things like this go on everyday out of the public eye and locally in many cities. You never hear about them until it is out in the open for all to see. This type of activity is not just strictly limited to bikers yet mafia and other organized crime groups such as Bloods, Latin Kings, Asian Gangs, and the many global organized crimes entities that exist. As far as this as a point of reference not sure it would have been any different in the media unless the political machine was trying to make a point. Four or five black guys shot by the police. We would have wall to wall coverage about how the bikers were trying to surrender and how they had been harassed by the cops for years. And God help us if one of the dead had ever taken a college course or were cute when 12.

tweakabelle -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/23/2015 12:56:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Four or five black guys shot by the police. We would have wall to wall coverage about how the bikers were trying to surrender and how they had been harassed by the cops for years. And God help us if one of the dead had ever taken a college course or were cute when 12. I am impressed by how you manage to convey a very real palpable sense of being ripped off and personally disempowered, and the acrid bitterness that characterises some individual's reactions to disempowerment/loss of privilege, while writing about a totally imaginary event. Rightly or wrongly I have the sense that this could be a simile that applies equally some of the other obsessions in your life.

BamaD -> RE: Would the Waco incident be different if the bikers were black (5/23/2015 9:30:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Four or five black guys shot by the police. We would have wall to wall coverage about how the bikers were trying to surrender and how they had been harassed by the cops for years. And God help us if one of the dead had ever taken a college course or were cute when 12. I am impressed by how you manage to convey a very real palpable sense of being ripped off and personally disempowered, and the acrid bitterness that characterises some individual's reactions to disempowerment/loss of privilege, while writing about a totally imaginary event. Rightly or wrongly I have the sense that this could be a simile that applies equally some of the other obsessions in your life. Strange how you determine that "good morning" would show a flaw in my character. And how you can see personal disempowerment in my applying normal coverage to this situation. But what can I expect, you keep your head buried deeply in the sand.

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