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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 2:49:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		megyn Kelly did an excellent job interviewing the parents and the girls. and its pretty heartening to listen to them.

whoever let the report, which was supposed to be completely sealed given the age of all the people involved, go public, is despicable.

and not too far behind that person are the whack jobs who believe that politicians having their photo taken with josh duggar someone damages them.

and then the people who criticize others for forgiving him, as if forgiveness is a crime. never minding that we are all in need of it, no matter how badly we have acted.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 2:54:52 PM   
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there are other sources linked, anyway I feel sorry for their kids.


I heard an interview with the kids yesterday. They say it would not be their first choice to discuss these things publicly. Yet, I can't help believe if they were from a prominent liberal family names would not have been mentioned in order to protect the kids. In the interview two of the girls spoke and were both agreed that the way this is being reported is much more detrimental than anything else because, as they said, most stuff being reported is false.


Well, yeah. But they are Duggers and so it is okay to re-traumatize them. Their family is a bunch of right wing freaks, ya know.


I suppose you were sarcastic but that's actually an accurate description.

That's still on the parents, they decided the family would become public figures, and probably making them damage control for their molester. What I'm saying is if you train your children like dogs in a misogenistic enviroment that's what happens. By the way I would not be so sure the first trauma is really over.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 2:57:57 PM   
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megyn Kelly did an excellent job interviewing the parents and the girls. and its pretty heartening to listen to them.

whoever let the report, which was supposed to be completely sealed given the age of all the people involved, go public, is despicable.

and not too far behind that person are the whack jobs who believe that politicians having their photo taken with josh duggar someone damages them.

and then the people who criticize others for forgiving him, as if forgiveness is a crime. never minding that we are all in need of it, no matter how badly we have acted.



But ... But ... But forgiveness isn't a crime ... if you're name is Clinton or Sharpton or Jackson or Williams or Stafanopoulos or ...



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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 3:05:53 PM   
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and then the people who criticize others for forgiving him, as if forgiveness is a crime. never minding that we are all in need of it, no matter how badly we have acted.



And what if they didn't forgive him? what would have happened then? Let alone their parents admit to use violence to train their children to obbedience and subjogation in order for them to be quite and never question authority and this for sure doesn't help them to self determinate, but all the adult figures around them agreed in covering that up, included a police officer (that by the way turned out to be a pedophile), on top of that they do not go to school (where they could have told a teacher) and are not allowed to see persons not apporved by the parents so really what choice did they have other than forgive (read suck it up)?

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 4:17:12 PM   
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and then the people who criticize others for forgiving him, as if forgiveness is a crime. never minding that we are all in need of it, no matter how badly we have acted.



And what if they didn't forgive him? what would have happened then? Let alone their parents admit to use violence to train their children to obbedience and subjogation in order for them to be quite and never question authority and this for sure doesn't help them to self determinate, but all the adult figures around them agreed in covering that up, included a police officer (that by the way turned out to be a pedophile), on top of that they do not go to school (where they could have told a teacher) and are not allowed to see persons not apporved by the parents so really what choice did they have other than forgive (read suck it up)?


Then there would have been hardness and bitterness in their hearts and their relationship with their brother would have been forever damaged.

Beats me how “let alone…” follows your opening sentence.

In any event---some people might consider spanking (if that is what you are referring to) as violence. Others don’t. as that is very unlikely new to you, why do you even bring it up?

And children don’t get spanked in order to be quiet, or never question authority. They get spanked when they are dangerously rebellious and need corrective discipline. if you want to complain about it, maybe first ask grown-ups who were spanked as kids how that effected them.

If you paid any attention at all to the interviews with the family, or the children, you wouldn’t be saying that everyone agreed to a “cover-up.” I’ll give you benefit of the doubt here and trust that you havent.

Last thing---all you just said there at the end has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not forgiveness is given. Forgiveness is a condition of the heart towards another person who has wronged you and is completely independent of external circumstances.


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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 4:21:03 PM   
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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 8:28:23 PM   
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there are other sources linked, anyway I feel sorry for their kids.


I heard an interview with the kids yesterday. They say it would not be their first choice to discuss these things publicly. Yet, I can't help believe if they were from a prominent liberal family names would not have been mentioned in order to protect the kids. In the interview two of the girls spoke and were both agreed that the way this is being reported is much more detrimental than anything else because, as they said, most stuff being reported is false.


Well, yeah. But they are Duggers and so it is okay to re-traumatize them. Their family is a bunch of right wing freaks, ya know.


I suppose you were sarcastic but that's actually an accurate description.

That's still on the parents, they decided the family would become public figures, and probably making them damage control for their molester. What I'm saying is if you train your children like dogs in a misogenistic enviroment that's what happens. By the way I would not be so sure the first trauma is really over.


Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 8:37:38 PM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


Only monsters are tolerant of molesters.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 9:47:48 PM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


Only monsters are tolerant of molesters.

So what do you call those Hollywood lefties that want to bring back Roman Polanski? Like Martin Scorsese? Woody Allen? (of course, that's a case of pot...kettle). Debra Winger? Adrien Brody? Sigourney Weaver?

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 11:29:13 PM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


Only monsters are tolerant of molesters.



So. . . all of those that still like Lena Dunham?

Of course you seem to miss my concern for the young ladies being re-traumatized. Like I said, that seems to be okay, cause ya know, they are freakish and all.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/7/2015 11:40:00 PM   
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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 4:47:07 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


Only monsters are tolerant of molesters.



exactly who anywhere has "tolerated" the molester or the molestation?

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 5:49:58 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


of course I hate them! they beat children into making them brainwashed robots! I don't understant what kind of person are you for tolerate this!

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 7:58:42 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


of course I hate them! they beat children into making them brainwashed robots! I don't understant what kind of person are you for tolerate this!


So. . . hate and intolerance is okay if they don't agree with your worldview. Nice to know.


BTW spanking does not equal beating and does not equal brainwashing. Stop throwing around terms you do not understand.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 8:15:12 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


of course I hate them! they beat children into making them brainwashed robots! I don't understant what kind of person are you for tolerate this!


So. . . hate and intolerance is okay if they don't agree with your worldview. Nice to know.


BTW spanking does not equal beating and does not equal brainwashing. Stop throwing around terms you do not understand.


I was talking about the "blaket training" and if their worldview means violence to childern it's my duty to not tollerate that, it is right and fair, I'm more puzzled about you tolleratng it because they support the same political side you support.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 8:24:05 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


of course I hate them! they beat children into making them brainwashed robots! I don't understant what kind of person are you for tolerate this!


So. . . hate and intolerance is okay if they don't agree with your worldview. Nice to know.


BTW spanking does not equal beating and does not equal brainwashing. Stop throwing around terms you do not understand.


I was talking about the "blaket training" and if their worldview means violence to childern it's my duty to not tollerate that, it is right and fair, I'm more puzzled about you tolleratng it because they support the same political side you support.


Oh my f-ing GAWD!!!! The mom sits next to her child and tells them they are going to be quiet and still! HORRIBLE!!!!! Call CPS really quickly.

Call them on me as well because I tell my toddler that we are going to have quiet time also.

Being quiet does not equal violence.

By the by, the Duggers did NOT practice the "Blaket training" you are talking about, hater.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 8:24:51 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


of course I hate them! they beat children into making them brainwashed robots! I don't understant what kind of person are you for tolerate this!


So. . . hate and intolerance is okay if they don't agree with your worldview. Nice to know.


BTW spanking does not equal beating and does not equal brainwashing. Stop throwing around terms you do not understand.


I was talking about the "blaket training" and if their worldview means violence to childern it's my duty to not tollerate that, it is right and fair, I'm more puzzled about you tolleratng it because they support the same political side you support.


At last! A lefty finally admitted it was his duty to hate. All that has to be done is to codify what is politically correct and what is not. The first honest lefty.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 8:36:24 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


of course I hate them! they beat children into making them brainwashed robots! I don't understant what kind of person are you for tolerate this!


So. . . hate and intolerance is okay if they don't agree with your worldview. Nice to know.


BTW spanking does not equal beating and does not equal brainwashing. Stop throwing around terms you do not understand.


I was talking about the "blaket training" and if their worldview means violence to childern it's my duty to not tollerate that, it is right and fair, I'm more puzzled about you tolleratng it because they support the same political side you support.


At last! A lefty finally admitted it was his duty to hate. All that has to be done is to codify what is politically correct and what is not. The first honest lefty.


She wanted a kid to be quiet! That is awful and deserving of hate!

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 8:56:02 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


of course I hate them! they beat children into making them brainwashed robots! I don't understant what kind of person are you for tolerate this!


So. . . hate and intolerance is okay if they don't agree with your worldview. Nice to know.


BTW spanking does not equal beating and does not equal brainwashing. Stop throwing around terms you do not understand.


I was talking about the "blaket training" and if their worldview means violence to childern it's my duty to not tollerate that, it is right and fair, I'm more puzzled about you tolleratng it because they support the same political side you support.


At last! A lefty finally admitted it was his duty to hate. All that has to be done is to codify what is politically correct and what is not. The first honest lefty.


She wanted a kid to be quiet! That is awful and deserving of hate!


Oh get a grip. She was a woman who decided to raise her own child. She is to be despised anyway. What's a little added hate to go on top of that?

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RE: rightwing family values. - 6/8/2015 10:53:26 AM   
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Wow. The hate is strong with you. Or as I like to call it: Flaming rage nozzle of tolerance.


of course I hate them! they beat children into making them brainwashed robots! I don't understant what kind of person are you for tolerate this!


So. . . hate and intolerance is okay if they don't agree with your worldview. Nice to know.


BTW spanking does not equal beating and does not equal brainwashing. Stop throwing around terms you do not understand.


I was talking about the "blaket training" and if their worldview means violence to childern it's my duty to not tollerate that, it is right and fair, I'm more puzzled about you tolleratng it because they support the same political side you support.

Serious case of projection.

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