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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 7:21:48 PM   
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Bullshit. There simply is no comparison and it getting tiresome to even read this crap.


I see how you are. Like a lot of other "liberals" on here

The crimes were indeed somewhat similar. One committed his crimes as a juvenile, long ago, though. hmmm he was 14-15, (well that hes confessed to)that takes us back to ooh look at that....2000


The other as an adult, and more recently. But thats not why you claim there is no comparison. Your only real criteria is party affiliation. 1998, is more recent than 2000?


Bill Clinton, Terrence Bean, it is literally impossible that they could have done anything wrong, because theyre Democrats. No one has said anything of the kind, they have however pointed out the FACTS.

Duggar, however, has been seen in the company of "family values" Republicans. Therefore they are all worse than Hitler or Manson

No, he is on a tv show with his 18 and counting siblings proudly spouting God and family values, he is or rather was the head of the political arm of the family research center, who focus on hate and bullshit about gays being molesters. and a zillion other ugliness against LGBT gay marriage but yes other republican "values"

His siblings were molested by him...the youngest a four year old, he has confessed and "apologised", The parents took him to a cop...the cop covered it up..(cops in jail for child porn)..daddy took him back into the house.... Of course I could add more facts

I know the rest of the republicans have been quiet about this, but huckabee who is a presidential candidate, wants kiddy fiddler forgiven, because he humbled himself before god.



No trial necessary (none likely either....and no justice to the siblings and other lil girls.)




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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 7:22:34 PM   
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Really, there is no comparison between a child acting out sexually, and a grown man having sexual relations with a minor.

Actually...according to her book...Lena's explorations continued beyond the childhood age. I am going to assume you place adulthood at age 13 or 14 since that's the age Duggar was when he committed his crimes.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 7:23:39 PM   
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This is a very strange one.

Eons ago I was banging this gal out that was slightly under voting age. She worked at a diner and a sheriff had a hard-on for her that would not quit. One day I bump into him and he then begins reading me the riot act about underage girls, jail, blah blah blah... red face hatred with a dash of belligerence and escalating until he asked for my ID before he cuffed me, booked me, and sent me to prison. It took a strange turn when I told him I was a few years from driving age and more from voting age.

The point of this is, we are looking at what this appears to be. A grown ass man on reality tv molesting kids. The details we are not getting is he was a teenager... does that mean 19, 18, 13 or some place in between?

Since this is all about minors we are going to hear nothing but sensationalism because the truth is barred from the public. There may be enough stink stirred to get it into trial, but even then we are only going to hear a verdict, no details.
He was 14 when did this.



So is this like a Lena Dunham-ish sort of thing, then?
Why yes...yes, it is.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 7:58:56 PM   
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Bill Clinton, Terrence Bean, it is literally impossible that they could have done anything wrong, because theyre Democrats. No one has said anything of the kind, they have however pointed out the FACTS.


MrRogers did indeed, when he wrote that theres no comparison though (as jvov pointed out) the adult offender (Obamas "Human Rights" buddy) is arguably much worse

But you would have to take your partisan blinders off to see that

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A prominent supporter of President Barack Obama and co-founder of the Human Rights Campaign was arrested last week on charges of sodomy and sexual abuse related to what authorities said was an encounter with a juvenile male.

Terrence Bean, 66, a major Democratic donor and a celebrated gay-rights activist, was indicted on two felony charges of sodomy and a misdemeanor count of sexual abuse by a grand jury and arrested in Oregon Wednesday, according to a statement from the Portland Police Bureau. Bean was released later that day on bail, pending a court hearing...


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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 8:08:46 PM   
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he didnt mention the dems or reps...you must be reading something different.
but hey continue changing goalposts and ignoring the rest of my responses to your post.
havent you got your spin and deflect memo yet?
I'll wait for you to catch up...

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 8:19:04 PM   
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he didnt mention the dems or reps...you must be reading something different.
but hey continue changing goalposts and ignoring the rest of my responses to your post.
havent you got your spin and deflect memo yet?
I'll wait for you to catch up...


He didnt need to mention it, he clearly holds the view that his heroes can do no wrong

The rest of your post lacks gravitas, or you are bloviating about things that have been previously discussed. Its not nearly the brilliant prose that you think it is

Not going to try to "catch up" with someone running in circles

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 8:34:02 PM   
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didnt think you would have the guts to respond with anything but deflection...
The wait was worth it.the result, perfect.



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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 8:54:55 PM   
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Really, there is no comparison between a child acting out sexually, and a grown man having sexual relations with a minor.


I am pretty sure that the Duggar's are not Jewish, so he would not have been considered "a grown man." He was 14 years old. That makes him a minor himself. Just like Dunham.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 8:56:05 PM   
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didnt think you would have the guts to respond with anything but deflection...
The wait was worth it.the result, perfect.




There you go

Congratulate yourself on your glorious keyboard warrior victory

What did you win

Maybe you should promote yourself

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 9:51:30 PM   
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I am pretty sure that the Duggar's are not Jewish, so he would not have been considered "a grown man." He was 14 years old. That makes him a minor himself. Just like Dunham.


Being an adult Jew at 12 for females and 13 for males is solely in terms of your ability to participate in religious ceremonies. Such as making ten for a minyan, a prayer service, or being able to say the prayer for the dead. It does not apply to anything else.


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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 10:37:15 PM   
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This is a very strange one.

Eons ago I was banging this gal out that was slightly under voting age. She worked at a diner and a sheriff had a hard-on for her that would not quit. One day I bump into him and he then begins reading me the riot act about underage girls, jail, blah blah blah... red face hatred with a dash of belligerence and escalating until he asked for my ID before he cuffed me, booked me, and sent me to prison. It took a strange turn when I told him I was a few years from driving age and more from voting age.

The point of this is, we are looking at what this appears to be. A grown ass man on reality tv molesting kids. The details we are not getting is he was a teenager... does that mean 19, 18, 13 or some place in between?

Since this is all about minors we are going to hear nothing but sensationalism because the truth is barred from the public. There may be enough stink stirred to get it into trial, but even then we are only going to hear a verdict, no details.


he was 14 and 15 and I get it, anyway at that age I was aware it was not good to use a girl as a toy for masturbating in her sleep, let alone a 9 years old sister, but I am also aware he grew up in a disfunctional family, not because it was large but for the homeschooling (no wonder he started experimentating sexuality on his sisters as they were his only classmates), the rigid religious education and male chauvinist gender roles example. I really don't know if there can be something more as he's not in the juvenile system because his father was friend of a cop that later turned out to be pedophyle. I feel sorry for the girls that at some point they were forced to suck it up becuase it had to stay in the family (I suppose that's what happens normally in this cases but it's sick anyway). Cherry on top of the shit I can't feel sorry for him now as he used many times the argument that gay people are not fit for parenting as children would be molested in such families, it seems that's more true for fundamentalist evangelical.

edit: aside from that I really don't care about which politician took pictures with him

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/23/2015 11:24:42 PM   
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Really, there is no comparison between a child acting out sexually, and a grown man having sexual relations with a minor.


I am pretty sure that the Duggar's are not Jewish, so he would not have been considered "a grown man." He was 14 years old. That makes him a minor himself. Just like Dunham.


It may be subtle, but by "grown man", I'm referring to a "man" that has completed the physical development commonly referred to as "growing". In most cases, this would not apply to a 14 year old.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/24/2015 3:41:00 AM   
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He was 14 when did this.


Then...he was a child. I'm sorry, what is this thread about? Is this about labels on families who do not vote certain way or raise their children a certain way or about children making mistakes? I agree, children make mistakes. Mine do. What about yours? But do we hold them accountable many years later? Do we hold them up as an example of a label we made up and don't fully understand?

Hmmm...look at that blue eyed baby, blonde hair, I bet she is a right wing baby, and that black one over there, that two year old something, a boy I bet, I think he is right wing too because his mother is well dressed and obviously well educated.


the thread is about the OP hating republicans, conservatives and Christians so much that partisan mud-slinging supplants rational thought as a way of life.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/24/2015 9:06:21 AM   
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~FR

This is a very strange one.

Eons ago I was banging this gal out that was slightly under voting age. She worked at a diner and a sheriff had a hard-on for her that would not quit. One day I bump into him and he then begins reading me the riot act about underage girls, jail, blah blah blah... red face hatred with a dash of belligerence and escalating until he asked for my ID before he cuffed me, booked me, and sent me to prison. It took a strange turn when I told him I was a few years from driving age and more from voting age.

The point of this is, we are looking at what this appears to be. A grown ass man on reality tv molesting kids. The details we are not getting is he was a teenager... does that mean 19, 18, 13 or some place in between?

Since this is all about minors we are going to hear nothing but sensationalism because the truth is barred from the public. There may be enough stink stirred to get it into trial, but even then we are only going to hear a verdict, no details.


he was 14 and 15 and I get it, anyway at that age I was aware it was not good to use a girl as a toy for masturbating in her sleep, let alone a 9 years old sister, but I am also aware he grew up in a disfunctional family, not because it was large but for the homeschooling (no wonder he started experimentating sexuality on his sisters as they were his only classmates), the rigid religious education and male chauvinist gender roles example. I really don't know if there can be something more as he's not in the juvenile system because his father was friend of a cop that later turned out to be pedophyle. I feel sorry for the girls that at some point they were forced to suck it up becuase it had to stay in the family (I suppose that's what happens normally in this cases but it's sick anyway). Cherry on top of the shit I can't feel sorry for him now as he used many times the argument that gay people are not fit for parenting as children would be molested in such families, it seems that's more true for fundamentalist evangelical.

edit: aside from that I really don't care about which politician took pictures with him



You do you have any links to the ol rape your sister because you were home schooled or are you just a closed minded biget projecting?

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/24/2015 10:26:50 AM   
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I am pretty sure that the Duggar's are not Jewish, so he would not have been considered "a grown man." He was 14 years old. That makes him a minor himself. Just like Dunham.


Being an adult Jew at 12 for females and 13 for males is solely in terms of your ability to participate in religious ceremonies. Such as making ten for a minyan, a prayer service, or being able to say the prayer for the dead. It does not apply to anything else.



I realize this. It was just the only thing I could come up with that would make a 14 year old a "grown man."

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/24/2015 10:37:57 AM   
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~FR

This is a very strange one.

Eons ago I was banging this gal out that was slightly under voting age. She worked at a diner and a sheriff had a hard-on for her that would not quit. One day I bump into him and he then begins reading me the riot act about underage girls, jail, blah blah blah... red face hatred with a dash of belligerence and escalating until he asked for my ID before he cuffed me, booked me, and sent me to prison. It took a strange turn when I told him I was a few years from driving age and more from voting age.

The point of this is, we are looking at what this appears to be. A grown ass man on reality tv molesting kids. The details we are not getting is he was a teenager... does that mean 19, 18, 13 or some place in between?

Since this is all about minors we are going to hear nothing but sensationalism because the truth is barred from the public. There may be enough stink stirred to get it into trial, but even then we are only going to hear a verdict, no details.


he was 14 and 15 and I get it, anyway at that age I was aware it was not good to use a girl as a toy for masturbating in her sleep, let alone a 9 years old sister, but I am also aware he grew up in a disfunctional family, not because it was large but for the homeschooling (no wonder he started experimentating sexuality on his sisters as they were his only classmates), the rigid religious education and male chauvinist gender roles example. I really don't know if there can be something more as he's not in the juvenile system because his father was friend of a cop that later turned out to be pedophyle. I feel sorry for the girls that at some point they were forced to suck it up becuase it had to stay in the family (I suppose that's what happens normally in this cases but it's sick anyway). Cherry on top of the shit I can't feel sorry for him now as he used many times the argument that gay people are not fit for parenting as children would be molested in such families, it seems that's more true for fundamentalist evangelical.

edit: aside from that I really don't care about which politician took pictures with him



You do you have any links to the ol rape your sister because you were home schooled or are you just a closed minded biget projecting?


What about the whole, "male chauvinist gender roles," and the idea that experimenting sexually on your classmates in public schools is better? (Although it is likely to be a teacher.)

And how come it was okay for Lena Dunham to do this with her sister and this person is evil incarnate for it? Or is it just because he is male?


But hey, since we are now charging 6 year olds with felony sexual assault for playing doctor and suspending them from school for a peck on the hand. . . it makes sense, right?

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/24/2015 11:15:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aylee


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~FR

This is a very strange one.

Eons ago I was banging this gal out that was slightly under voting age. She worked at a diner and a sheriff had a hard-on for her that would not quit. One day I bump into him and he then begins reading me the riot act about underage girls, jail, blah blah blah... red face hatred with a dash of belligerence and escalating until he asked for my ID before he cuffed me, booked me, and sent me to prison. It took a strange turn when I told him I was a few years from driving age and more from voting age.

The point of this is, we are looking at what this appears to be. A grown ass man on reality tv molesting kids. The details we are not getting is he was a teenager... does that mean 19, 18, 13 or some place in between?

Since this is all about minors we are going to hear nothing but sensationalism because the truth is barred from the public. There may be enough stink stirred to get it into trial, but even then we are only going to hear a verdict, no details.


he was 14 and 15 and I get it, anyway at that age I was aware it was not good to use a girl as a toy for masturbating in her sleep, let alone a 9 years old sister, but I am also aware he grew up in a disfunctional family, not because it was large but for the homeschooling (no wonder he started experimentating sexuality on his sisters as they were his only classmates), the rigid religious education and male chauvinist gender roles example. I really don't know if there can be something more as he's not in the juvenile system because his father was friend of a cop that later turned out to be pedophyle. I feel sorry for the girls that at some point they were forced to suck it up becuase it had to stay in the family (I suppose that's what happens normally in this cases but it's sick anyway). Cherry on top of the shit I can't feel sorry for him now as he used many times the argument that gay people are not fit for parenting as children would be molested in such families, it seems that's more true for fundamentalist evangelical.

edit: aside from that I really don't care about which politician took pictures with him



You do you have any links to the ol rape your sister because you were home schooled or are you just a closed minded biget projecting?


What about the whole, "male chauvinist gender roles," and the idea that experimenting sexually on your classmates in public schools is better? (Although it is likely to be a teacher.)

And how come it was okay for Lena Dunham to do this with her sister and this person is evil incarnate for it? Or is it just because he is male?


But hey, since we are now charging 6 year olds with felony sexual assault for playing doctor and suspending them from school for a peck on the hand. . . it makes sense, right?
Lena Dunham gets away with it because:

a. She is a leftist

b. She is lesbian

c. She is an activist for LGBT causes

d. She's been/is an HBO darling

e. She's female

f. She's atheist

Except that Duggar is an activist...he's none of the above

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/24/2015 3:22:51 PM   
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You do you have any links to the ol rape your sister because you were home schooled or are you just a closed minded biget projecting?


sorry I was probably unclear: homeschooling in my opinion is neglecting a child by definition period, so I'm not surprised he had disfunctional behaviours growing up, not every homeschooled person will turn out with psychologycal problems but for sure those that don't must be given credits.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/24/2015 3:57:38 PM   
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on the contrary---homeschool children typically turn out better adjusted, better prepared and often more successful in the next step of their lives (college) than their age related public school peers.

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RE: rightwing family values. - 5/24/2015 4:36:09 PM   
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on the contrary---homeschool children typically turn out better adjusted, better prepared and often more successful in the next step of their lives (college) than their age related public school peers.


Cult programing notwithstanding, of course.

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